Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[ben dover123]

Wait, are you still using that Rock/mars take you had?

[clidd]

Yes, but I believe that there is another more specific reason as well.

[clidd]

so who's scum?

This.

[clidd]

im doing fine bendover, love your name btw

This.

[ben dover123]

so who's scum?

This.

Isn't that like how he usually approaches games?

[clidd]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

1) third. i was town both times
2) im neutral
4) i'd say a 11 but thats just me being humble ig

This.

[clidd]

VOTE: Lavarmanos
that's the first scum

And this.

[ben dover123]

Wha? I'm not sure how this is scummy...

Although that last post is kind of odd for sure...

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: lunar martian

hope that's a hammer, you're killing me here

[clidd]

He gave me a feeling of exaggerated self-confidence, in the sense that he entered the game already in an advanced period of time (200+ posts) and, by default, he should be very uninformed about what was happening in the game, so , he would obviously have a harder time extracting reads. He demonstrated this' 'uncertainty' 'in post 217. But as you follow the next posts, he seems to act more and more confident and approaching the game in a relaxed way, as if nothing concerned him (an instance that is contrary to' “I'm in a 200-page game and I have no idea who is scum.” This self-confidence in post 221 is also very clear, where he evaluates the scumreading itself very highly.

It may just be a personal impression, but in my experience with newbie games (a lot between 1990 and 2020), this trusting behavior was usually reproduced by players with some kind of power (PR or mafia), who were unconsciously comfortable showing who were confident in themselves.

[clidd]

VOTE: lunar martian

hope that's a hammer, you're killing me here

Yeah, I knew it.

[ben dover123]

He gave me a feeling of exaggerated self-confidence, in the sense that he entered the game already in an advanced period of time (200+ posts) and, by default, he should be very uninformed about what was happening in the game, so , he would obviously have a harder time extracting reads. He demonstrated this' 'uncertainty' 'in post 217. But as you follow the next posts, he seems to act more and more confident and approaching the game in a relaxed way, as if nothing concerned him (an instance that is contrary to' “I'm in a 200-page game and I have no idea who is scum.” This self-confidence in post 221 is also very clear, where he evaluates the scumreading itself very highly.

It may just be a personal impression, but in my experience with newbie games (a lot between 1990 and 2020), this trusting behavior was usually reproduced by players with some kind of power (PR or mafia), who were unconsciously comfortable showing who were confident in themselves.

Oohhh...That kind of makes sense.

VOTE: lunar martian

hope that's a hammer, you're killing me here

...

[clidd]

I should have unvoted so we could talk longer.

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: Why am I so reluctant over hammering people
I have to get rid of this nagging habit of not hammering my SR's.

Yeah, who knows what will happen during the night.

[clidd]

I think BM was scumclaiming there, but let's see.

[ben dover123]

I think BM was scumclaiming there, but let's see.

Wait, what do you mean?

[clidd]

VOTE: lunar martian

hope that's a hammer, you're killing me here

^

[ben dover123]

Eh..I'm not sure that is a scumclaim but.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.12 (Final)

[5] Lunar Martian (clidd, LoneMarkhor, Chumbo, Rockhopper, Battle Mage)

[1] Battle Mage (Lunar Martian)
[1] clidd (Trendall)
[1] LavarManos (ben dover123)
[1] Rockhopper (LavarManos)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

An elimination has been reached. Flip incoming.

[borkjerfkin]

Lunar Martian,

Vanilla Townie,

was eliminated Day 1.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Night actions are due in (expired on 2020-12-11 15:30:00)

[borkjerfkin]

Trendall,

Town Cop,

was killed Night 1.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Day 2 begins.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 2.0

[7] Not Voting (Battle Mage, ben dover123, Chumbo, clidd, LoneMarkhor, Rockhopper, LavarManos)

With 7 alive, it is 4 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-18 15:30:00)

[ben dover123]

First

Post coming soon.

[ben dover123]

Sigh...rip Trendall, but he was basically dead anyways.

Tier list:

Tier I (No scum):

ben dover123, LoneMarkhor

Tier II (Maybe 1 scum, but not scumteam):

clidd, LavarManos

Tier III (At least 1 scum, possibly scumteam)

Rockhopper, Chumbo, BM

My PoE: {LavarManos, Rockhopper, Chumbo, BM}
Possible scumteams:
{LavarManos, Chumbo}
{LavarManos, BM}
{Rockhopper, BM}
{Chumbo, BM}

{LavarManos, Rockhopper} is just not possible since Lavar put Rock at E-1 with intent to hammer.
{Chumbo, Rockhopper} isn't likely since I doubt Chumbo would put Rock at E-2, then when Rock reaches E-1 he doesn't unvote.
{BM, clidd} isn't likely since BM never removed his vote on clidd.

Spoiler: Clidd

clidd has been weird all game long. His actions just don't match his vt playstyle, but I think I have finally reached a conclusion on him.

First of all, if clidd knows the setup is double goons, then he has a 1/3 chance of getting a 2 goons + 1 cop + 6 vt's setup, and a 2/3 chance of outing another PR. This alone cannot make him partners with a newbie since I doubt he would ever let a newbie try to deepwolf when he has outed a PR. Therefore, the only possible team now that has clidd is {BM, clidd}

Second of all, clidd could rolefish and just stay away from claiming. It's a lot safer, and tons easier for his teammate.

Third of all, {BM, clidd} isn't actually that likely in my eyes, because BM never unvoted clidd, which I don't quite understand. Sure, BM was awkward when talking to clidd, but he didn't unvote which I think ruins the possibility of a {BM, clidd} team.

Finally, analyzing the time of the claim:
Y'see, clidd claims when he was at E-3, with Rock's wagon coming out of E-1. If clidd was scum, there is literally no motivation to claim here as such a risky play, which makes clidd even more town.
I think this may be doctor clidd trying to get our attention to work with him here. Scum clidd doing all the above things is just so unrealistic.

Conclusion: clidd is town, BM has a 3/4 chance of being scum, we can prove BM is scum if we prove that either Lavar or Chumbo is town.

[ben dover123]

pagetop

We have had our differences clidd, but let us work together here. I believe you are town in good faith, and BM has a high chance of being scum. Not confscum, but a very high chance.