Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Ydrasse]

my heart hurts from these pooky posts

it's harder for me than it is for you

is it because you’re scum without me this time?

[Ydrasse]

Scum didn’t know they would be treestumped, also having the top 3 wagons on scum is a huge risk.

I think its a reasonable assumption.

why is that? numbers game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it because you’re scum without me this time?

you know I'm not scum darling

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is that? numbers game?

theres 6 scum in a 13 player game

they know they probably don't win after 2 mis-elims - because that never passes review and is incredibly unbalanced.

they know the town is all VTs so no killing power.

the logical conclusion from that is there will be some scum treestumping to bring the game back into a winnable game-state - hence they need to set up associatives for after the "reveal"

[team rocket queen]

Scum didn’t know they would be treestumped, also having the top 3 wagons on scum is a huge risk.

I think its a reasonable assumption.

do you think it is relevant to this that flea stressed that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties? or that isis said town treestumps seemed likely/possible again but non-town treestumps did not?

[Ydrasse]

is it because you’re scum without me this time?

you know I'm not scum darling

Pooky my darling i am scumreading you as we speak

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think it is relevant to this that flea stressed that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties? or that isis said town treestumps seemed likely/possible again but non-town treestumps did not?

I don't remember either of these statements and I would need to see them in context to give an actual response to this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky my darling i am scumreading you as we speak

that's fine i'm ok being dead

[team rocket queen]

do you think it is relevant to this that flea stressed that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties? or that isis said town treestumps seemed likely/possible again but non-town treestumps did not?

I don't remember either of these statements and I would need to see them in context to give an actual response to this.

here is flea stressing that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties and the discussion that followed:

Spoiler:

I really don't get why TGP thought there was ways to get mechanical guilties or thinks there's some weird PR for town because of the "All town are vt!"

I really don't get why TGP thought there was ways to get mechanical guilties or thinks there's some weird PR for town because of the "All town are vt!"

i do not really understand why you continue to say things like this when you are aware that it is likely the game will change in large way. like it feels like you're trying to give the impression you think we're playing an all-vanilla double-day game even though you know that we are not.

All town are vanilla, I know nothing about silent star except something weird happens.

Are mid game role changes a thing?

And yes, for now I'm on vanilla double day because frankly I've no other information to go off. If TGP flipped red then we know something funky was definitely going to happen. They flipped green.

Endless spec talk isn't going to get us anywhere at this point.


pedit: I know we were in a game together, Ydrasse has been disengaged, gypyx has been sporadic, skitter posts in chunks and I miss hoppy </3

was there a reason you asked me about the setups to the first two silent star games earlier then? like i explained that in the first the big twist was that the werewolves were actually the town of lunacy and that in menagerie after the post restricted phases and the first elimination we cut to a two treestump three lover-pairs situation even though in that game all we knew of at the beginning was post-restricted vanilla,

I know nothing about silent star except something weird happens.

like, you know this, and you asked me about the setups earlier, but still you're saying 'can't possibly think of why thegoldenparadox might think there is the possibility of mechanical guilties!' it just seems like it doesn't really add up to me

but still you're saying 'can't possibly think of why thegoldenparadox might think there is the possibility of mechanical guilties!'

even after they flipped

Curiosity. At no point did you mention all town were vanilla town in either game that I recall. If you did I missed it


pedit: Launching cops into a game like this seems weird to me. Looking at the theme.

ppedit: preflip, it was potential scum info. Post flip, they were town, it couldn't be.

in the first the town were not vanilla, we were werewolves and thought we were on two-person scumteams. in the second we were vanilla until we weren't.

does a public cop also seem out of the realm of possibility to you?

it just feels kinda agenda based when you are saying 'dunno why they thought this was a possibility' after they flip even though you also have reason to suspect it might be possible

like either to enforce the 'oh i was so sure of that too' or to enforce the 'i think we are playing vanilla doubleday' perception

Correct me if i'm wrong, 1 was Lunacy and 2 was menagerie?

yes

Royalty, nothing yet. Looking at flavour, we're more olde times than modern times.
Doc: Probably a plague style doc, CPR maybe?
Trackers and Watchers are a possibility
Guards are likely bodyguards or docs mechanically

Cops wouldn't really fit well in the flavour we have so far. i'll go back over it though and have a look.

trackers can also give mechanical guilties. and it seems pretty easy to flavour a public cop check to any setting really. like this happens and these players alignments are revealed or we vote for it like happened in one of the mystery boxes.

1 thing you might not know about silent star 2 is that hectic lied to me in my mafia role PM and told me I had a factional nightkill when it was not true.

i in fact did not know this. our good friend 'there might be other bastard elements'

Was there a message saying all town had recieved a vanilla pm?

from silent star: menagerie:

this game is confirmed to be all vanilla in terms of power.

I didn't see that bit you quoted, so then I would assume that vanilla in terms of power means there's no outward abilities, such as cops or docs but potentially linked abilities or something that trades something for something else. for example the bodyguard role which dies when the target is killed.

I don't feel there's any way for a mechanical guilty to happen at all having seen that.

i think it means that there is no player given the role 'cop' but there is still plenty of ways for there to be a mechanical guilty. there were mechanical innocents in that game i really don't see how you are ruling out the possibility of mechanical guilties here.

Vanilla in terms of power.

treestump is conf but cant vote.
Lover pairs, what was the configuration for that? TT, SS or was ST an option? Either way, it balanced.

Meanwhile this is all town have a vanilla PM.

right so why can't there be a triggered event like in silent star ii? or why can't there be a vote to public cop like in whichever mystery box that was? i feel like you're continuing to interpret what i am saying as 'someone has the role pm cop' when i am not.

and here is isis saying that the town treestumps (mechanical innocents) seemed likely to return but non-town treestumps (mechanical guilties) were unlikely:

I didn't see that bit you quoted, so then I would assume that vanilla in terms of power means there's no outward abilities, such as cops or docs but potentially linked abilities or something that trades something for something else. for example the bodyguard role which dies when the target is killed.

I don't feel there's any way for a mechanical guilty to happen at all having seen that.

i think it means that there is no player given the role 'cop' but there is still plenty of ways for there to be a mechanical guilty. there were mechanical innocents in that game i really don't see how you are ruling out the possibility of mechanical guilties here.

You're right that nothing keeps a game with surprise midgame events from having mechanical guilties.
It probably doesn't have mechanical guilties though, because this was posted not too long before or after this game was designed

100% agree. I also dislike the use of regular cops, I don't think it's particularly rewarding when scum is caught with an inescapable guilty.

I think mechanical innocents are likely to make a comeback though.

[team rocket queen]

here is flea stressing that fae did not understand why thegoldenparadox thought there could be mechanical guilties and the discussion that followed:

i only quoted it from my side with flea's quotes embedded in my replies as to not double post all of the same statements, hopefully it is easy enough to follow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont think isis was talking about scum treestumps - her belief of mech guilties seems more tied to cop investigations which she thinks hectic would not include.

I'm not sure right now what I think of flea's comments to TGP, it feels like Flea wants to maintain this excuse almost for launching TGP even after TGP has already been flipped?

What do you think?

[team rocket queen]

I dont think isis was talking about scum treestumps - her belief of mech guilties seems more tied to cop investigations which she thinks hectic would not include.

it is tough for me to separate the two in this instance because she was talking about the town treestumps as the mechanical innocents from the previous game.

I'm not sure right now what I think of flea's comments to TGP, it feels like Flea wants to maintain this excuse almost for launching TGP even after TGP has already been flipped?

What do you think?

that is what it felt like at the time to me. like flea either wanted to maintain the excuse for the vote or to draw attention to their view of the game being vanilla doubleday; which infinity also said it was reasonable to function as if it were vanilla doubleday, i mostly asked you because infinity said that the conspirators did not know they would be treestumped, and you replied that you thought it was reasonable for the conspirators to assume they would be treestumped, and thus previous discussions about treestumping might be relevant.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it is tough for me to separate the two in this instance because she was talking about the town treestumps as the mechanical innocents from the previous game.

yes but the Hectic quote is about cop guilties so that's what I assume she is talking about.

[team rocket queen]

it is tough for me to separate the two in this instance because she was talking about the town treestumps as the mechanical innocents from the previous game.

yes but the Hectic quote is about cop guilties so that's what I assume she is talking about.

if isis were a conspirator, i believe she would have also been thinking about scum-treestumps at the time she said that, due to there being six conspirators, all of which needed to survive the first two eliminations, which would otherwise grant them a majority.

[Infinity 324]

Jessie, if I'm scum with flea why do I vote gypyx when I already justified a vote on hopkirk? The situation ended up looking awful for tweet and flea when if I kept my vote I could've saved one of them from that suspicion.

[team rocket queen]

Jessie, if I'm scum with flea why do I vote gypyx when I already justified a vote on hopkirk?

so it is like, if you are a conspirator, then the wagon there is almost all conspirators and you still need more conspirators to join it, and i am active at the time, and i have previously said that i am wary or your stance towards gypyx, as well as pooky's, and that i saw reasons that hopkirk might be okay to vote, and it seems possible that your vote was meant to get a town to switch their vote instead of forcing a conspirator to switch their vote

[team rocket queen]

wary or

wary of*

[team rocket queen]

i am wary or your stance towards gypyx, as well as pooky's

and skitter's

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if isis were a conspirator, i believe she would have also been thinking about scum-treestumps at the time she said that, due to there being six conspirators, all of which needed to survive the first two eliminations, which would otherwise grant them a majority.

I don't think she's scum because I wouldn't put Isis into F2 over some of the others - she is barely engaged with the game right now and I don't think she would volunteer to continue on.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do recognize the scum team are not in a great position if they are actually all voting hopkirk at end of day yesterday and might have no good choices.

[Flea The Magician]

*yawns*
Eugh you're going to make me WIFOM... ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

Spoiler: WIFOM if I'm scum, truth if I'm town.

All I'm saying is scum me optimal play was to leave it alone and pretend to be offline. My online presence doesn't show so it would've be easy to do. The hopkirk lim would've gone through regardless. '(ᗒᗣᗕ)՞

Me hammering that as scum is freaking stupid on a whole new lever, lets face it. (－‸ლ)

Lets say I am scum, why the fuck would be left alive instead of ANY OF THEM after doing something like that? Scum didn't know what was happening after either according to Hectic so it was doubly stupid. ಠ▃ಠ

Even hoppy<3 knew that, yeah he was pissed. he still believed I was town though. I had my "No LHF" policy running, hopkirk gave a lot of information, and you know if anyone was taking my hoppy down, it was going to be me.

Why would I put all the "effort" into being town, just to YEET it like that? (*-ω-)

And then, why would I be compliant in not being a dancer and becoming bulletproof when as scum that's a freaking optimal position to be in? Especially when I've been so consistently TR'd right up to that hammer?
Ydrasse has literally lurked her way through D1
Pooky has been slinging dirt and not following up then started yeeting everything out of the pram.
Isis has inconsistencies which have been blatantly pointed out.
Jessie is like 95% IIoA
Gloria's been literal "OMG LAMIST" and AtE'ing
Infinity is the only one I can genuinely say I could locktown pre-paranoia.

Let's face it though, this is WIFOM to be discarded if I'm scum, truth if I'm town. I can maybe AtE if you want instead appealing to logic.

Spoiler: AtE - not to be considered unless you genuinely think it's worth considering, I dislike using it but if people like it, here it is.

I've played frankly my best game ever here, regardless of my alignment. If all that is coming undone because I thought sod it lets have a giggle moment, then frankly I'm just going to literally half arse any more games I play because I can't win if I try and filter my brain, can't win if I just brainspew and play for fun, so there would literally be zero point in me doing anything. This has been my best game because I've had fun, I've been able to play here and have fun regardless of my pain and meds issues.

So just thank you everyone for that.

Infinity was on my line of thinking though seeing if Gypyx was exploitable.
Also I doubt you'll get Infinity and Gloria willing to work together despite them both being town.

why are you shading like, almost everyone if you’re town?

Can't tell me its not true though. Ya'll wanna jump on me for having a giggle and ending a day 4 minutes early, as someone who was pretty much a hard TR maybe look around. ヽ༼ ツ ༽ﾉ

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah reads change, that's a freaking hard shift from wide TR to USR - especially when the hammered has said himself he still locktowns me.

(Yeah I use dead peoples reads, people don't do that enough)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because it doesnt make sense for scum to risk having gypyx at E-1 when you can just lol-hammer for game over.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you went from wide TR to USR because some things about the setup that we did not know are now known...

[Flea The Magician]

Scum didn't know what was going to happen either.

and we're back in wifom territory because it's literally that or AtE.