Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[clidd]

It would be sad if he's scum using the newbie veil to hide in plain sight with innocent questions.

[clidd]

But I'm assuming he's just town.

[LoneMarkhor]

It would be sad if he's scum using the newbie veil to hide in plain sight with innocent questions.

I would never do that .By the way, goodbye for the night(Assuming lunar is going to eliminated).Either you or trendall are going to be nightkilled.

[clidd]

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

Sorry I don't know which reasoning you are talking about.His reasoning was against you,wasn't it?

His reasoning regarding you slipping. It seems odd that you don't know how a doctor works but you know your favorite role is mafia goon. The way you are jumping on the largest bandwagon and stating that you think I'm scummy but then also not being able to provide any reasons for why I'm scummy is, ironically, rather scummy.

Did you read what Trendall said about my theory?

It feels like you always do selective reading.

[LoneMarkhor]

It would be sad if he's scum using the newbie veil to hide in plain sight with innocent questions.

I would never do that .By the way, goodbye for the night(Assuming lunar is going to eliminated).Either you or trendall are going to be nightkilled.

Unless lunar is the roleblocker.Lets hope so.

[ben dover123]

Wait what happened?

[ben dover123]

Hm. I wanted to publish my macro readlist before D2 but I can do it before the mod comes on.

Why do I feel like Lunar had a major disconnect in his reads?

[ben dover123]

:thonk: Lunar isn't hammered yet, he is still at E-1. Lemme create a unofficial vc

INTENT TO HAMMER

I am declaring intent to hammer Lunar here, I want Lunar to give his last thoughts if he is online.

[ben dover123]

[4] Lunar Martian (clidd, LoneMarkhor, Chumbo, Rockhopper)
[2] clidd (Battle Mage, Trendall)
[2] Rockhopper (LavarManos)
[1] Battle Mage (Lunar Martian)
[1] LavarManos (ben dover123)

With 9 people it takes 5 to eliminate

This votecount is unofficial.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)[/b][/color][/area][/quote]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

VOTE: BM

UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

VOTE: Lunar for now
E-2

VOTE: Lunar Martian

THIS IS E-1

Ok, goodbye.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

Doctor's role PM does not have a double voting ability, therefore the last vote does not count.

[ben dover123]

[4 (E-1)] Lunar Martian (clidd, LoneMarkhor, Chumbo, Rockhopper)
[2 (E-3)] clidd (Battle Mage, Trendall)
[1] Rockhopper (LavarManos)
[1] Battle Mage (Lunar Martian)
[1] LavarManos (ben dover123)

With 9 people it takes 5 to eliminate

This votecount is unofficial.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)

Spoiler: Votes

VOTE: Lunar Martian

VOTE: BM

UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

VOTE: Lunar for now
E-2

VOTE: Lunar Martian

THIS IS E-1

Ok, goodbye.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

Doctor's role PM does not have a double voting ability, therefore the last vote does not count.

Sorry, I really screwed the other post up.

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: General Macro Reads

ben dover123

Trendall

LoneMarkhor

Rockhopper

Chumbo

Battle Mage

clidd

Lunar Martian

These macro reads were formed by posts. clidd may be the uncc'ed doctor, but his posts mostly ping openwolfy, so in the macro readlist clidd is overall scummy.

Trendall: Confirmed town.
LoneMarkhor: Just newbie town, no more no less.
Rockhopper: Was relatively scummy in his posts, but the defeatedness is just not a thing coming from scum Rock.
Chumbo: Was a nice TR before, but he has sunk down to only a TL now. His proactiveness about solving decreased massively but I have to complete his ISO to see.
BM: Is technically a null with so little posts and little reactions, but his slot is just >randtown with all the +towncred he is getting.
clidd: Overall his posts are scummy, backtracking, bizarre explanations, but he is a much more complicated case and he goes beyond macro reads, so I don't think this macro read will be very helpful in determining his alignment.
Lunar Martian: Jumble was scummy, and then now I am getting a sense of disconnected reads from Lunar, switching from one person to another quickly. I completed Lunar's ISO and he is backtracking on my read multiple times, already this is the 3rd time he has gone back and forth between me being scum and me being town. That just feels like generally indecisive scum.

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: Last couple of posts

Wait Clidd you hadn't voted lunar yet?

VOTE: Lunar Martian

:thonk: I think

Unless you have two votes somehow.

Yeaahhh whoever said Lone is scum needs a straight reality check.

welp.

were you scum Lunar?

This pings town to me, but it might be troll since clidd voted twice.

nah

docs get 2 votes

This is rock trolling Lone

Ok, goodbye.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

This doesn't ping me in the right way but it might just be a troll.

brief check in to say:

what the hell is going on
believe both PR claims
guess i was wrong about clidd - sorry clidd

more tonight, apologies i timed out last night.

There you go Lunar. Although this makes me slightly more sus of BM because he is just like "Ah forget my SR on clidd he is a PR trust him".
We can look at this tomorrow.

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

Although I question BM for the fact that he said "I'll be back tonight" when tonight has already happened. Ah well, maybe "tonight" is relative if BM lives in a different time zone with a different schedule.

BM has repeatedly promised to post and not followed through.

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

This is selective reading, like clidd said. Just picking apart the most obvious things when Lunar should be diving through everyone else as well.

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

Sorry I don't know which reasoning you are talking about.His reasoning was against you,wasn't it?

His reasoning regarding you slipping. It seems odd that you don't know how a doctor works but you know your favorite role is mafia goon. The way you are jumping on the largest bandwagon and stating that you think I'm scummy but then also not being able to provide any reasons for why I'm scummy is, ironically, rather scummy.

I hate how Lunar is jumping on the LHF just like this. Not only is this sheeping off of others, you know that mafia goon is visible outside the role PM's right?

Spoiler:

ben dover
LoneMarkhor
Trendall
Battle Mage
LavarManos
Lunar
Chumbo

what does this list mean?

Towniest to scummiest

Why is Chumbo at the bottom of your list?

This makes a massive interaction. Lunar hasn't interacted with Chumbo all game and then all of a sudden he is worried why Chumbo is so far down when Chumbo can be seen as scummy to some people? Huh?

Yeah, these posts are not a good look for Lunar, especially the Chumbo post imo. I'm ready to hammer him when everyone leaks out their last thoughts.

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: Last couple of posts

Wait Clidd you hadn't voted lunar yet?

VOTE: Lunar Martian

:thonk: I think

Unless you have two votes somehow.

Yeaahhh whoever said Lone is scum needs a straight reality check.

welp.

were you scum Lunar?

This pings town to me, but it might be troll since clidd voted twice.

nah

docs get 2 votes

This is rock trolling Lone

Ok, goodbye.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

This doesn't ping me in the right way but it might just be a troll.

brief check in to say:

what the hell is going on
believe both PR claims
guess i was wrong about clidd - sorry clidd

more tonight, apologies i timed out last night.

There you go Lunar. Although this makes me slightly more sus of BM because he is just like "Ah forget my SR on clidd he is a PR trust him".
We can look at this tomorrow.

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

Although I question BM for the fact that he said "I'll be back tonight" when tonight has already happened. Ah well, maybe "tonight" is relative if BM lives in a different time zone with a different schedule.

BM has repeatedly promised to post and not followed through.

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

This is selective reading, like clidd said. Just picking apart the most obvious things when Lunar should be diving through everyone else as well.

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

Sorry I don't know which reasoning you are talking about.His reasoning was against you,wasn't it?

His reasoning regarding you slipping. It seems odd that you don't know how a doctor works but you know your favorite role is mafia goon. The way you are jumping on the largest bandwagon and stating that you think I'm scummy but then also not being able to provide any reasons for why I'm scummy is, ironically, rather scummy.

I hate how Lunar is jumping on the LHF just like this. Not only is this sheeping off of others, you know that mafia goon is visible outside the role PM's right?

Why is Chumbo at the bottom of your list?

This makes a massive interaction. Lunar hasn't interacted with Chumbo all game and then all of a sudden he is worried why Chumbo is so far down when Chumbo can be seen as scummy to some people? Huh?

Yeah, these posts are not a good look for Lunar, especially the Chumbo post imo. I'm ready to hammer him when everyone leaks out their last thoughts.

I have to preview my post before I submit, I'm getting so many badly formatted posts.

[clidd]

That "sorry clidd" was weird coming from BM and Rock stills my second pick for mafia.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.11

[4] Lunar Martian (clidd, LoneMarkhor, Chumbo, Rockhopper)
[2] clidd (Battle Mage, Trendall)
[1] Battle Mage (Lunar Martian)
[1] LavarManos (ben dover123)
[1] Rockhopper (LavarManos)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)

[clidd]

But, he forgot to unvote me and that's +town for him.

[ben dover123]

That "sorry clidd" was weird coming from BM and Rock stills my second pick for mafia.

Yeah, it's awkward. Are those your last thoughts?

[clidd]

My mind hasn't changed about Luna, let alone Rock.

My only concern is the scenario in which my analysis was wrong about Lava's predecessor, as he basically became a blank slate in the last pages, but I will trust the analysis I obtained. Also, the fact that he comments at certain times (when he could wait for the storm to pass), makes me think that he was trying to understand the situation (town mentality).

It is very difficult to say with certainty about BM, as he demonstrates things that I consider to be towny from his towngame, but at the same time he is fostering a very large distance from the game (and abusing the VLA and prod system). But ethically speaking, he knows this is pretty toxic if he's scum, so I imagine he wouldn't (so, prob town too).

Lone is very new to the game and, as Trendall pointed out, maybe my theory about his scumlip is not as strong as I imagined. In good faith, I imagine that he would not abuse the newbie veil to obscure reads on him (and the fact that the gamestate indicates that he was never a paupable elimination, indicates that both mafia and town want him alive). Probably town too.

In conclusion, my PoE indicates the relationship: {Luna, Rock, Lead} as containing both scums.

[clidd]

"Lead" can be Chumbo or, in a rare case, BM.

It's up to you figure that out later.

[clidd]

But Chumbo and Rock jumping on Luna here sounds like a buss, so BM becomes more unlikely as mafia.

[ben dover123]

My mind hasn't changed about Luna, let alone Rock.

My only concern is the scenario in which my analysis was wrong about Lava's predecessor, as he basically became a blank slate in the last pages, but I will trust the analysis I obtained. Also, the fact that he comments at certain times (when he could wait for the storm to pass), makes me think that he was trying to understand the situation (town mentality).

It is very difficult to say with certainty about BM, as he demonstrates things that I consider to be towny from his towngame, but at the same time he is fostering a very large distance from the game (and abusing the VLA and prod system). But ethically speaking, he knows this is pretty toxic if he's scum, so I imagine he wouldn't (so, prob town too).

Lone is very new to the game and, as Trendall pointed out, maybe my theory about his scumlip is not as strong as I imagined. In good faith, I imagine that he would not abuse the newbie veil to obscure reads on him (and the fact that the gamestate indicates that he was never a paupable elimination, indicates that both mafia and town want him alive). Probably town too.

In conclusion, my PoE indicates the relationship: {Luna, Rock, Lead} as containing both scums.

Hm. Assuming you are not scum. Our PoE is still wide but Lunar has been doing some weird stuff yesterday, so my mind hasn't really changed about him either.

That is true, I'd say Chumbo because Rock doesn't put his partner in hammer range with intent.

[clidd]

Well, that's why you need to scumhunt if I'm not here on D2.

I mean, I think cop will die, but they can just rb cop and kill me (because I can't protect myself), so cop would stay alive on D2 but without a report.

[ben dover123]

Well, that's why you need to scumhunt if I'm not here on D2.

I mean, I think cop will die, but they can just rb cop and kill me (because I can't protect myself), so cop would stay alive on D2 but without a report.

Yeah, both PR's are useless here, so it's basically 2 v 7 vanilla mafia.

[clidd]

I think you're biased on Rock, but I can see why you think he's town for acting like that in hammer range.

[clidd]

So.. That's all. We wait now.