Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Lunar Martian]

The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

Dude. You literally sheeped clidd about Lone being scum for having mafia goon as his favourite role.
I can't see how you would choose that over BM as town.

How is it dumb to think you're scum keeping your options open?

Thanks Rock, this was my point but it was much better worded.

The attitude of "Oh town has absolute s*** reasons but I'm not going to fix them myself" is not pro-town, you know.

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

[Lunar Martian]

Oh and Rockhopper is the third most likely person to be scum.

[Lunar Martian]

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

[Rockhopper]

GTG now, sorry.

[ben dover123]

I did defend myself. I defended myself against every point you've made. Actually, you've really only made one point. You defending yourself for "your brain going boom" suggests that because your brain went boom you made some posts that you disagree with in retrospect. If you stand by those posts then I want to go back and pressure you for them, but it seemed like you were retracting them.

Where is the evidence that I'm trying to keep my options open? I've been pretty transparent with my reads.

To everyone who thinks I'm scum: please post your case so I can engage with it.

Yeah, I regret every moment of those 5 pages, but I don't consider them scummy. I was just a brainless townie then. smh Yesterday was way too crazy.

"I've been pretty transparent with my reads." I'm still not understanding how you cannot see Lone as just a newbie town.

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

I have a feeling that Lone is just lost as a newbie town, it's hard to see him being scum and using these innocent questions as a veil.

[ben dover123]

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

I can see this coming from town but the margin is relatively small. Especially your attitude, as right now just doesn't ping as pro-town.

[Lunar Martian]

I did defend myself. I defended myself against every point you've made. Actually, you've really only made one point. You defending yourself for "your brain going boom" suggests that because your brain went boom you made some posts that you disagree with in retrospect. If you stand by those posts then I want to go back and pressure you for them, but it seemed like you were retracting them.

Where is the evidence that I'm trying to keep my options open? I've been pretty transparent with my reads.

To everyone who thinks I'm scum: please post your case so I can engage with it.

Yeah, I regret every moment of those 5 pages, but I don't consider them scummy. I was just a brainless townie then. smh Yesterday was way too crazy.

"I've been pretty transparent with my reads." I'm still not understanding how you cannot see Lone as just a newbie town.

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

I have a feeling that Lone is just lost as a newbie town, it's hard to see him being scum and using these innocent questions as a veil.

Ignore the posts that are trying to look like a newbie town for a moment. Even a newbie town should be able to come up with a reason to scumread someone, right? Lone doesn't seem to have any reason for scumreading me.

[Lunar Martian]

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

I can see this coming from town but the margin is relatively small. Especially your attitude, as right now just doesn't ping as pro-town.

speak for yourself.

[ben dover123]

I did defend myself. I defended myself against every point you've made. Actually, you've really only made one point. You defending yourself for "your brain going boom" suggests that because your brain went boom you made some posts that you disagree with in retrospect. If you stand by those posts then I want to go back and pressure you for them, but it seemed like you were retracting them.

Where is the evidence that I'm trying to keep my options open? I've been pretty transparent with my reads.

To everyone who thinks I'm scum: please post your case so I can engage with it.

Yeah, I regret every moment of those 5 pages, but I don't consider them scummy. I was just a brainless townie then. smh Yesterday was way too crazy.

"I've been pretty transparent with my reads." I'm still not understanding how you cannot see Lone as just a newbie town.

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

I have a feeling that Lone is just lost as a newbie town, it's hard to see him being scum and using these innocent questions as a veil.

Ignore the posts that are trying to look like a newbie town for a moment. Even a newbie town should be able to come up with a reason to scumread someone, right? Lone doesn't seem to have any reason for scumreading me.

Hm. Maybe it's hard for you to see but I have seen much, much worse from newbie town. In fact, the newbie believed in bandwagoning and none of his votes had any reasoning behind them. So, I say we just use too scummy to be scum for Lone.

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

I can see this coming from town but the margin is relatively small. Especially your attitude, as right now just doesn't ping as pro-town.

speak for yourself.

This is what I mean. These sarcastic comments and salty behavior is just not what I consider a town at E-1 would be doing.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

Ben, I think his rage can be real.

[clidd]

But, rage isn't the same as "He's town". Scum can be angry too.

[Lunar Martian]

If you got voted to E-1 and people couldn't provide any reasoning but assumed that you were scum and were only looking for other scum based on their interactions with you you'd probably also get frustrated. You aren't engaging with me in good faith or making any effort to consider the possibility that you're wrong. If you can't engage in good faith with me, I have no reason to do so with you. It doesn't matter what I say, you've decided that I'm scum. So I'm just gonna say things that make me feel better about dying, which in this case means ridiculing you.

[ben dover123]

Ben, I think his rage can be real.

I know, but I just feel like his behavior isn't something I'd expect from a newbie at E-1. Maybe I'm used to something else but.

Pedit: ... I'll respond to this in a second.

[Battle Mage]

46 pages on Day 1 in a newbie game? this is a monstrosity

[ben dover123]

46 pages on Day 1 in a newbie game? this is a monstrosity

I think it's time you actually do something. People (not me) are getting impatient over you.

[clidd]

BM, do you have any spicy takes?

[Battle Mage]

nothing spicy, other than im sick of town PRs being outted early in all fking games. i would like to actually win this. I'm probably going to catch up during the night phase as there's no chance I'm getting NKed

[clidd]

Lunar Martian, I didn't see you addressing my analysis of your predecessor. I provided a reasoning that pointed to Jumble being scum, consequently, transmitting to you (which is the same slot).

[Battle Mage]

at least the SEs being town helps, and Ben being obvtown helps narrow the pool nicely. Should be solvable, but I'm going to do it properly. You may as well consider me a replace-in at this point with how little I've been here.

[clidd]

nothing spicy, other than im sick of town PRs being outted early in all fking games. i would like to actually win this. I'm probably going to catch up during the night phase as there's no chance I'm getting NKed

Would you abuse vla and prod dodge as scum?

[clidd]

Speaking on an ethical level of play.

[ben dover123]

If you got voted to E-1 and people couldn't provide any reasoning but assumed that you were scum and were only looking for other scum based on their interactions with you you'd probably also get frustrated. You aren't engaging with me in good faith or making any effort to consider the possibility that you're wrong. If you can't engage in good faith with me, I have no reason to do so with you. It doesn't matter what I say, you've decided that I'm scum. So I'm just gonna say things that make me feel better about dying, which in this case means ridiculing you.

Um, we aren't assuming you are scum. There are reasons behind my accusation, you know. More than "Lunar is indecisive".

I'd get frustrated, but I'd definitely go and start pointing out the flaws behind the accusations, addressing each one, not:

Ben you are way overconfident and it seems like your reads are quite bad. No one is re-evaluating.
The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

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It was the first time you mentioned it. Yesterday or the day before. You said you didn't like my read changing on you, but also admitted that you had made some very questionable posts.

And rather than assume me changing my mind is scummy you should ask me questions to try to uncover my true intentions. This is garbage play from you, tbh.

The only thing you fixed was adding in the possibility of "Scum would choose a read and stick to it".

I can't really engage with you in good faith because you are very sure that Lone is scum and so is BM, and the reasons you provided I just can't agree with. Maybe we can work something together, but the way you are rejecting the possibility that Lone is genuinely newbie town is not helping us get together in good faith.

I am thinking about the possibility where I am wrong, and it's likely there, but this is likely where we are going today and as Trendall said, don't overthink it. I'll reconsider everything D2 if I am wrong.

[clidd]

I find it very pathetic on the part of Lunar to present a PoE of BM and Lone.

He accuses others of having no reasoning to vote for him, but his reasons for suspecting both slots are limited to "he's afk" or "he has no reason to vote for me".

[Battle Mage]

nothing spicy, other than im sick of town PRs being outted early in all fking games. i would like to actually win this. I'm probably going to catch up during the night phase as there's no chance I'm getting NKed

Would you abuse vla and prod dodge as scum?

yep definitely. my scum-meta is lurking like hell.