PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

can someone give me a heads up if i get to -1 so i can claim? lol

Official Vote Count 1.11

Ircher

(6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Toogeloo

Double the Trouble

(4): Dunnstral, pichu, Ydrasse, Not Known 15

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

Bell

(1): Creature

Ydrasse

(1): Ircher

Dunnstral

(1): Double the Trouble

Battle Mage

(1): mastina

Not Voting

(2): Dr Easy Bake, Battle Mage

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-14 16:00:00)

Good job guys. No prods needed.

You have 1 vote on you?

I think 1519 is a weird post here.

lol i wasnt reading (see: VLA) and thought i might be nearly getting elimmed as I had seen a few votes (presumably when using the search function). i'm not sure what's weird about it - it was just wrong.

[Battle Mage]

Okay, Ali. I'm willing to let you live.

on the basis of their response to your questions, or lack thereof, I...have no idea how you came to this conclusion.

[Battle Mage]

- Their read on me is not natural

Can you explain this one?

Well for starters
it kind of just feels like they picked a target and just decided to go after it
I don't think any of their interactions with norwee felt like they were in good faith and kind of just feel agenda based

Objectively speaking, to what extent do you feel this applies to Norwee in his approach towards me? Looking back at the ISO, he tunnelled me before I was even here for being VLA, and then has lazily ridden the coattails of everyone shading me since. There isn't a hint of good-faith solving from your slot towards mine, whereas I've been balanced and objective in my assessment of your slot. I haven't tunnelled, I haven't even said you would necessarily be the best elim today. This feels like you're re-writing history.

1793 is funny if you think about how he's done nothing to warrant calling himself someone with a propserity of obvtowning when quite frankly thats not what he's doing and if he was he probably wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

I mean what warrants that claim is:

A. The statistics which back it up, and you are aware of.
B. The experience most people who have played with me would attest to, and say in virtually every game I play.

If you're town here, bashing me as a player because of your shitty read, is...lame.

I've been perfectly coherent, clear and logical in debunking Mastina's bogus case, and whilst you originally sheeped it enthusiastically, you later claimed under pressure that you were intoxicated and didn't stand by it.

If I get mis-elimmed here, it categorically isn't for lack of effort, logic or towniness on my part.

everything after that just feels like them trying to shade our slot
even the mastina read in 1817 kinda just feels agenda motivated
and their interactions with spiffeh about me are kinda bad :/

this all basically amounts to OMGUS.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah you should at least tell Pooky your role the way you said you would BM, I'm not sure why you asked if you could do that instead of just doing it so no one would notice?

I already did it.

[Battle Mage]

I like my town block of Double, mastina, and Spiffeh.

I injured my back yesterday, so I'm a bit loopy today from meds, but I feel good about the Bowel Movement wagon. We need to see another vote there so that Pooky can Diane Sawyer his ass.

Bowel Movement? lovely

is that how you injured your back... shitting too hard?

[Battle Mage]

As any alignment I’m an advocate for getting D1 over with as soon as possible, valid claims could change things but generally I think the the information provided from D1’s elimination is more valuable than anything.

If there’s no good discussion surrounding the choice of wagon and why then it’s useless though.
I saw a game once where scum was quickhammered with minimal discussion. After that there was nothing to talk about and the last sxum went on to sweep the game because everyone just assumed they were town for lolvoting their buddy.

- Norwee

"i saw a game once"? - you were in that game. so was i. keep it honest, my boy.

[Solstice]

i have returned, vaguely

i havent gotten a chance to talk things out with MT and skipped the last few pages

ama

~mist

[pichu]

do you or Morning hold your "one shot"?

[Double the Trouble]

As any alignment I’m an advocate for getting D1 over with as soon as possible, valid claims could change things but generally I think the the information provided from D1’s elimination is more valuable than anything.

If there’s no good discussion surrounding the choice of wagon and why then it’s useless though.
I saw a game once where scum was quickhammered with minimal discussion. After that there was nothing to talk about and the last sxum went on to sweep the game because everyone just assumed they were town for lolvoting their buddy.

- Norwee

"i saw a game once"? - you were in that game. so was i. keep it honest, my boy.

You being in that game is completely irrelevant to what i said. Unless you’re an egomaniac that’s offended i didn’t mention you were there or something.

- Norwee

[Battle Mage]

Yes, Mastina is calling me confscum here, in the same way she did when we were Morning Mage.

[yeah that's what i was worried about. And you're assuming her reads are all off the mark, just like that game as well -- i just don't trust you two scumreading/pushing each other much lol]

I'm not even really scumreading her, dude. Certainly not for pushing me anyway - that's her town-MO, and no reason why she'd do it differently as scum.

I'm not assuming her reads are all off the mark as such, but my observations are this:

Mastina has 1 independent read - BM scum.
All Mastina's other reads are based on a presumption of BM-scum, whereby she townreads those who attack me, and scumreads those who don't.

So some of her reads may be right, but they are pretty much all based on that 1 false premise. Which is why I gently offered her the advice about being balanced and objective and not just tunnelling 1 person for 80 pages with little else to show for it. You know I've run that race.

interesting here you suggest you don't agree with Ircher defending me....yet you hadn't really commented on me at all prior to this.

Can you talk me through your read here?

[i think Double was confirm biased, more or less, early while scumreading you, i didn't find the whole searching for your name ordeal scummy. i also hilariously enough am not reading mastina's posts on why you're a liar much cause I think she suffers from some kind of bias as well]

you ain't missing much. I think those are both plausible takes. It's not outside the realms of possibility that Norwee-Alisae are town who are tunnelling me because Norwee would love to try and elim me, and Alisae genuinely isn't interested in following his own reads and thinks it's better to trust Mastina whose alignment he may or may not know. But we are talking 2 good players (of the ilk I expect Flavor Leaf would be keen to recruit) and I guess I just expect a bit more from them as town? Like Norwee as town can be really good. Here I don't think they've dealt well with pressure, on the few occassions they've been under it.

[i am pretty bad at reading you, worse than you know, and I haven't really gotten any pings in either direction. I think you could be scum in spite of what i have seen from Double/mastina, and it's also very possible im discrediting mastina falsely. If i were confident in a townread i'd oppose the wagon but I am fine with it at the moment. I prefer Ircher/Creature though]

[i think your reads are largely good in 1912 although I'm unsure on Double being scummy.]

[I see that you found Norwe's interactions with you to be bad faith. The only problem is I'm not sure that necessitates him being scum at all]

[do you have an opinion on Ircher, btw?]

~Morning

So you basically think I could be scum just by statistical chance, but there's no real reason either way? I guess that's ok, but my suggestion would be that you take something from those who are bad-faithing me, in the absence of any direct tells from me. I.e. if I'm basically neutral, but a bunch of people are trying to run me up on crappy arguments, that might indicate I'm more likely to be town.

Just a thought though.

[Double the Trouble]

What does that have to do with honesty?
Dumb shade lmao.

- Norwee

[Battle Mage]

As any alignment I’m an advocate for getting D1 over with as soon as possible, valid claims could change things but generally I think the the information provided from D1’s elimination is more valuable than anything.

If there’s no good discussion surrounding the choice of wagon and why then it’s useless though.
I saw a game once where scum was quickhammered with minimal discussion. After that there was nothing to talk about and the last sxum went on to sweep the game because everyone just assumed they were town for lolvoting their buddy.

- Norwee

"i saw a game once"? - you were in that game. so was i. keep it honest, my boy.

You being in that game is completely irrelevant to what i said. Unless you’re an egomaniac that’s offended i didn’t mention you were there or something.

- Norwee

you said "i saw a game once" when the reality was more like "i was in a game very recently". I think being misleading can become a force of habit when you're 'in character' Norwee

[Battle Mage]

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's scum indicative to cherry-pick your responses to people scumreading you, only focussing on the smaller issues to give the appearance of a diminished case against you.

A clever strategy Norwee, but a transparent one.

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler:

Netflix and Chill (notscience and Brian Skies) - Town
- informed innocent
- both heads were extremely sweaty at points
- seemed town via play

Spiffeh - Town
- obvtowned himself once Pooky's POE was announced.
- his takes aren't garbage
- he doesn't seem to be agenda motivated.

Creature - Scumlean
- haven't read a post people think its scummy i don't know didn't seem like his usual self but I'm not as good at reading this slot compared to when I used to be.

Polar Bear Express (Noraa and Gloria Cleary) - Scum
- They're defending Battle Mage in a way that feels very suspect
- Interactions with Pichu seem kinda fake
- When I told them to vote me it seemed like their actions were more agenda motivated when it came to voting ircher over me.
- I don't actually understand how this slot flips back and forth between me
-

Gloria apparently is not giving this game her attention at all and generally when a hydra partner is mostly missing, that slot is more likely to be scum than town.

- 1845 is fucking garbage considering they just townread me.
- Seriously, if I mapped out this slot's progression on me you would see some really strange red flags

Ydrasse - Town
- I did a brief meta dive on Ydrasse and my intial impressions was that she's town in this game based on the meta I skimmed and me diving into her egosearch
- this was mostly because her town approach just felt in general more natural compared to scum approach. In her scumgames, she steps on the gas right away. In her towngames, she's a bit more flufposty into later and reaches conclusions a bit more naturally.
- I trust Pichu's read on this slot. Have you read 1102?
- Pichu also verified the conclusions I got from my meta dive in that post.
- They feel in general super natural

Solstice (Mistyx and Morning Tweet) - Scumlean
+ Misty feels kinda town
- MT hasn't obvtowned yet
- Pichu is really good at reading MT
- Pichu scumleans MT
- Spiffeh scumleans MT

pichu - town
- Has been really town.

Not Known 15 - Kill
- I've seen townies who are just bad at the game
- I've also seen scum pretend to be these kind of players
- I would kill it regardless

Toogeloo - Town
- Noraa interactions feel good
- The vote going from Ircher to Battle Mage feels towny and not agenda motivated
- their reaction to pooky is good.

MURDERCAT - Null
- His take on me and my meta is the opposite of Dunn and BM which is really interesting and is town points
- I also like that he is kind of sharing my feelings about noraa and pushing it regardless of what Pooky's POE is
- What I don't like however is everything else.

Battle Mage - Scum
- Norwee scumreads it
- The way they're softing a PR makes me feel like its a tailored attempt to pocket pooky
- Their read on me is not natural
- the mastina posts

Bell - Weak Town
- On re-read, when Bell is around in thread, his posts feel okay.

Dr Easy Bake - Kill it
- Seen Scum!DEB do this
- Played with town!DEB and wasn't really impressed
- Would kill it regardless

Dunnstral - town
- Honestly just trusting mastina here.

mastina - town
- Her battle mage case is likely to come from town!mastina given the angles its pushing are those I expect town!mastina to push
- in general I think has just been a beacon of towniness

Ircher
- Weirdly enough I think him calling Pichu v Ydrasse theater is more likely going to come from town than scum
- His response to Pooky's PoE likely comes from town
- His reads don't really feel like there's an agenda behind them

Do not shade us for MY lack of activity. That is seriously low. I am dealing with some serious rl issues and no, I have zero intention of discussing them in a public game thread. If you think I’d make something like that up in order to avoid being scumread or whatever, then you don’t know a goddamn thing about me.

[Double the Trouble]

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's scum indicative to cherry-pick your responses to people scumreading you, only focussing on the smaller issues to give the appearance of a diminished case against you.

A clever strategy Norwee, but a transparent one.

Thanks.

- Norwee

[Battle Mage]

I think whatever happens, I've given a decent account of myself here, in the 2 real life days I've been properly involved. The case against me is basically about my activity levels while VLA, which I think is somewhat diminished by my activity since, and I have comprehensively rebutted Mastina's arguments which others have hidden behind. I don't know if my reads will be hugely helpful as they aren't that strong yet in most cases, but there's some info to be gained from my elim I guess. Overall I feel like it's a fking waste to mis-elim me today but I'll take some comfort in it being Pooky's call if that happens. Pooky, I've told you my role (mith at the party) so consider the best way to play that.

And in closing for now, as I teeter on the brink of annihilation, an unashamed AtE to

Pooky:

Mate, please don't mis-elim me Day 1. My town winrate this year is shit, and the one thing I've got going is the 30-game no mis-elim streak. Also I'd like to actually keep playing and trying to inject some logic where it has been missing. I think I'm playing well so far here and being a good contributor to the team. I have every confidence in your ability to read me - you know I am a zero-effort lurker who struggles to get involved as scum, and an over-zealous spambot who has his fingers in every pie as town (scum/notgoodtown here have taken advantage of the fact I was spending time with my family over the weekend as a means to opportunistically push me as a lurker, but that hasn't borne out).
Exactly like our last game as town together, I'm basically relying on you to keep my ass alive here to avoid me being the first one elimmed.

If you do elim me, please like avenge me tomorrow by terminating the scum driving my wagon. And probably most of all my advice would be to actively lead from the front - any town elimming me Day 1 for no good reason, needs help. The case on me is, objectively-speaking, woeful.

If you wanna chat, in real time, let's chat. Otherwise, always love ya buddy, keep it real. <3

[Battle Mage]

that was genuinely therapeutic for me, if nothing else.

[Polar Bear Express]

I have not been following this thread closely and that’s totally on me, so yes my play so far in this game has been subpar that doesn’t make us scum but it does mean I have been letting down my fellow townies by not devoting enough attention to this game. It would really help me out a lot, if people just directed specific questions to me. I will try to read up more later today. I literally lurked out the first two weeks of Death Curse and Toog almost wrongly shot me for that. I suck at larges because I get overwhelmed in them but in THIS game, just like in Death Curse, I will obvtown when the game becomes less overwhelming for me.

Anyway, I’m liking Ircher’s more recent posting and am now doubting my previous scumread on that slot.

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

[Polar Bear Express]

I can buy Polar Express being scum this game.

1845 should be all the evidence you guys need

We are not scum MC and I’m not liking you trying to drive a miselim on us. You haven’t even given me a chance yet, so it looks to me like you’re trying to run us up on the basis of one post. is that fair?

[Polar Bear Express]

I think whatever happens, I've given a decent account of myself here, in the 2 real life days I've been properly involved. The case against me is basically about my activity levels while VLA, which I think is somewhat diminished by my activity since, and I have comprehensively rebutted Mastina's arguments which others have hidden behind. I don't know if my reads will be hugely helpful as they aren't that strong yet in most cases, but there's some info to be gained from my elim I guess. Overall I feel like it's a fking waste to mis-elim me today but I'll take some comfort in it being Pooky's call if that happens. Pooky, I've told you my role (mith at the party) so consider the best way to play that.

And in closing for now, as I teeter on the brink of annihilation, an unashamed AtE to

Pooky:

Mate, please don't mis-elim me Day 1. My town winrate this year is shit, and the one thing I've got going is the 30-game no mis-elim streak. Also I'd like to actually keep playing and trying to inject some logic where it has been missing. I think I'm playing well so far here and being a good contributor to the team. I have every confidence in your ability to read me - you know I am a zero-effort lurker who struggles to get involved as scum, and an over-zealous spambot who has his fingers in every pie as town (scum/notgoodtown here have taken advantage of the fact I was spending time with my family over the weekend as a means to opportunistically push me as a lurker, but that hasn't borne out).
Exactly like our last game as town together, I'm basically relying on you to keep my ass alive here to avoid me being the first one elimmed.

If you do elim me, please like avenge me tomorrow by terminating the scum driving my wagon. And probably most of all my advice would be to actively lead from the front - any town elimming me Day 1 for no good reason, needs help. The case on me is, objectively-speaking, woeful.

If you wanna chat, in real time, let's chat. Otherwise, always love ya buddy, keep it real. <3

BM sounds extremely sincere here.

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: Murderkitty

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

DT shading us for my not posting enough is also bas but they might actually believe it. I don’t trust murderkitty and how he’s been trying to drive a miselim without following up on the answers to the questions he asked of me. What happened to that MC? Why did you ask me those questions, then fail to follow up on them? Why didn’t you ask me to explain or elaborate on those reads? You just dropped it altogether. I want to know why and I’m not moving my vote until you explain this.

[Polar Bear Express]

Noraa, the lack of gloria kinda has me worried. I don't really care if she reads but can you ask her to pop her head in so I can ask a few random questions and maybe increase her engagement with the game?
If she isn't feeling up for it that's fine but if it's more not wanting to read 80 pages she can still come say hi and chat about real time stuff.

Hi Gloria glad to have you here

Hope you feel better soon

Anywhere you have disagreed with Noraa if you've been keeping up at all?

I'm getting shivers from 1845

VOTE: Polar Bear Express

And then you just dropped any further attempts to engage me.

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler:

Tv and ice cubes are vibing with me too well. I'm deep in that pocket.

Mr. Murderkitty, I wrote that post. Me as in me. and me as in Queen. and Queen as in Noraa.

If either BM or Double or Ircher flip red, Murder looks so crappy for trying to start a vanity here.

Me feeling intense day 1 Noraa mislim vibes and increasing levels of anger which is terrible cuz I'll blow up at this rate over one SR.

It's stupid but idc I'm getting angry cuz I've been fucking limmed day 1 way too much lately.

Imma let gloria take over for a few days.

Adios. Until I calm down but definitely before deadline.

-mereallyneedsabreakcuzmefeelslikeblowingupoveroneSR

Sorry @Noraa, I’m currently going through my own personal hell rn but I’ll try my best to do what I can. Sorry If I’ve not been a great hydra partner so far. I’m sure that will change.

DT, why are you being lazy and not even bothering checking that out? There is plenty evidence I’m telling the truth about that, if you just bothered to look.

[Polar Bear Express]

You know what? I think I want Double the Trouble dead today.
1)

BM softed pr. theres a big possibility he'll be cleared/guiltied overnight and we'll be set and fine tomorrow without the risk of mislimmed a pr day 1. There really is no rush and if he's softing pr, we shouldn't be risking mislimming a pr. The activity argument is kind of damning but I've been criticized of not posting enough in town games before so idk how much weight I wanna put in it. I believe Mastina is passionate and believes in this read but I am not that convinced and I think theres plenty of time to sort this slot and maybe his night action can clear him, etc.

2) Double looks terrible. Each head has thrown shade and then the moment someone criticizes, the other heads like "eyyooo I don't agree with it so alls good"
3) Ircher wagon is dying and he is STILL one of my main SRs
4) Dunn is not happening today and
hold up I gtg.

This is what Murderkitty is trying to kill us over? When did not wanting to possibly risk miseliming a TPR get considered scummy?

Murderkitty pushing our miselim based on this post reads all kinds of wrong to me because not wanting to elim a slot you think could possibly be a TPR is as townie as fuck. How are you town here and are reading this as scummy?