Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Flea The Magician]

Hurry up and form your dances, lets get this over with.

I'm 100% done here.

[team rocket queen]

I didn't remember Pooky using the shovel metaphor when I read it though,

I am literally the only person here trying to dig you out of the hole you dug for yourself.

jessie earlier in the game you said you don't want plurality elim to decide any elims. I don't play many offsite games but I was alive in an offsite game at the time with plurality lims in effect and the players were saying stuff about how letting the game go to plurality had some hammertesty dynamics and could be kind of information rich. It also had RNG tiebreakers (lol) but it sounded like that wasn't strictly the basis for plurality elims being good.

I feel more able to speak franker about it now that the game ended, could you explain why plurality elims feel bad to you? Skimming your iso and seeing the TGP vote is what made the topic come to mind so that context is what I'd like to hear the most step by step for

it felt like some of the players i was most suspicious of might have been playing towards that by stalling the game out or moving the wagons around when they started gaining momentum in a way that didn't feel particularly natural to me and i couldn't think of a reason that i would possibly be playing towards a plurality elimination in that situation so it seemed bad to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We essentially have 4 eliminations. We control the yeet today, we can leave the next 2 susp players for the NK/yeet tommorrow. That brings us to F4 where scum shoot and then we have 1 last elimination.

I think we can find 3 pureTown goods. I have faith in us.

Do you no longer think that’s me, Jessie, Infinity?

it doesnt matter what I think if you three do not agree. i will not be alive to enforce this solve.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sooo legitimate excuses for weird plays:

- I know my role PM, I admit I screwed up. I'm sorry:
- I was drunk!

Illegitimate and condemnable excuses for weird plays:
- Painfog
- Chaos
- Generally being an unpredictable player.
- 4 mins before deadline where the optimal play WAS TO PRETEND TO BE OFFLINE.

Good to know.

flea if you are actually town you need to stop lamisting and figure out who the deepwolf in the townblock is because lamisting doesnt help anyone.

saying im done over and over isnt moving the game state foward in any way

we probly die here but if we figure out who the baddie is they have a chance later.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not even trying to LAMIST. I've accepted my doom.

Hopkirks reads say look at Isis.
My solve is you and Ydrasse.

[Flea The Magician]

The post you quoted is me being (understandably I would hope) salty af about some of the justifications offered for bad plays.

Who would win?

UTR to lockscum and todays elim in 1 post.

VS

Consistent messy and scummy play, several points poked out and dismissed. and an apology.

Hmmm....

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not even trying to LAMIST. I've accepted my doom.

Hopkirks reads say look at Isis.
My solve is you and Ydrasse.

your solve is wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im literally telling you, you are wrong and you need to go back and look at what happened and figure out the actual answer


its better you do it now when im alive than later when I am dead.

[Isis]

Isis why didn't you move your vote all of the last day before the deadline?

Hopkirk was the elimination I wanted

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why did you want to eliminate Hopkirk ?

why didn't you try to get any of us to vote for Hopkirk during the last 18ish hours before deadline?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not even trying to LAMIST. I've accepted my doom.

Hopkirks reads say look at Isis.
My solve is you and Ydrasse.

your solve is wrong

So is yours.

[Flea The Magician]

im literally telling you, you are wrong and you need to go back and look at what happened and figure out the actual answer


its better you do it now when im alive than later when I am dead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats literally why i am spending so much time trying to figure this out...

[Flea The Magician]

So this are the final wagons...

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Flea The Magician

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Ydrasse,

Hopkirk

, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

Assuming scum were being smarty pants and one of them actually did join the gypyx wagon, that puts one of each side as the remaining buddies.

Hopkirk	Gypyx
Isis	Gloria
Pooky	Ydrasse
Flea	Jessie
	Infinity

Assume all scum were on hopkirk (unlikely):
Isis + Pooky.

Assume scum split themselves (most likely):
Pooky + Ydrasse.

Assume 2 scum on Gypyx (most unlikely but not impossible):
Jessie + Ydrasse

[Isis]

why did you want to eliminate Hopkirk ?

why didn't you try to get any of us to vote for Hopkirk during the last 18ish hours before deadline?

I didn't feel like I could articulate my point further. I wasnt current on the thread during the last few hours, I liked the break. It was plurality so I didn't need to worry about no-elim or anything

[Isis]

Assume scum split themselves (most likely):
Pooky + Ydrasse.

Why isn't it Pooky+Jessie? You said you don't think her approach to the game seems townie to you all day 1 and 2, and to me this phase has been more of the same from Jessie while Ydrasse's play is a marked improvement.

[Flea The Magician]

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis, skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Flea The Magician

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Ydrasse, Hopkirk, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Flea The Magician

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Ydrasse

,

Hopkirk, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet

,

PookyTheMagicalBear, Flea The Magician

,

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Ydrasse

,

Hopkirk

,

team rocket queen

,

Infinity 324

Sceanrio 2 is the most likely, assume I'd refused to vote at that point. It wouldn't have changed anything.

[Flea The Magician]

Assume scum split themselves (most likely):
Pooky + Ydrasse.

Why isn't it Pooky+Jessie? You said you don't think her approach to the game seems townie to you all day 1 and 2, and to me this phase has been more of the same from Jessie while Ydrasse's play is a marked improvement.

I really think me and jessie are literally just a play style clash. Ydrasse has done nothing but lurk.

Given the 4 stumped players were lurkers...

After that first elimination, with 6 scum against 5 town, there was no pressure for them. Ydrasse made a whole lot of promises and didn't come back in phase 2, same as gypyx was doing.

Now the pressures on.

Now she's here.

[Isis]

Have I had the math for deadline plurality on evens wrong? If fae voted Gypx at the end, Hopkirk still would have died because the Hopkirk wagon reached it's strength first?

[Flea The Magician]

If I had voted gypyx, they would have died.

if I say this again I'm just going to supersize it.

with that many players in, I wasn't willing to vote lurkers or LHF. Turns out that was a super bad call given 4 scum flips were lurkers pretty much.

[team rocket queen]

Have I had the math for deadline plurality on evens wrong?

it is last not first:

what happens if nobody is voting at the deadline?

Good question.

@mod?

and please no lime green thanks. <3

The last person with a vote will be the launch. Any unresolvable cases will result in a random town launch. No launch is not possible!

[team rocket queen]

Sceanrio 2 is the most likely, assume I'd refused to vote at that point. It wouldn't have changed anything.

i think 1 is more likely than 2

[Flea The Magician]

Sceanrio 2 is the most likely, assume I'd refused to vote at that point. It wouldn't have changed anything.

i think 1 is more likely than 2

Ydrasse was saying she was going to hammer. Had I not, it would've been all scum wagon.

Let's remove my vote and swap in ydrasse.

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis, skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Hopkirk, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet,

PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Hopkirk

,

team rocket queen

,

Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet

,

PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

,

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Hopkirk

,

team rocket queen

,

Infinity 324

In this case then situation 1 is most likely to me and feel 3 is impossible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I had voted gypyx, they would have died.

if I say this again I'm just going to supersize it.

with that many players in, I wasn't willing to vote lurkers or LHF. Turns out that was a super bad call given 4 scum flips were lurkers pretty much.

Flea,

I'm not trying to crucify you for your mistake. I have made a worse mistake by switching.

I am trying to understand what the scum team was thinking if you are actually town here. How did the scum team know you wouldn't hammer Gyp? If I don't understand that I can't get to the point where I think you are town. So if you are town here you need to explain to me how the scum team could risk you not hammering for 3 hours and make that risk make sense.

[Ydrasse]

Sceanrio 2 is the most likely, assume I'd refused to vote at that point. It wouldn't have changed anything.

i think 1 is more likely than 2

Ydrasse was saying she was going to hammer. Had I not, it would've been all scum wagon.

Let's remove my vote and swap in ydrasse.

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis, skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Hopkirk, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet,

PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Hopkirk

,

team rocket queen

,

Infinity 324

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis

,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet

,

PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

,

HAMMER

[4] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary

,

Hopkirk

,

team rocket queen

,

Infinity 324

In this case then situation 1 is most likely to me and feel 3 is impossible.

i had asked if i needed to hammer (because gonna be real, i forgot about plurality + would rather get an elim through than not) while very much protesting the elim that i would have to hammer given that i thought hopkirk was town? and had throughout the day?