PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Creature]

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

[Spiffeh]

At this point where I don't have many scum reads I'm confident in, yes

None of your content really does it for me without even considering the meta component

town!Creature has always been super obvious to me and I don't think a recent change in your meta should also change THAT?

[Spiffeh]

That was in response to Creature

[Creature]

For god's sake man, the BM mislynch could've been pretty preventable had I had the time to prevent it.

imagine getting a doctor pm and then lol-hammering b4 the stumps says ok so you end up getting shot in the face at night by the vig and you dont even prevent the obvious nightkill.

big lulz

At least now I understand why he seemed a tad bit more aggro than I used to know from him but that still ended up fruitless.

[Creature]

town!Creature has always been super obvious to me and I don't think a recent change in your meta should also change THAT?

Then let me be obvious?

[Creature]

I'm rn at Polar Bear Express + Bell + Solstice though the first two I may need to recheck unless Flavor was feeling really ballsy.

[Spiffeh]

Ok go I'm not stopping you

PEdit: Can you explain the PBE and Bell scum reads?

[Solstice]

Tbh I wrote off noraa hydra really early because her activity this game doesn't line up at all with how I'd expect her to play as scum and she made it abundantly clear in the sign up thread that she wanted to be town this game and I don't think FL would pick her

Her enthusiasm here is so transparent and after being scum with her in Xenoblade 2 I highly doubt she'd be this active and engaged unless she was town

[Ya I think the simplest answer is this, but let us see]

These are the reasons that Noraa is scum:

1. Early tone is over the top and later shifts
2. Same response to pressure as in Death Curse
3. Gloria is too invested in attacking me, given her limited involvement

Spoiler: 1 - Tone

Noraa knows that she has a signature tone as town that is hard for her to fake as scum due to the fact that she doesn't enjoy the role. She also knows that this tone is highly effective on Pooky.

AHEM
*jumps around and hits everyone on the head with a heavy textbook*
IM CONFTOWN
I never ever thought I'd say this in this game but I am AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*does some breathing exercises*
*breathe in*
*breathe out*
*throws a slipper at murder*
I be happy. Btw atm I wanna yeet shelly to the sun just bc she scummy af. I also wanna yeet UNO to the sun for lurking big time yesterday during the scroll passing periods and alivening the moment a new day starts.
Ahem T^T Mush dont hurt me for the fluff. *hides behind murder*

There is a joyful happiness that exudes from her posting like summer rain.

This post in particular.

It feels extremely pure and innocent.

I believe that Noraa's tone this game is fake and over the top.

me wuz joking btw. me wills follow some rules

Don't use AtE. 100% scum indicative. you use that evilness to pocket me >:(
scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum
HMPH

u thought I would tunnel u. 200% scum indicative.
town!me has been proven to be able to hunt scum!alisaes.
tell the truth. ur scum again aren't you?

back for round two of Lets break Noraa's heart

NOPE. NOT IN MY GOOD CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD(im not even christian but like sh)

VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: Double the trouble

*raises my eyebrow*

O_o
o_O
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
me shalls give rvs TR lollipops to u two. I expects green apple TR lollipops back tho and they must be green apple or blue raspberry!

For your consideration, two of Noraa's town isos:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Skim through posts 1-500 in each of those games. Notice how much more exaggerated Noraa is here?

Now you might just look at those posts and think it is within Noraa's normal range, but look at page 2 in her iso.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12398736

Nothing in page 2 of the iso is anything like these first posts, suggesting to me that the tone is fake and she is having trouble keeping it up. Noraa is even aware of this and points it out:

The baby talk will be back tomorrow when I'm less sleepy

Spoiler: 2 - Response to Pressure

Noraa has trouble making up cases as scum. Look at these posts in death curse (links rather than quotes due to length):
8962
9127
9233

Now compare to the case that Noraa has on me in this game:
2513
2523

For full context, the following posts are:
2514
2524

In both cases, there is no actual analysis happening. Noraa is linking a lot of quotes, providing a superficial description of the events, and claiming that I am scum off them without actually providing any reasoning behind her claims just as she did in my last scum game with her.

Spoiler: 3 - Gloria

Before I begin this section on Gloria, it is important to point out that I am

not

making a case based on activity here. I believe that Gloria has had RL stuff going on and I don't use arguments like that because, as I said with BM, I think it's kinda shitty. However, given Gloria's lack of activity you would not expect her to 1. be particularly invested in the game and 2. have strong opinions about me. However, there are a number of instances that suggest to me that Gloria is in a scum PT and is aware of certain pushes that need to be made (currently, this refers to attacking me, in an attempt to reduce the influence that I am having on the game as I am correct about Noraa scum).

First, some evidence that Gloria shouldn't be very aware of the gamestate:

Pichu, Gloria isnt feeling well or something.

She's been talking to me a little bit about the game but methinks she's either sick or sad.

Apparently they haven't been talking very much about the game. Fair enough. Now let's look at the Gloria posts that come after this.

VOTE: Murderkitty

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

DT shading us for my not posting enough is also bas but they might actually believe it. I don’t trust murderkitty and how he’s been trying to drive a miselim without following up on the answers to the questions he asked of me. What happened to that MC? Why did you ask me those questions, then fail to follow up on them? Why didn’t you ask me to explain or elaborate on those reads? You just dropped it altogether. I want to know why and I’m not moving my vote until you explain this.

This is a strong reaction for someone barely following the game and against someone who Noraa had not really been pushing at all, no?

Well we are a hydra, so are you saying you’re townreading me?

Well I’m really trying. If you recall I think it was either my first or second post to LLD in Death Curse was I expect to be generally useless early game and I wasn’t going through that rl thing at that time. I’m not good at larges. I get lost with the sheer number of players I have to sort, pages to read etc.

I still like Ydrasee because she’s engaging a slot and Pichu and I think this is probably town! MT we’re seeing. Wrt BM I did like their sincerity but as I said before I have no meta on them and if Noraa’s right about them being TPR then it’s obviously a bad wagon.

I’m kind’ve wondering why DT has ignored my posts about my rl issues and how I even said that Pooky can confirm I’m having a rough time of it. @DT, did you just skip those posts because you called my lack of activity scum indicative despite my posts literally telling you that Pooky can verify I was telling the truth about that, so why the unwarrented shade on me for that?

This to me feels like someone who is more aware of the gamestate than they are letting on. Once again, I am not suggesting that Gloria isn't dealing with real stuff. I am suggesting she is getting info from a scum PT and has an agenda that she is pushing. There is no effort, for example, to look through my iso after accusing me to see what she has missed. To me, this is behavior from someone who is over-informed and pushing something on the thread, not a townie who is trying to get back into the game.

I may not be the greatest mafia player ever, but I know when I've caught scum. I let Pooky and mastina run the show D1 and we missed. Let me take my shot.

VOTE: Polar Bear Express

[Tone stuff like that varies wildly for me personally depending on my mood. Essentially the variable here is that Noraa had some exaggerated posts early in this game (but didn't have em later). While you might be able to say that she's getting tired of it.. you could also say that the "tired" state is actually her default and the exaggerated bits were the actual deviation]

[I have no idea if that makes any sense. The early bits are the unusual part perhaps, due to excitement for this game. So when she isn't doing it in page 2 of her ISO here, that's because she's actually town -- not because she got tired. That's my current theory about that, but lets continue]

[You make a fair point that Noraa's cases are, a lot of times, pointing at posts and saying "scummy" at them. Are you sure this is a scum-indicative trait for her, though? I'm open to hearing more about this point, but I think the parallel you are drawing here is fair.]

[I believe that Gloria's pushback on you could very well be a result of her tendency to OMGUS. She could have hyper-focused on you as a result of it, and decided you are scum, and focused mostly on that. I think Gloria will also be more readable in the future when she has more time (not saying this as a general statement, I just feel like we will probably read the hydra correctly given enough posting there)]

[Overall I lean that this is a genuine case (although I am not certain yet), but I also do not think this is enough to say Noraabear is scum.]

[I really want to think this is genuine because I also thought that particular post by Noraa defending BM was really odd earlier. Like, it felt out of place, and I think you definitely picked up on that and ran with it. But, I don't think they're scum for it anymore.]

~Morning

[Bell]

I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

I know you know I've done this as town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12212814

I never got around to meta'ing you, so no, I don't. Also, is this really a try hard case. Compared to this one I mean.

Just because you didn't say you had a case on Noraa doesn't mean you didn't line it up in a bunch of posts to swing at it today.

[Solstice]

[I figured somebody would bring up Creature's meta at some point.]

idk why you out of all players would still believe this bullshit.

Oh well you probably benefit from my mislynch anyway.

[what is this supposed to mean? I have heard that you are demotivated as scum -- although I'm obviously not sold on that one point. I recall having slight scumpings early on you so whatever I will vote it and see]

[In any case, is this your actual reasoning for suspecting me?]

~Morning

[Bell]

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

Cool.

[Blade Dancer]

Official Vote Count 2.1

Polar Bear Express

(2): MURDERCAT, Creature

Creature

: (2) Spiffeh, Solstice

MURDERCAT

(1): Bell

Not Voting

(9): pichu, Ydrasse, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake, Toogeloo, mastina, Dunnstral, Ircher, Double the Trouble

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to execute.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-22 18:21:00)[/color]

[MURDERCAT]

[You make a fair point that Noraa's cases are, a lot of times, pointing at posts and saying "scummy" at them. Are you sure this is a scum-indicative trait for her, though? I'm open to hearing more about this point, but I think the parallel you are drawing here is fair.]

I linked town isos, you are welcome to look. I haven't seen her do it as town in ... 4 games I've played with her where she was town?

[Bell]

I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

I know you know I've done this as town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12212814

I never got around to meta'ing you, so no, I don't. Also, is that* really a try hard case. Compared to this one I mean.

Just because you didn't say you had a case on Noraa doesn't mean you didn't line it up in a bunch of posts to swing at it today.

fixed.

[Double the Trouble]

where's misty

[Bell]

They're here, they're interspersed with Morning's post.

[Creature]

[I figured somebody would bring up Creature's meta at some point.]

idk why you out of all players would still believe this bullshit.

Oh well you probably benefit from my mislynch anyway.

[what is this supposed to mean? I have heard that you are demotivated as scum -- although I'm obviously not sold on that one point. I recall having slight scumpings early on you so whatever I will vote it and see]

[In any case, is this your actual reasoning for suspecting me?]

~Morning

Oh nvm you're Morning Tweet. I would believe Mistyx would be the most aware about this kind of bullshit.

[Double the Trouble]

MT play misty for me

[MURDERCAT]

I never got around to meta'ing you, so no, I don't. Also, is this really a try hard case. Compared to this one I mean.

Why are you so sure it's out of place for me then? Because it isn't.

[Bell]

Bro, you just linked me to a game where you made a single paragraph case and then tried to compare it to the one you just made.

They're totally different. *psyduck*

[Creature]

Oh energy's back

[Creature]

How do we all cope being 0-3 and still in shambles?

[Solstice]

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

[Yeah I thought this was odd, I vaguely felt like that isn't a genuine thought process from Bell suspecting Murder, but might be wrong]

[You make a fair point that Noraa's cases are, a lot of times, pointing at posts and saying "scummy" at them. Are you sure this is a scum-indicative trait for her, though? I'm open to hearing more about this point, but I think the parallel you are drawing here is fair.]

I linked town isos, you are welcome to look. I haven't seen her do it as town in ... 4 games I've played with her where she was town?

[O missed that bit somehow. Will do..]

Oh nvm you're Morning Tweet. I would believe Mistyx would be the most aware about this kind of bullshit.

[Ahhhhh okay. That makes sense because she warned me of that right after I did the vote. Im kinda giving up on the gas early but yeah, i don't think you're like, strongly scum for that point.]

~Morning

[Bell]

Creature, are you cheerleading?

[MURDERCAT]

Bro, you just linked me to a game where you made a single paragraph case and then tried to compare it to the one you just made.

They're totally different. *psyduck*

Well if you are interested in engaging with the content of the case let me know otherwise I'm gunna assume you are just scum with Noraa