PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Also mastina is very convincing tbh its quite unusual.

I've been quite convincing for the last two years or so!

And yet, people never cease to be surprised that I'm making reasonable and rational points in my cases.

this is my 3rd game with mastina this year. in all 3 games, she decided i was scum at the beginning and did little else other than tunnel me for the duration. In 1 game I was scum, in the other 2 town (incl. this one). I don't consider her read on me to be genuine, it's just what mastina does.

Just for the record.

Battle Mage is using the exact same style of discrediting me that Flavor Leaf uses.

I'd love to call that proof that BM is one of FL's chosen scum

, but sadly, I am forced to admit that BM's style of discrediting me is almost assuredly uninfluenced by FL in that if BM were scum trying to discredit me in a different game lacking a scum-FL he'd be no different.

I do find it fascinating tho. That both BM and FL have the exact same style of trying to discredit me when they're scum. Is probably among the reasons FL picked Battle Mage, if I had to guess; FL sees BM as a scum player whose style resonates with his own.

haha the only problem with this...as with all your posts in this game...is that i'm town. which renders your entire post redundant. whoops!

another bit of friendly advice: if you are town, your objective should be to FIND OUT WHO IS SCUM, not SET OUT TO FRAME SOMEONE AS SCUM, as per the bold above.

[Polar Bear Express]

maybe mastina and DT are both scum. i'm struggling to see why 2 town players are pushing so hard for me to be elimmed as i sit precariously as E-2 when there's like...nothing to gain from doing so?

the chips are all in, the decision is with Pooky. But I feel like there is an agenda to get me flipped before he makes that call...just in case he makes a big play.

Mastina is town. Gloria and I agree on this.

Double .... I'll just wait to talk with Gloria and agree on something before saying much there. We have very .... different opinions on Double.

-nornor

[Toogeloo]

i'm actually legit upset that an old friend is about to elim me Day 1

You know Pooky isn't lynching you, right? In fact he's barely had anything to do with your wagon other than include you in the PoE-4.

[Double the Trouble]

I don’t think i’ve ever said or suggested BM should be eliminated before Pooky has their exit interview. And that would also look ridiculously scummy.

- Norwee

[Battle Mage]

we'll see. i've never seen mastina scum, but to somebody's point earlier, I'm willing to believe Flavor Leaf could coach Mastina to play to her town meta as scum.

[Double the Trouble]

Double .... I'll just wait to talk with Gloria and agree on something before saying much there. We have very .... different opinions on Double.

like what

[Battle Mage]

i'm actually legit upset that an old friend is about to elim me Day 1

You know Pooky isn't lynching you, right? In fact he's barely had anything to do with your wagon other than include you in the PoE-4.

my gut feeling is he probably is. he turned up, asked for a claim, and left. didn't wanna talk to me, or engage with anything i'd said.

[Battle Mage]

i can also see pooky taking the view that losing a VT on Day 1 aint that bad.

[Polar Bear Express]

Double .... I'll just wait to talk with Gloria and agree on something before saying much there. We have very .... different opinions on Double.

like what

pfft. its pretty damn clear what my opinion on ur scummy ass is.
what would a different opinion be?
think about it for a hot sec and if u really can't figure it out, go run to daddy flavor and see if he understand what the words "different opinions" means.

-nornor

[Double the Trouble]

noraa stop being dense
why does gloria feel differently

[mastina]

i mean, i've never done it before as town

or scum

, so isn't that the definition of being NAI?

No.

When you claim to have done an action you've never done before as town or scum, there is, very likely, an alignment-indicative reason for having done it for the first time.

In the case of this game, the town reason to have done it is: ???
There's nothing I can think of as justification to have done it as town.

In the case of this game, the scum reason to have done it is, EITHER: you didn't, you lied and invented this as your excuse for the beetlegeus appearance, OR: you read the scum PT, were being kept up to date, and searched for your name to augment the information from the scum PT in making your appearance.

Both are fairly compelling reasons for you to have claimed to have done it, and both fit with your apparent knowledge of things you shouldn't have knowledge of.

I'm not going to re-tread old ground and respond to the Mastina stuff in detail.

AKA, you can't actually argue against them because they're true.

It's all a bit like this - superficial one-dimensional takes which don't show any evidence of balanced objective assessment.

I believe I've done a pretty damn good job in showing this is false, that my takes have plenty of evidence backing their assessment and that there is depth to them.

[Double the Trouble]

Noraa you became quite sassy.
There may be hope for you yet.

- Norwee

[Polar Bear Express]

i'm actually legit upset that an old friend is about to elim me Day 1

You know Pooky isn't lynching you, right? In fact he's barely had anything to do with your wagon other than include you in the PoE-4.

Noraa liked this post

retracting SR on Toog as it was mostly OMGUS in reply to Toog's OMGUS lmfao.

-nornor

[Polar Bear Express]

Noraa you became quite sassy.
There may be hope for you yet.

- Norwee

*flips hair*
I'll just talk to u. I like your half of the hydra.

If ur scum, u has gotta tell Ali to step up the game cuz Ali bein p transparently scummy :/

-nornor

[Double the Trouble]

Alisae, stop being scummy.

- Norwee

[Polar Bear Express]

Alisae, stop being scummy.

- Norwee

You might have to use the magic word for it to work :3

-nornor

[mastina]

lol Mastina, I'm very strongly of the opinion that you are literally just throwing a townread to everyone who votes me. madness

Creature voted you and he is very much not a townread of me.

I can also describe the reasons for my townread on every slot in the game I am townreading, and none of the reasons are "I don't think they're scum with BM" or "I think their BM vote makes them town".

Try again to misrep me.

[Battle Mage]

i mean, i've never done it before as town

or scum

, so isn't that the definition of being NAI?

No.

When you claim to have done an action you've never done before as town or scum, there is, very likely, an alignment-indicative reason for having done it for the first time.

In the case of this game, the town reason to have done it is: ???
There's nothing I can think of as justification to have done it as town.

In the case of this game, the scum reason to have done it is, EITHER: you didn't, you lied and invented this as your excuse for the beetlegeus appearance, OR: you read the scum PT, were being kept up to date, and searched for your name to augment the information from the scum PT in making your appearance.

Both are fairly compelling reasons for you to have claimed to have done it, and both fit with your apparent knowledge of things you shouldn't have knowledge of.

your imagination is wild. but

Spoiler:

there's no alignment indicative reason. I was VLA, I had a couple mins, didn't want to high effort, so just searched for my name. you desperately want it to be AI to add weight to your push, but what you should be doing is to looking at the facts and judging them on their merits. But don't take advice from me of course.

I'm not going to re-tread old ground and respond to the Mastina stuff in detail.

AKA, you can't actually argue against them because they're true.

no Mastina, honestly I was bored of pointing out the weaknesses of your arguments over and over again. i figured i'd achieved the first goal of debunking them to the existent nobody paying attention would agree with them. The ultimate goal of persuading you that they were bad...was out of reach. I have the self-awareness to understand what is and is not achievable.

It's all a bit like this - superficial one-dimensional takes which don't show any evidence of balanced objective assessment.

I believe I've done a pretty damn good job in showing this is false, that my takes have plenty of evidence backing their assessment and that there is depth to them.

I completely disagree. your takes are 1-dimensional and trivial. your case on me was a bad-faith, poor-form, angle-shoot argument about me having a different VLA activity pattern here to some of my other games. Not only was your argument provably incorrect for anyone who bothered to look, but even if you were correct, you failed to make any attempt to argue why it would be alignment indicative for me to have the posting pattern I did here. Of course, you couldn't argue that, which is presumably why you didn't even try. But the idea your arguments have had any depth is laughable - you're doing little else beyond pushing me as scum without any coherent reason for

why

I would be scum.

[Battle Mage]

lol Mastina, I'm very strongly of the opinion that you are literally just throwing a townread to everyone who votes me. madness

Creature voted you and he is very much not a townread of me.

I can also describe the reasons for my townread on every slot in the game I am townreading, and none of the reasons are "I don't think they're scum with BM" or "I think their BM vote makes them town".

Try again to misrep me.

mastina you promised earlier to post a readslist and some actual analysis on people other than me, which was more than just "Player X is good coz they vote BM" which is all you've given so far.

I'd be delighted if you came good on this promise, especially if it was at the expense of wasting my time arguing with you about your non-existent case on me.

Prove to me you can do it. I believe in you.

[Bell]

Hey, sorry.
Job interview early morning tmrw. Can't focus on this rn.

Imo, Ircher's still being surface townie if you look at his reasoning for pushing against the POE pool. It's the sort of thing I'd pull if I were scum for easy town points.

[Battle Mage]

Noraa you became quite sassy.
There may be hope for you yet.

- Norwee

*flips hair*
I'll just talk to u. I like your half of the hydra.

If ur scum, u has gotta tell Ali to step up the game cuz Ali bein p transparently scummy :/

-nornor

i agree Alisae is the scummier head, but he's also the nicer head. I actually think the balance is good.

[MURDERCAT]

Come back soon Bell, good luck!

[MURDERCAT]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to see you give a readlist with thoughts at some point though

[Double the Trouble]

Alisae, stop being scummy.

- Norwee

hmm
let me think about what norwee secret i'm outing next.