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[VP Baltar]

I mean, the sad thing is my gut thinks pooky could be this dumb as town. I really had no read on him when he challenged. And now my entire ability to read him has been colored.

[Gamma Emerald]

just lim me and town block pooky/noraa
everything will be fine >;)

[notscience]

I think you’ve burned all my trust between you and Noraa

[SirCakez]

not seeing a reason to move my gamma vote here

[Starbuck]

Sup guys? I am here and apologize for not being here sooner, but was visiting with a friend who is being deported in the next few days and that just was the priority last night.

I'm gonna read and come back with some thoughts after I get through some work at my office today.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you’ve burned all my trust between you and Noraa

D:<
I'm trying to improve there.

[Noraa]

The townblock is a scary thing to those not willing or ready.
Kill me or not, whatever you do, keep Pooky and Noraa alive.

It looks like “I know you’re town but need to justify my vote here with moral outrage”

But it also looks like “this guys head is full of stuffing he’s not good to keep around”

I didn’t like Pooky asserting “I’m town bc scum wouldn’t be this reckless” either

GODDAMNJIT

I just wrote a wall up and THESE ASSHOLE FINGERS DELETED IT IN A SWIPE

[Noraa]

Lilith feels like she’s promoting TTvTT conflict

Your partner started a challenge on like page 3....

Okay but that’s direct initiation
Lilith is like an announcer for a WWE fight, she not in the ring getting bloody

You can't honestly believe this

Methinks me agrees with VP for the most part.

Tinfoiling notsci town

I do not follow at all.

Do you think I operate within the same bounds as you?
I have access to powerful majjyks that allow me to read the unreadable
The secrets of the cue ball are mine to perceive.

so defensive.

who?

you know who

No I don't.

VOTE: pooky

You're either scum or a gigantic liability

Noraa this might as well be a scum claim.

Yea
“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

pooky is scum or a liability

VOTE: Pooky

I never understood why there was a problem with that sentence from VP. Cuz its quite true. Either pooky is scum or he's town's biggest scum bucket.

Reck I’m placing my faith in you
Don’t be scum for 3 games in a row

Dont shade people when ur scum. It gives u away. VOTE: Gamma

“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

What is the correct take on it?

Pooky can be and is a decent town player, he even got N1ed the first time I played with town!him
My method of reading him boils down to, in simple terms: if he looks like he knows what he’s doing, he’s scum, if he doesn’t he’s town

Ok but what's wrong with VP's take? It's entirely logically based while yours is meta based. Theres nothing wrong with either, no?

you just gave away any chance of us scumhunting D1 for a lulzy meme challenge

this is hilarious coming from someone voting the most townie player to ever town

Ur a big scum butt that's unfortunately probably town.

gamma where did noraa obvtown?

Good question.

Her Pooky read was good, felt natural, and I just get Good Vibes^TM from her

Terrible answer.

scum!noraa wouldnt SR town!pooky cuz its way easier to just pocket me with love and hugs

I don't SR you. I do think ur a big scumbucket for ur page 3 challenge.

town!pooky, the 3-4 times I’ve seen, has always tried to be logical and reasonable and I see none of that here

no....

It looks like “I know you’re town but need to justify my vote here with moral outrage”

But it also looks like “this guys head is full of stuffing he’s not good to keep around”

I didn’t like Pooky asserting “I’m town bc scum wouldn’t be this reckless” either

how does it look like the first one?

It's not like VP's reaction was an overreaction when he threw cups and plates at everyone and got extremely mad.

I don't understand how you even see the first possibility.

Like if he was being super dramatic and using a shit ton of AtE, that perspective makes sense but he wasn't so I feel like this is an attempt to shade.

Gun to head
Gamma/Notsci/____/_____

[notscience]

That added in “it could just be dumb town” looks like scum hedging it’s bets. Also sorry, Noraa. Still haven’t seen scum me yet

[xRECKONERx]

Sup guys? I am here and apologize for not being here sooner, but was visiting with a friend who is being deported in the next few days and that just was the priority last night.

I'm gonna read and come back with some thoughts after I get through some work at my office today.

god, that's awful sorry mandy

[xRECKONERx]

@VPB: What's your opinion on meta?

[Noraa]

Oh also I don't think pooky ever asserted that.

I said it first actually.

But yeah this play is a huge gambit if he is scum and I'm not sure scum!pooky willingly puts himself on the chopping block just like that.

[VP Baltar]

@VPB: What's your opinion on meta?

I would say I use it as a general outline if I know a player well? But it's often on an intuitive level I can't really explain well. Like, "hmm, reck feels strange this game." I find it hard to really articulate an argument for alignment based strictly on meta, because any halfway decent player is going to change things up a bit from game to game.

So tl;dr -- I'm not antimeta per se, but I'd rarely use it as my main reason for reading someone.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

[xRECKONERx]

@VPB: What's your opinion on meta?

I would say I use it as a general outline if I know a player well? But it's often on an intuitive level I can't really explain well. Like, "hmm, reck feels strange this game." I find it hard to really articulate an argument for alignment based strictly on meta, because any halfway decent player is going to change things up a bit from game to game.

So tl;dr -- I'm not antimeta per se, but I'd rarely use it as my main reason for reading someone.

I see.

I generally think meta is trash. Well, I actually think the way it is used is trash, but this mafiascum so we don't have room for nuance.

That being said, considering you were one of the people who got snowed very hard by noraa last game we played (where me/Haschel/noraa were scum), I was curious if you had any insights into her from that perspective. Not so much "is she scum or town based on meta" but moreso looking for a peek into noraa the player bc my only experience with her so far was on a scumteam together

[Gamma Emerald]

What is UT posting in the PT so far, Reck?

[Noraa]

You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

Your town reads on me never last not to mention I think ur scum here anyways.
You do read me wrong more often than not. Each time I'm town, you start out TRing me and I'm like cool maybe gamma finally can read me. Then when my wagon starts blowing up, ur always like "Pfft I SR you now."
From my posting in this game, you should not find me obvtown and you've done nothing but throw shade at people and town block pooky and I for no literal reason.
Out of {VP, Pooky, Gamma} you look the worst and that's why I'm voting you.

Why are you whining about me voting you when you were having that full on defeatist mode where you were like "its fine if I die. Just town block pooky and Noraa after I'm dead"

Haven't you always said my play wasn't that good? When did you ever see I was obvtown when I thought I was obvtowning? Literally never.

[Noraa]

"its fine if I die. Just town block pooky and Noraa after I'm dead"

Not to mention this ^ is something I used to do as scum a shit ton.

[Noraa]

@VPB: What's your opinion on meta?

I would say I use it as a general outline if I know a player well? But it's often on an intuitive level I can't really explain well. Like, "hmm, reck feels strange this game." I find it hard to really articulate an argument for alignment based strictly on meta, because any halfway decent player is going to change things up a bit from game to game.

So tl;dr -- I'm not antimeta per se, but I'd rarely use it as my main reason for reading someone.

I see.

I generally think meta is trash. Well, I actually think the way it is used is trash, but this mafiascum so we don't have room for nuance.

That being said, considering you were one of the people who got snowed very hard by noraa last game we played (where me/Haschel/noraa were scum), I was curious if you had any insights into her from that perspective. Not so much "is she scum or town based on meta" but moreso looking for a peek into noraa the player bc my only experience with her so far was on a scumteam together

Noraa liked this post

TR Reck.

[VP Baltar]

That being said, considering you were one of the people who got snowed very hard by noraa last game we played (where me/Haschel/noraa were scum), I was curious if you had any insights into her from that perspective. Not so much "is she scum or town based on meta" but moreso looking for a peek into noraa the player bc my only experience with her so far was on a scumteam together

I mean, it was more I talked myself out of noraa scum there than anything. When I looked back in that game, I was initially like "Noraa is scum if Reck flips red"

I think I'm obviously more aware of Noraa's ability to hide intentions as scum. I think what was more obvious in that particular situation was her AtEs were complete bullshit.

In terms of what I'm applying to our PT interaction, I think it's too early. Noraa feels town to me at this point. She is being consistent in her PT reads and what she is saying in thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

That's fine. My towniness will shines thru like a bright light

Really. REALLY???
And I never turned my read on you in Betrayal Mafia, so no that’s not a thing that “always happens”. I also turned my read on you around last-second in 2170, so that’s also counter to your belief.
As for my defeatist attitude, yeah I accept I’m probably gonna die, but that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna get pissed if held to an impossible standard. You literally expect everyone to townread you but when I do it I’m the worst person on the planet! GROW UP.

[Noraa]

You literally expect everyone to townread you but when I do it I’m the worst person on the planet! GROW UP.

ur trying to tell me that you TRed me just so that I would TR you?

Pfft.

that's not how the world works.

[Noraa]

Getting into a tussle with me doesn't make you look better, Gamma. It just looks like your trying to turn reads into a fight to cover up how correct they are.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm expecting you to not call my townreads on you bullshiut oin princiople!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!