PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Polar Bear Express]

Sorry Noraa, doesn't add up to me

To elaborate, this isn't tunnely I caught scum town Noraa, this is calculating scum Noraa.

I really want to vote you for this but I have to allow for the possibility that you could also be extremely confibiased town. What is clear to me is that you haven’t made any recent attempts to sort us after I answered your questions and I would expect town!you to be doing that.

[MURDERCAT]

Who, with Noraa experience, isn't townreading Noraa at all?

Hello, yes this is I believe my 6th game with Noraa and I've read most of the others.

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler:

The reason I dropped the babytalk is cuz I've been feeling super moody lately. I made some alts with more serious personalities to help me have some sort of outlet for my anger/sadness from various things. I was having one hell of a time trying to be happy this game. Im not trying to guilt trip/AtE with this but I just wanted to say that you don't understand what's happening on my side of the screen and a bubbly online personality isn't easy to keep when you're not feeling that way. I won't mention this again but I do hope you take this into account if you actually are town.

[Can confirm this is how cutesy talk works (and subsequently why that portion of the Noraa case doesn't work for me)]

Creature doesn't seem to justify any of his votes/reads which ... this may sound mean but is far less than what I expect from someone with a 2016 join date.

Ok short reads list for Ircher.

Ircher - promoted to TL
mastina - still think they are a strong TR, yesterdays entire play spewed town
Solstice - also think strong TR, yesterdays entire play also spewed town, especially the case on BM, felt extremely genuine
Pichu - demoted to TL
after these three there basically are only nulls/SRs
The most important ones imo are probably
Murder- strong SR
Double - SL
Creature- SL

Something like this?
The SRs is messy. I'm not really decided cuz I feel like a ton of people look really scummy if u sit down and think about it and there are places where Gloria didn't really agree so .. idk.

[I do really feel like Noraabear is town here. I think it's going to stay evident as we move forward as well because Noraa's scum play seems to fall apart later when she has to case the last remaining townies. i don't know how to explain this read beyond what's already been said. She's engaged and giving reads and solving etc whatever idk she's too comfortable. I also think Gloria will obvtown probably assuming theyre town]

[now I wanna know if Murder is being genuine or not because I still haven't exactly decided. Initial reaction was yes, he's genuine with this, does remind me of how Murder likes to find the scum (see D1 of death curse where he hard pushed a bunch of ppl to death). Maybe a more accurate way to describe is that he wants to "be the one who finds the scum". I got this impression from how competitive he and Pooky were in that game. Anyway, this confidence and "let me shoot my shot" attitude reminds me of that.]

[At the same time, I recall him garnering townreads for his hard confidence on a few townies being scum (and subsequent sadness when they weren't), so it's possible he's trying to emulate that again by taking a hard stance on a player who will flip town.]

He slow rolled his read of noraa to today. It's like watching someone preparing for the batting box in the deck circle. He's lining it up.
You could argue it's trejectory instead but iso him halfway at the end of the day and tell me you don't see it.

[Now here's how Bell saw it. I would kinda expect town!Murder to have a similar progression -- but I haven't read it so! let's do that. I am actually extremely interested in whether or not Murder comes off as fake]

Spoiler: MURDERCAT on Noraabear

Murder, did you draw scum? What makes you think this is obviously town!Noraa? Why does townreading Noraa rn equate to being town?

I think there is a perception that Noraa is a strong scum player, but I don't think scum Noraa would do well in this setup. I don't think Flavor took such an obvious pick, especially considering Noraa tends to not do well under pressure. Noraa is also lim bait despite her claims, and this is a pretty strong plist so there's not a lot of easy miselims, another reason FL wouldn't pick there. Also I think mastina is scummy for 25 and I expect scum to use Noraa as a place to park votes on D1. It is possible that Bell scum is being specifically coached to pocket Noraa, but I would think that scum would be a bit more subtle about it. There's also other reasons to TR Bell, like he doesn't really like playing scum.

[i am of the same opinion with regards to Noraabear being drafted. Wonder what Murder thinks of this now]

I'm pretty sure that's the extent of my Noraa knowledge.

You should skim a town iso of hers before you call her scum for blatant OMGUS

[This is really similar to one of your points against Noraa]

Noraa has trouble making up cases as scum. Look at these posts in death curse (links rather than quotes due to length):
8962
9127
9233

Now compare to the case that Noraa has on me in this game:
2513
2523

For full context, the following posts are:
2514
2524

In both cases, there is no actual analysis happening. Noraa is linking a lot of quotes, providing a superficial description of the events, and claiming that I am scum off them without actually providing any reasoning behind her claims just as she did in my last scum game with her.

[It's not exactly the same -- you are slamming her for "Terrible casing / lack of analysis", which is a bit different from blatant omgus, but still.]

[I think it is worth noting Noraa was absolutely forced into scumcasing you in Death Curse -- it was a 1v1 situation. Her resulting case was not great, likely as a result of that. here she doesn't have to do that. Additionally, 2514 and 2524 are really not the same as that Death Curse Xylo. Those two posts are meant to quote your read progression on BM and highlight why it makes you and BM have partner equity. I don't really think it's a standalone case for you being scum. Sure it's mostly quoting and summarizing, but i dont think the point was to scumcase you.]

Noraa SRing Ircher because Ircher said she is a strong town player is 10/10
And honestly I'm here for it because I think that was a weak buddy attempt.
Noraa you might actually be on this game.

[So clearly Murder wasn't planning this from the very start of the game, at least that much is evident. I see that he generally had Noraabear as townleaning]

I'm getting shivers from 1845

VOTE: Polar Bear Express

[And here we go. as a refresher:]

You know what? I think I want Double the Trouble dead today.
1) BM softed pr. theres a big possibility he'll be cleared/guiltied overnight and we'll be set and fine tomorrow without the risk of mislimmed a pr day 1. There really is no rush and if he's softing pr, we shouldn't be risking mislimming a pr. The activity argument is kind of damning but I've been criticized of not posting enough in town games before so idk how much weight I wanna put in it. I believe Mastina is passionate and believes in this read but I am not that convinced and I think theres plenty of time to sort this slot and maybe his night action can clear him, etc.
2) Double looks terrible. Each head has thrown shade and then the moment someone criticizes, the other heads like "eyyooo I don't agree with it so alls good"
3) Ircher wagon is dying and he is STILL one of my main SRs
4) Dunn is not happening today and
hold up I gtg.

[As you might recall, I had weird feelings from this post too. It felt jarring when i read it. I don't know how to describe it. To clarify now though -- this one post is not going to make me think Noraabear is scum, it's not *that* bad. It was just odd enough to make me reevaluate Noraabear for a little while.]

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

You haven't been here and I haven't even given my reasoning yet lol

This is what Murderkitty is trying to kill us over? When did not wanting to possibly risk miseliming a TPR get considered scummy?

nope

Well we are a hydra, so are you saying you’re townreading me?

I'm kinda nothing reading you because to be honest you haven't been around much. If you continue to solve then I'll reconsider the slot but for now I'm going of Noraa content and I have reason to believe she's scum for it. I'm still not going to get into it unless Pooky asks for it.

[What was the point of holding off?]

BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.

why do I need to go first?
you are the third person to say you empathize with him after Norwee and I.
why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows you were dead set that he was softing?

I think I see why Gloria didn't like you that much.

-nornor

I don't even know what to say to this lol

why can't you reply?

Can you associate anything in that post with a reason to SR me?

If it flips red, I think u've been very over-explainy and mushy around the BM wagon which makes you a very likely partner. If it flips green, ur probs still scum anyways.

Lol

[Noraabear isn't exactly responding with detailed analysis to scumread Murder, to be fair.]

Well I will be posting a Noraa case if Pooky wants it.
Though maybe it is just fine to do it, I'm not sure if there is supposed to be more with BM or not?

What do you guys think? I think his play here seems very different.

Lol did you even read the games or are you just gunna link my 4 year old isos?

[I think Norrabear are forcing a scumread on Murdercat here and I am starting to become sympathetic with murdercat interpreting this as a scumtell from them as it is reminiscent of endgame Death Curse, sure.]

Are you even reading my posts? Check the link before you embarrass yourself with this nonsence shade.

Yeah you linked a 4 year old game, said nothing about it, and linked death curse.
What in that game is like what I am doing in this game?

[It's like, yeah -- linking stuff and not saying much else is similar to what Noraa did endgame in Death Curse. She's not automatically scum for it though -- and you yourself pointed out that blatant weak OMGUS isn't a reason to scumread Noraa. Also, why would scum!Noraa feel the need to OMGUS you over town!noraa exactly? She

had

to do it in Death Curse, there was no choice. Here she could do whatever she wants and she's choosing to OMGUS but still doesnt really have to. like there's no pressure on Noraa to fake a case here -- and that's exactly why I think the case in Death Curse was so weak. Here it is

easily

driven by emotion or gut pings or whatever]

[But I see the similarity. It's not inconceivable to me that town!Murdercat sees this as scummy. Continuing]

@Pooky
Should I do the Noraa thing or should we let the solstice thing happen. Because there's like gunna be like 50 pages of ate from Noraa once I do it.
Also like, you know I'm town right? And what I'm doing? Because I want you to trust me on this Noraa case, I don't want it turned around on me.

I think Pooky feels bad. But can I offer you obv scum Noraa?

[I really am starting to lean in the direction that Murder is for real. i don't think scum!him hard pushing town!Noraa is really going to give that great of a payoff.]

Noraa we talked about this you can't just quote my iso you have to give reasons why it's scummy

[This is a direct quote from Death Curse i believe]

I am reading your posts and giving them about as much thought as I am giving FLs.
Thanks for the content though, this is exactly what I was hoping for.

This is a really shitty mindset to have but whatever.

perspective slip

[WARNING: THIS READ NEVER WORKS BUT I TRY IT ANYWAY]

[i feel like Murder is being a bit of a dick here if he's scum into town!Noraa, because this behaviour towards her isn't justified at all. like he has to actually believe he has the right to ignore her posts in order for this to not be a dick move in his eyes. BUt this read doesnt fucking work like i would think it would so whatever. Okay it works sometimes but not enough for me to be satisfied with it.]

[It's like -- he says something mean if Noraa is town, but he is so sure that she isn't, that he then proceeds to call her post where obviously her feelings are a bit hurt by it a "perspective slip". like lol]

it's not tho. It never is.

Are you TRing Noraa? Have you read 1845?

[I see that 1845 still produces a great visceral reaction deep in murdercat's gut (presumably)]

Every time
you talk to Noraa
without giving a read on her
I get closer to voting you

[Reminds me of Murder getting overconfident he has the solve D1 in Death Curse. Eerily so. is it more likely he is aware of that play and tries to emulate it, or that he is simply just playing similarly? probably the latter]

Nah I'm gunna go for Noraa still

[I mean.. he did what he said he was gonna do.]

He slow rolled his read of noraa to today. It's like watching someone preparing for the batting box in the deck circle. He's lining it up.
You could argue it's trejectory instead but iso him halfway at the end of the day and tell me you don't see it.

[Bell, you kinda describe it like he was subtle about it, or maybe I misunderstood. But Murdercat basically was yelling Noraabear is scum for the entire second half of D1, which i don't necessarily find scummy I guess. I don't interpret it as scum trying to be consistent because I feel like it'd look the same as either alignment, at the very least? this is like what i'd expect him to do either way.]
[Made it. there are a few reasons I don't think Murder is being disingenuous here..]

[A.) Shared initial bad feelings towards 1845]
[B.) Noraabear's response to his push is mostly weak OMGUS to be fair, and some parts do resemble Noraa's endgame play in Death Curse. I do

not

interpret this as scummy for her, however]
[C.) For better or for worse, the overconfidence in Noraabear being scum is just what I observed from Murdercat in Death Curse. Like he was pretty much basing his opinion on BM off of Noraa.]
[D.) I shouldn't believe in this stuff but I feel like he was being too mean to Noraa if he doesn't actually believe they're hard scum.]
[and most important E.) With regards to Bell's point that he's been lining up the Noraa push. Yes, he set the precedent for today -- it was clear this is what he was going to do. However, I don't see how that is necessarily scummy. How do you differentiate this from a townie having a strong vanity scumread D1 -> casing them overnight -> come out swinging D2? There was no subtlety to this behaviour from Murdercat, as well, like he said he was gonna do this and he did it. If Bell's point is that Murdercat kinda strategically laid back on casing Noraa until now, then I guess that is something i'm curious about. I'm not really sure what the point of holding off on saying why he thought Noraabear is scummy was, and I can see why Bell would interpret this as scummy. I see that Murdercat says it was because he wanted to let Pooky do his thing first.]

[so that's where I'm at. I ended up sticking with my initial reaction, but I am much more solid on Noraabear!town now, and I do feel that this is a real case from Murder, although I don't give that the same degree of certainty I give the Noraa read.]

[I would very much like to hear more about

Bell

's interpretation of Murder's Noraabear progression if possible as we have reached opposite conclusions. It is possible I misunderstood what you meant by "slowrolling" the read.]

[I also have a question for

Murdercat

: How does giving your reasoning for Noraabear being scum on D1 impede Pooky's ability to work? (like how you held off in 2069)]

~Morning

I just want to say that I thinks it’s funny that you’ve mixed up some of my posts with Noraa’s.

[MURDERCAT]

I didn't even open the spoiler on it to so much as skim.

You know I read your posts that you used to elim town

[MURDERCAT]

When town gets their reads wrong like yours on BM, they tend to re-evaluate. Why aren’t you? If you’re town which I’m still seriously doubting

You are seriously overstating my read on BM

[MURDERCAT]

any recent attempts to sort us

Seriously?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm taking a break from this game, let me know when you guys decide you want to elim scum

[Blade Dancer]

Official Vote Count 2.2

Polar Bear Express

(2): MURDERCAT, Toogeloo

Creature

: (4) Spiffeh, Solstice, mastina, Ydrasse

mastina

(1): Creature

Bell

(2): Ircher, Double the Trouble

Spiffeh

(1): Bell

Not Voting

(4): pichu, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake, Dunnstral,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to execute.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-22 18:21:00)

As the mod was editing the posts, she realized all the posts before contained the L word. Please PM me if I make this mistake again.[/color]

[pichu]

that maybe shutting down murder maybe isn't the play, and it would be better to watch how the thread reacts before labeling MURDER as scum?

i do MURDERCAT!

[pichu]

oops

[pichu]

my case is ready
oh god is anyone even gonna read this monstrosity

[Spiffeh]

it depends who the case is on

[Spiffeh]

jk I'm gonna read it anyway I'm so excited

[pichu]

this is the case
it's on Bell
sorry Bell - i think you had a feeling it may have been you earlier but i am unfortunately VERY confident you're scum

EARLY BEGINNINGS

Yo.

classic newbie entrance greeting tell
people missed this scumclaim?

Oh.

okay.

VOTE: Flavor leaf
Scumz, get him.

Also hi Flavorleaf, what's your favorite color? Is it red, it's red isn't it. You can tell me.

stilted interaction with the scum treestump
it just reads like theatre

You're doing good so far since you didn't pick me flavor, way to get on my good side.

this also reads fake

I have a strong knowledge, not even idea, of everyone's scum game in this game except for Pichu's.

wait, wait, wait, did you meta people?

Whelp Noraa's town.
That wasn't hard tho.

15 to go.

me is on page 3 and me is bored. no more reading. too boring. Someone talk to me!!!!

Hi town Noraa! Wanna be friends?

this read is very possibly TMI
he's the first to start townreading noraa and with such CONFIDENCE
but i feel town!Bell would have considerably more paranoia after the events of Death Curse (where Noraa deepwolfed with everyone convinced she was town and almost pulled out a phenomenal comeback)

I'd thought I'd have to hard defend her and then she basically got swapped with another human being and is so obviously not scum this game that whatever doubt I might have had kind of died right there (well, not all of the doubt, let's be real) lol.

It was sort of to support my point through theatrics.

far too confident

Okay,
the last five pages.
Gold.

I think I'm a fan of you as well. <3.
How you doin this fine evening?

not part of the scumcase, but just know i love you too Bell <3

sigh, here we go.

*gets out a table*
Go for it. Lay out why Noraa is scum for her posts and I'll hear you out.

this is like the textbook definition of a white knight
there are other town in this game that townread Noraa - they have normal reactions to her getting suspicion
scum!Bell overreacts each time because he's decided to heavy buddy and defend her this game

Mastina,
the only experience I have with you reading Flavor was that weird third party game. When you mis-eliminated him.

@Murdercat, yeah. It seems like we both roled town this game which makes me happy.

last line gives me the heebie jeebies

lol. fuck off flavor.
I'm starting to realize I'm trying to read into your posts and that's just a mistake.
I wish you weren't so entertaining and funny though. *sigh* it would be easier to ignore them if that were the case.

more THEATRE
or FAFFING AROUND as Dunny would put it
but seriously it just reads as unnatural every time Bell tries to interact with Flavor Leaf

The size of Ircher's posts versus the content and quality of the conclusions felt super lackluster to me.

just saying i hard disagree here
really liking Ircher now

Sorry, being a goof.

I saw something about bonding and drinks and Facebooking and trust telling, but not trust telling because that would be trust telling. Lots of involvement. Lots of you will regret this *shakes fist* by BM at Mastina. mmm.
It's probably a better vote than Solstice though from my POV and with my limited experience with MT, this isn't really the MT I know. Which Mastina pointed out. But it's not necessarily a scummy MT.

Why were people voting Solstice.

this type of narration of everything that transpired but drawing absolutely

no

strong conclusions either way from it is very scum-indicative
there's no comment on what it means for BM specifically or the people talking about BM
and the take on Solstice is the very definition of fence-sitting

This is a really shitty mindset to have but whatever.

perspective slip

No, bad murderkitty. Bad.

more WKing

That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

If someone specifically asks me to sheep and i’m Tring them I usually do it.
105 pages day 1. Would prefer ircher over you i’ve been out of this game for like 4 days. There’s a lot of crap to go through. I’m good.

‘Sorry, I should have lied.
Actually i’m Scum reading you.
Because mastina’s case was super convincing.

this is just weird
i can't tell if this is a joke or a really weird afterthought

THE CRUX OF THE CASE

Okay, what.

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Good morning villagers

good morning fellow human. Beep.

@Murdercat, they're not scum. I read your old argument, I read their posts. I've read their reactions to pressure. Scum emulate their own town games and their own response to pressure because it's like what they normally would do. You pushing at Noraa town is scummy asf.

Or at the least is going to drive us off a cliff and into a loss.

so EVEN IF town!Bell is just supremely confident Noraa is town - which i simply don't believe, i think it's unnatural and the fact he provides no reasoning for it throughout this game but just snaps at people who even dares suggest Noraa is scum is just full of agenda, a whiteknight there is how he's decided to play this game out
but EVEN IF that wasn't the case, Bell should not be jumping to scumreading MURDERCAT just for thinking Noraa is scum
there's no attempt to engage with his case or question into here
just a vote and saying his push alone is scummy because he disagree with the read
that's not a natural way to react, it's how scum reacts when they're trying to whiteknight someone

that maybe shutting down murder maybe isn't the play, and it would be better to watch how the thread reacts before labeling MURDER as scum?

yes

I read the older one.
Not the newer one, but I imagine they're similar in content.

If Noraa isn't scum who is scum?

honestly, this is tantamount to a scumclaim in how Bell is playing
you don't just vote and push someone without even reading the case and their reasons for it if you have ANY intention to solve them
there are other people who have been suspicious of Noraa this game - not to MURDERCAT's level but town!Bell really hasn't considered the fact MURDERCAT could just be wrong on Noraa? like how some other people may be?
no no no

VOTE: Creature

[I figured somebody would bring up Creature's meta at some point.]

[with regards to Noraabear, I would definitely need to review there. however my initial guess is that Noraabear is town, MC is town thinking he's onto something, and Bell is scum trying to spin it as MC being scum. Just a guess though, gotta do the reading]

~Morning

i agree Morning!

Tbf, yes. He's been super townie otherwise and familiar with me in a way that I would expect from him as town.
I'm not going to ignore this cliff drive as being something other than it is tho.

more scumclaiming
you don't just have someone as supertown and then start scumreading them because they made a case on someone you townread
ESPECIALLY if you haven't even read the case
i see like maybe 1 universe where Bell does this as town and Doctor Strange would tell you it's impossible we're in it

I want you to show how you know my reasoning, when I don't remember posting any. Not the posts where I say she is scum but where I back it up with any evidence. Otherwise it looks like you didn't engage with my reasoning at all.

also this
Bell claims to have disliked the previous case but there was no previous case
it was just MURDERCAT stating his read

btw sidenote but MURDERCAT is super town for the case itself
i'm mixed on whether i AGREE with it but i think Bell's play and him being scum spews Noraa as town

hello i have had a very busy week and have not caught up with thread but mt has been helping me sort of keep up

bell, do you think there's a distinct difference in how MC read noraa in the other game as opposed to this one? not in terms of conclusion but in terms of process

~mist

Yes, now that I think about it, the process is different here. But he was more laid back there the context to this game is different so I would expect a different method. For example, Murder just try harded and I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

but you didn't even read the case
also MURDERCAT did have some tryhard posts in the final phase of death curse

SAN ANDREAS

I don't think I saw a single try hard case in our last game together.

I know you know I've done this as town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12212814

mhm

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

mhm

fuck it.

VOTE: Murdercat

Horrid vote

Cool.

VERY uncool


VOTE: Bell

[pichu]

only because i love it when you read my posts spiffeh
ever since i thought you were donnie brasco i've really admired your brasco vibes

[Spiffeh]

ugh I hate when cases have a lot of quotes though

[Double the Trouble]

I voted Bell before it was cool.

- Norwee

[pichu]

aren't they more convenient than post links

[Double the Trouble]

Hectic's just an poor mans imitator of my genizz.

- Norwee

[pichu]

i'm just a budget Norwee...

[Dr Easy Bake]

After looking at the closing of D1 and the opening of D2, one of my biggest discoveries:

HOMICDEHYENE is acting very town. This is damn near the same gameplay I experienced with them as town recently.
They are disgustingly over excited and doing the most effort in a way that would make me think scum, but actually isn't.
I see you now kitty.

These are the reasons that Noraa is scum:

1. Early tone is over the top and later shifts
2. Same response to pressure as in Death Curse
3. Gloria is too invested in attacking me, given her limited involvement

Spoiler: 1 - Tone

Noraa knows that she has a signature tone as town that is hard for her to fake as scum due to the fact that she doesn't enjoy the role. She also knows that this tone is highly effective on Pooky.

AHEM
*jumps around and hits everyone on the head with a heavy textbook*
IM CONFTOWN
I never ever thought I'd say this in this game but I am AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*does some breathing exercises*
*breathe in*
*breathe out*
*throws a slipper at murder*
I be happy. Btw atm I wanna yeet shelly to the sun just bc she scummy af. I also wanna yeet UNO to the sun for lurking big time yesterday during the scroll passing periods and alivening the moment a new day starts.
Ahem T^T Mush dont hurt me for the fluff. *hides behind murder*

There is a joyful happiness that exudes from her posting like summer rain.

This post in particular.

It feels extremely pure and innocent.

I believe that Noraa's tone this game is fake and over the top.

me wuz joking btw. me wills follow some rules

Don't use AtE. 100% scum indicative. you use that evilness to pocket me >:(
scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum
HMPH

u thought I would tunnel u. 200% scum indicative.
town!me has been proven to be able to hunt scum!alisaes.
tell the truth. ur scum again aren't you?

back for round two of Lets break Noraa's heart

NOPE. NOT IN MY GOOD CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD(im not even christian but like sh)

VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: Double the trouble

*raises my eyebrow*

O_o
o_O
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
me shalls give rvs TR lollipops to u two. I expects green apple TR lollipops back tho and they must be green apple or blue raspberry!

For your consideration, two of Noraa's town isos:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Skim through posts 1-500 in each of those games. Notice how much more exaggerated Noraa is here?

Now you might just look at those posts and think it is within Noraa's normal range, but look at page 2 in her iso.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12398736

Nothing in page 2 of the iso is anything like these first posts, suggesting to me that the tone is fake and she is having trouble keeping it up. Noraa is even aware of this and points it out:

The baby talk will be back tomorrow when I'm less sleepy

Spoiler: 2 - Response to Pressure

Noraa has trouble making up cases as scum. Look at these posts in death curse (links rather than quotes due to length):
8962
9127
9233

Now compare to the case that Noraa has on me in this game:
2513
2523

For full context, the following posts are:
2514
2524

In both cases, there is no actual analysis happening. Noraa is linking a lot of quotes, providing a superficial description of the events, and claiming that I am scum off them without actually providing any reasoning behind her claims just as she did in my last scum game with her.

Spoiler: 3 - Gloria

Before I begin this section on Gloria, it is important to point out that I am

not

making a case based on activity here. I believe that Gloria has had RL stuff going on and I don't use arguments like that because, as I said with BM, I think it's kinda shitty. However, given Gloria's lack of activity you would not expect her to 1. be particularly invested in the game and 2. have strong opinions about me. However, there are a number of instances that suggest to me that Gloria is in a scum PT and is aware of certain pushes that need to be made (currently, this refers to attacking me, in an attempt to reduce the influence that I am having on the game as I am correct about Noraa scum).

First, some evidence that Gloria shouldn't be very aware of the gamestate:

Pichu, Gloria isnt feeling well or something.

She's been talking to me a little bit about the game but methinks she's either sick or sad.

Apparently they haven't been talking very much about the game. Fair enough. Now let's look at the Gloria posts that come after this.

VOTE: Murderkitty

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

DT shading us for my not posting enough is also bas but they might actually believe it. I don’t trust murderkitty and how he’s been trying to drive a miselim without following up on the answers to the questions he asked of me. What happened to that MC? Why did you ask me those questions, then fail to follow up on them? Why didn’t you ask me to explain or elaborate on those reads? You just dropped it altogether. I want to know why and I’m not moving my vote until you explain this.

This is a strong reaction for someone barely following the game and against someone who Noraa had not really been pushing at all, no?

Well we are a hydra, so are you saying you’re townreading me?

Well I’m really trying. If you recall I think it was either my first or second post to LLD in Death Curse was I expect to be generally useless early game and I wasn’t going through that rl thing at that time. I’m not good at larges. I get lost with the sheer number of players I have to sort, pages to read etc.

I still like Ydrasee because she’s engaging a slot and Pichu and I think this is probably town! MT we’re seeing. Wrt BM I did like their sincerity but as I said before I have no meta on them and if Noraa’s right about them being TPR then it’s obviously a bad wagon.

I’m kind’ve wondering why DT has ignored my posts about my rl issues and how I even said that Pooky can confirm I’m having a rough time of it. @DT, did you just skip those posts because you called my lack of activity scum indicative despite my posts literally telling you that Pooky can verify I was telling the truth about that, so why the unwarrented shade on me for that?

This to me feels like someone who is more aware of the gamestate than they are letting on. Once again, I am not suggesting that Gloria isn't dealing with real stuff. I am suggesting she is getting info from a scum PT and has an agenda that she is pushing. There is no effort, for example, to look through my iso after accusing me to see what she has missed. To me, this is behavior from someone who is over-informed and pushing something on the thread, not a townie who is trying to get back into the game.

I may not be the greatest mafia player ever, but I know when I've caught scum. I let Pooky and mastina run the show D1 and we missed. Let me take my shot.

VOTE: Polar Bear Express

But then they go around and do this, which I don't like.

I'm taking a break from this game, let me know when you guys decide you want to elim scum

The town MC I know doesn't give up like this.
Just food for thought.

Then I see that Double has actually calmed down, could it be true??
The chill pill has been taken??
I don't like the whole pichu situation rn.
The Super Best Friends is just MC, Double and myself, we'll find our fourth eventually.
Off to get some donkey sauce...

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guarantee you I’ll catch at least one scum based off of the D2 reactions to the D1 elimination and the NK.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Lolol, you think I'm just gonna out it rn, I'm building a case.

[Double the Trouble]

So you do have an actual scumread? I thought you were just FAFFIN.

- Norwee

[Dr Easy Bake]

Of course, I was sincere in my posts yesterday.
There's a lot of paperwork involved.
I have my catch, but I need to flesh out the evidence before I can present my findings.