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[lilith2013]

I thought you were townreading noraa, what changed?

um it's literally in the post you are quoting. 615 is scummy to me.

I guess really what I want to ask is how strong of a townread did you have on her before?

I'm thinking about moving my vote over but I want to see how baltar reacts.

right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?

That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?

[lilith2013]

right now he's saying it's scummy but he's still voting for gamma? that's kind of weird?

Ill answer this one since it's the most current, but this also gets at lillith's question.

So last night after noraa posted that, I asked her in the PT to explain because I wanted to give her a chance to talk it out without the pressure of the full game coming down.

I asked essentially "why did you make that post?"

She said initially it was kind of a shit post she didn't think through, but then added some defense of it.

I said, it seems pretty scummy to say you'd be willing to yeet anyone in the lim pool who isn't you. And she then said she didn't care, that's how she felt and that she didn't trust me.

That's why I posted last night that she was being weirdly defensive.

I didn't really have scum vibes from Noraa's posts before this, but I'd be willing to yeet her now. To immediately turn a private chance to explain your actions without judgement into a super defensive attack doesn't feel like a town mindset to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: noraa

Re: gamma - I still don't have a town read on him and I'm slightly worried noraa is flailing and it is helping take pressure off a scum, but her actions are super weird here.

Did this all happen before or after 666?

[lilith2013]

I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

Oh how my reads change.

TR gamma.

UNVOTE:

Noraa, why does this post make you townread gamma?

[VP Baltar]

Did this all happen before or after 666?

Before. It is what led me to post that in the thread.

[VP Baltar]

I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma

Really? I talked about scummy things I saw from him a few times, even if it wasnt formatted as a case per se

[lilith2013]

okay I’ll go look again

[VP Baltar]

The summation is basically:

1) I thought his push on your RVS comment was BS.

2) His self vote reeked of trying to relieve pressure through AtE.

3) He has agreed Pooky's takes in a pretty blanket way without providing any critical review or original insight about those positions.

[Noraa]

I don't flail as scum until lylo unless there are large amounts of pressure on me.

[Noraa]

Saying stupid things isn't exactly AI for me.
Being defensive isn't AI for me.
Being scummy is however.
I never die day 1 as scum. Not once.
Half my town games however end on day 1 for me.

[Noraa]

Yeah Lilith I think cake is scum for not being scummy enough.

A shit ton of players on this site play more scummy as town and more towny as scum. Cake is one of them.

The fact that no one SRs him except me when we're already on page 28 is a huge red flag. I've basically only seen Cake die day 1 as town.

[Noraa]

The other part of the meta is that he just feels off here. Hard to describe but anyone that's played with him should be able to feel it to a certain extent.

[VP Baltar]

I get that, and that's my concern here. I just really don't get being defensive toward me when I was just asking for your thought process without it being an attack. I also don't get saying "hey I would like to have a transparent neighborhood, let's try to trust each other as much as possible" and then saying you'll yeet me when I've been 100% transparent.

-pedit @noraa above

[Noraa]

Btw tomorrow I am instachallenging Cake's team if im still alive.

Y'all want transparency. That is exactly what im doing tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

Lol fml.

Noraa, why are you going off? This is really not helpful if you're town

[SirCakez]

.. don't really get the scumreads on cakes. Is noraa calling him scum because he's not scummy enough? What is this logic?

this reminds me that lilith has felt weirdly absent this game? which would normally be a bad sign for me but I'm not how much of this is IRL stuff

Saying stupid things isn't exactly AI for me.
Being defensive isn't AI for me.
Being scummy is however.
I never die day 1 as scum. Not once.
Half my town games however end on day 1 for me.

you die day 2 as scum tho :>)

[Noraa]

I get that, and that's my concern here. I just really don't get being defensive toward me when I was just asking for your thought process without it being an attack. I also don't get saying "hey I would like to have a transparent neighborhood, let's try to trust each other as much as possible" and then saying you'll yeet me when I've been 100% transparent.

-pedit @noraa above

I first started thinking u were scum when UT posted a case on me.

I found the case absolutely ridiculous and just like a tiny amount of time before I had told you I was worried about getting limmed day 1.

After I said that to you, a bunch of people openly voiced TRs on me and I was like Huh this is strange.

Then suddenly out of nowhere a shit case pops up and my first thought was "Did VP tell him i was an easy target?"

I haven't been entirely transparent in the pt bc I don't trust u entirely and I feel like that's reasonable and you can't expect full transparency.

[SirCakez]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

[Noraa]

you die day 2 as scum tho :>)

Once when I was guiltied and once because Cabd is a god.

[Noraa]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why don't you support the pooky wagon then?

Ur just trying to justify a vote on me here.

Ur scum.

[VP Baltar]

Then suddenly out of nowhere a shit case pops up and my first thought was "Did VP tell him i was an easy target?"

I haven't been entirely transparent in the pt bc I don't trust u entirely and I feel like that's reasonable and you can't expect full transparency.

You understand how bonkers that sounds, right?

And as town, yes I expect transparency in my neighborhood. Scum can't be transparent because they'll get caught. I know I have nothing to hide and I'm totally fine being transparent.

If I was scum, why would I need UT to do my dirty work? I could push for your yeet very easily, and it would have made my own game pretty simple after the challenge.

You're being extremely paranoid if you're town and it's not helpful.

(On the plus side Pooky, you've ruined our marriage and we aren't talking in the PT Team monkey needs counseling!)

[Noraa]

Lol fml.

Noraa, why are you going off? This is really not helpful if you're town

Because im annoyed I posted a shit post and im annoyed that im probably gonna die day 1 for the fifth time or some shit like that this month.
It's so damn frustrating that no one understands that my scum game is FUCKING BETTER that this.

Literally annoying that everyone always TRs me for half of day 1 and I get my hopes up that I'll finally not fuck up a town game and then they just turn during the last like 2 days of day 1.

It's stupid. No one ever turns on me day 1 when im scum and when half the plist starts turning halfway thru day 1 it literally just means im town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

noraa who do u want to yeet today ?

[Noraa]

You understand how bonkers that sounds, right?

And as town, yes I expect transparency in my neighborhood. Scum can't be transparent because they'll get caught. I know I have nothing to hide and I'm totally fine being transparent.

If I was scum, why would I need UT to do my dirty work? I could push for your yeet very easily, and it would have made my own game pretty simple after the challenge.

You're being extremely paranoid if you're town and it's not helpful.

(On the plus side Pooky, you've ruined our marriage and we aren't talking in the PT Team monkey needs counseling!)

I literally don't care. I wanted to know if you were town and the only way was to make it seem like I was 1000% convinced you were. Only when you're relaxed can I get a somewhat accurate read.

Saying this really doesn't help me whatsoever cuz now I can't read u that way but idc that was my plan and it didn't help me cuz I still don't know >:(

[SirCakez]

i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why don't you support the pooky wagon then?

Ur just trying to justify a vote on me here.

Ur scum.

because I think Pooky is town and I also don't think he will pull this insta challenge again

[Untrod Tripod]

a lot of Noraa's defensiveness doesn't make sense

If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?