PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

lol what are those reasons? the way i see it, if Pooky came in and veto'd my elim, scum are probably forced to NK me at some point. Although that would be a big play by Pooky. It's all strategy though. I maintain it seems silly to elim me here, given there's no good case on me, and I'm an active player, clearly playing to my town meta. Like, it's a no-brainer.

The only good reason for elimming me is that I'm not a power role, and elimming me here means no PRs are outted today. but the aim of the game is to elim scum.

[Polar Bear Express]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

why do I need to go first?
you are the third person to say you empathize with him after Norwee and I.
why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows you were dead set that he was softing?

I think I see why Gloria didn't like you that much.

-nornor

[mastina]

Becoming more and more ok with a BattleMage elim

Not thrilled with his approach to Double Trouble, holding a scum read on them is fine but I feel like his catch up has an ulterior motive of calling Double Trouble scummy at every opportunity for reasons that aren't all that compelling. It's like he went into his catchup with the intention of painting Double Trouble in a scummy light rather than naturally coming to that conclusion as he read.

Funnily enough, he's also projecting, by saying that *I* had the intention of painting *him* in a scummy light rather than naturally coming to that conclusion as I found evidence.

Butyeah,

And it's very CONVENIENT that he chose Double Trouble to do this to because they are apart of the Pooky's PoE and probably the most likely elimination after himself

And in Xenoblade 2 he was effortlessly town and after his latest catchup posts I'm not getting that vibe at all

This is not Battle Mage as town even remotely, and his push on Double the Trouble is TMI from him having known the elimination pool of 4 before he should've had this knowledge.

which ordinarily might be TSTBS but with FL coaching nothing would surprise me.
Ydrasse - I just dont know. Probably town based on meta, but something about the bombastic attitude here feels Flavorsome. And I think Ydrasse might be more excited about trying to one-up Pooky here.

By the way, Battle Mage.
You've repeatedly gone on record as saying, "we shouldn't townread a player for being in their town meta, because FL could be coaching them".

So if you genuinely believe that a player looking to be in their town meta cannot be trusted to be town, and IF you insist that this is your town meta (it's not)--why should we trust that when by your own logic, we shouldn't trust you to be town off of meta?

[Battle Mage]

I'd like to see you give a readlist with thoughts at some point though

eh, i dunno if there's much point me doing another readslist - i did one of sorts yesterday. if i can't even keep myself alive today, clearly my reads don't count for much.

[Battle Mage]

at some point someone should go back and figure out who started that "BM is softing" thing, and who piggybacked off it.

A problem for another day.

[MURDERCAT]

It was me I think

[Battle Mage]

It was me I think

this is all your fault murdercat

i hope you're happy with yourself

[Polar Bear Express]

So if you genuinely believe that a player looking to be in their town meta cannot be trusted to be town, and IF you insist that this is your town meta (it's not)--why should we trust that when by your own logic, we shouldn't trust you to be town off of meta?

@_@
*confusion*

-nornor

[MURDERCAT]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

why do I need to go first?
you are the third person to say you empathize with him after Norwee and I.
why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows you were dead set that he was softing?

I think I see why Gloria didn't like you that much.

-nornor

I don't even know what to say to this lol

[Battle Mage]

fair play for owning up to it though

[MURDERCAT]

It was me I think

this is all your fault murdercat

i hope you're happy with yourself

/shrug

The reasons by the way mean you still have high scum equity so I doubt the vt claim changes pooky's mind

[Polar Bear Express]

at some point someone should go back and figure out who started that "BM is softing" thing, and who piggybacked off it.

A problem for another day.

Murder started it. Dunno if I'm considered as "piggybacking off it" but eh.

-nornor

[Polar Bear Express]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

why do I need to go first?
you are the third person to say you empathize with him after Norwee and I.
why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows you were dead set that he was softing?

I think I see why Gloria didn't like you that much.

-nornor

I don't even know what to say to this lol

why can't you reply?

-nronor

[Battle Mage]

So if you genuinely believe that a player looking to be in their town meta cannot be trusted to be town, and IF you insist that this is your town meta (it's not)--why should we trust that when by your own logic, we shouldn't trust you to be town off of meta?

@_@
*confusion*

-nornor

haha i thought that was the first good point mastina made all game. Of course, as ever, it only came through her lens of "I must do everything in my power to elim BM, regardless of his alignment". But it's true, maybe me playing to my town-meta doesn't count for as much in this game. Although I suppose it depends if you think FL would coach me like that. Given my scumgame is pretty good, it seems less likely that he would try, or I would listen. And besides, I'm pretty self-aware, and do actually try and improve my game anyway, so the fact I'm still pretty obvious as town/scum isn't for lack of trying on my part.

[MURDERCAT]

why can't you reply?

Can you associate anything in that post with a reason to SR me?

[Battle Mage]

It was me I think

this is all your fault murdercat

i hope you're happy with yourself

/shrug

The reasons by the way mean you still have high scum equity so I doubt the vt claim changes pooky's mind

i dont even know what you mean by high scum equity here. as far as i can see, i've been run up for pretty much no reason. and i don't know what pooky's mind is, although agree the VT claim probably isn't going to get him too excited about keeping me around.

[Battle Mage]

at some point someone should go back and figure out who started that "BM is softing" thing, and who piggybacked off it.

A problem for another day.

Murder started it. Dunno if I'm considered as "piggybacking off it" but eh.

-nornor

i'd actually give you reprieve, given you didn't then use it as a stick to beat me with. There's no benefit to you approaching it the way you did if you were scum.

[Polar Bear Express]

why can't you reply?

Can you associate anything in that post with a reason to SR me?

I think ur doing things you wouldn't do as town and the reason is because you want to look good after this BM flip. If it flips red, I think u've been very over-explainy and mushy around the BM wagon which makes you a very likely partner. If it flips green, ur probs still scum anyways.

Like you've kinda been like "BM is scummy. Let's lim Noraa today"

In translation, "I agree with consensus but I think we ought to not go with it"

I don't think u've been indecisive or conflicted. I think you've been derailing in a very sneaky way.

Most peoples stances are very clear but sometimes switch but urs have been "I support but imma go elsewhere anyways"

-nornor

[mastina]

@Ircher

RE reads list
You have a lot of scum reads and scum leans, no? I count 8 people you seen actively worried about.

I had nine at one point, so I'm not too concerned about that, so long as he hones in and refines it. (Also, on D1, I find that an acceptable scumpool is double the number of scum in the game. This game has 4, so 8 scumreads on D1 is acceptable, although ideal is ~6.)

[Battle Mage]

also, people criticising me for using AtE and pleading for my life, please BEAR in mind....

this is unfamiliar territory for me.

[MURDERCAT]

i dont even know what you mean by high scum equity here. as far as i can see, i've been run up for pretty much no reason. and i don't know what pooky's mind is, although agree the VT claim probably isn't going to get him too excited about keeping me around.

Me neither really but I assume if Pooky was unhappy with the current state of things he would have done something about it, no? Rather than make you claim

[MURDERCAT]

If it flips red, I think u've been very over-explainy and mushy around the BM wagon which makes you a very likely partner. If it flips green, ur probs still scum anyways.

Lol

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm willing to go on BM after pooky finishes the whole exit interview thingie.
BM's right tho. I gotta get the hammer to keep the tradition going
If BM flips green, I take zero responsibility whatsoever. Don't care what happens. I'm not claiming even the slightest bit of responsibility.
If BM flips red, U-U I wants to take a little bit of ze credit :3 and also I'm going 200 mph after Murder. There is no reason to have his terrible stance around the BM wagon.

-nornor

[Battle Mage]

i dont even know what you mean by high scum equity here. as far as i can see, i've been run up for pretty much no reason. and i don't know what pooky's mind is, although agree the VT claim probably isn't going to get him too excited about keeping me around.

Me neither really but I assume if Pooky was unhappy with the current state of things he would have done something about it, no? Rather than make you claim

yeah i'm inclined to agree. I think the gamestate is pretty unhealthy, as most scum are probably sitting back while i'm on deathrow, and maybe 1 or 2 others are fanning the flames, but who knows for sure? for me, I can't do much more than defend myself and make the case for me not dying, and it's in Pooky's hands. But if he elims me without talking to me directly, that's a complete waste when I think he can read me correctly here.

[Battle Mage]

I'm willing to go on BM after pooky finishes the whole exit interview thingie.
BM's right tho. I gotta get the hammer to keep the tradition going
If BM flips green, I take zero responsibility whatsoever. Don't care what happens. I'm not claiming even the slightest bit of responsibility.
If BM flips red, U-U I wants to take a little bit of ze credit :3 and also I'm going 200 mph after Murder. There is no reason to have his terrible stance around the BM wagon.

-nornor

is that coz u actually think im scum? i don't think you get any credit if you hammer me whilst actually thinking i would flip red.

i kinda feel like the exit interview might not even be a thing. and yeah, doesnt make sense for Pooky to ask me to claim if he wasn't minded to elim me. No idea why he would want to elim me. Maybe he has some bad masons who are giving him bad reads.