PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[pichu]

why would you not use post links Misty

[pichu]

2992

[Solstice]

We could start from a scum!Bell world. Who are their partners?

[Pichu and Ircher I think jump up in odds of being town more than I have em already.]

[Mastina I believe to be town but *technically* she could be scum in the event Creature is town and she had a really good D1 -- like I don't think she is scum but I have never seen mastina scum, either, so perhaps she didn't exit her scumrange but it'd have to be quite big. Eh it's probably more likely that she's town though and Misty thinks so too]

[Dunn and Spiffeh I liked although I think they're they most likely townreads I have that could be wrong. Especially Spiffeh as I think I mostly have just been agreeing with him and i dont have much more evidence. after all there's likely to at least one scum who i'll share opinions with (for example, on Bell v. murder). Dunn I felt was kinda similar to town!Dunn but oo i would need to review]

[so im left with a remaining pool of Creature, DEB, and Toogeloo. Oh and Double because I refuse to give them a read without reading more of their posts (I've probably only seen about 1/3rd of them). If I lost access to every post they ever made and had to go off of feels, I would guess town.]

[This ended up being a general readslist rather than a Bell!scum preflip one. Whatever]

[Forgot though -- Murdercat would be very likely town in that case so there's that. I think he's town anyway of course so i'll just put him in a non pre-flip area on the reads for now]

[Noraabear, Ydrasse]
[Pichu, Ircher, Mastina]
[Murdercat]
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[Dunn, Spiffeh]
[Dr Easy, Toogeloo, Creature, Double*]
[Bell]

[Noraabear, Ydrasse, Mastina, and Murdercat I think I have read into sufficiently so far, everyone else I could always review more]

[Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that. I feel as if I'm falling into the usual trap of having lower posters (DEB, Toog, Creature) at the bottom. Is Spiffeh a known (or a lesser known) good scum player?]

~Morning

[pichu]

One thing I want to point out

I think post #2992 in the context of the previous one is slightly >rand scum for dunn and >rand town for double trouble

I feel like FL is slightly more likely to correct double trouble if double trouble is town and dunn is scum, but I'm reading into the WIFOM further than MT is comfortable with

I think the DT being town part is less WIFOMy than the dunn being scum part so I feel stronger on that

~mist

double trouble was entirely joking though
i don't think flavor leaf ever feels threatened there if Dunnstral is scum?

[Solstice]

why would you not use post links Misty

on my home forum you have to manually find the post id instead of just putting the number in and idk which way it works here

~mist

[pichu]

[Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that. I feel as if I'm falling into the usual trap of having lower posters (DEB, Toog, Creature) at the bottom. Is Spiffeh a known (or a lesser known) good scum player?]

spiffeh was the 2017 paragon so probably has a good scumgame by default
i think mastina/Dunnstral/Spiffeh are top tier picks
Trouble/Solstice/Bell in the tier below
i don't know why we're discussing picks again but it's always fun so i don't mind

[Creature]

Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that.

Spiffeh

[Solstice]

One thing I want to point out

I think post #2992 in the context of the previous one is slightly >rand scum for dunn and >rand town for double trouble

I feel like FL is slightly more likely to correct double trouble if double trouble is town and dunn is scum, but I'm reading into the WIFOM further than MT is comfortable with

I think the DT being town part is less WIFOMy than the dunn being scum part so I feel stronger on that

~mist

double trouble was entirely joking though
i don't think flavor leaf ever feels threatened there if Dunnstral is scum?

MT agreed on this

i think it's slightly more likely that he felt threatened than that he'd make that correction without that in mind

and i think he thought that the read could at least be genuine on some level so DT is towny from it

idk

~mist

[Double the Trouble]

spiffeh was the 2017 paragon so probably has a good scumgame by default

2016
2017 was ellibereth

[Bell]

@Solstice, why are you scum reading me?
@Creature why are you scum reading me?

[Bell]

@Ircher, why are you scum reading me?

[Creature]

@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

[Solstice]

Hi, everybody not Pichu or double, why are you scum reading me?

[Let's talk abt Murder instead !!]

[Does my 2881 do anything for your read on him? The main thing I'm curious about is your point that he "slow rolled" his read of Noraabear into today's case -- and why you've interpreted his progression on her as scummy rather than just NAI]

[pedit: I BROUIGJT UP PICKS because my PoE was starting to be bad and I wanted to figure who the most likely deepwolf outside of my PoE is scum cause given the nature of the draft system I assume there is one.]

[Like I was considering mastina but it doesnt really feel right]

[pedit again: I'll get there Bell i swear (although I could link to you my take on pichu's case at least)]

~Morning

[Bell]

[Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that. I feel as if I'm falling into the usual trap of having lower posters (DEB, Toog, Creature) at the bottom. Is Spiffeh a known (or a lesser known) good scum player?]

spiffeh was the 2017 paragon so probably has a good scumgame by default
i think mastina/Dunnstral/Spiffeh are top tier picks
Trouble/Solstice/Bell in the tier below
i don't know why we're discussing picks again but it's always fun so i don't mind

Why in the world do you think I'd be a good scum draft pick.

[Bell]

@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

[Bell]

Hi, everybody not Pichu or double, why are you scum reading me?

[Let's talk abt Murder instead !!]

[Does my 2881 do anything for your read on him? The main thing I'm curious about is your point that he "slow rolled" his read of Noraabear into today's case -- and why you've interpreted his progression on her as scummy rather than just NAI]

[pedit: I BROUIGJT UP PICKS because my PoE was starting to be bad and I wanted to figure who the most likely deepwolf outside of my PoE is scum cause given the nature of the draft system I assume there is one.]

[Like I was considering mastina but it doesnt really feel right]

[pedit again: I'll get there Bell i swear (although I could link to you my take on pichu's case at least)]

~Morning

Uh, I'm not gunna engage with Pichu's case on me it's the same forest fire shit and I know exactly what I'd say and what he'd say and do in response to every cherry pick, wrong take, pointed out to him etc.

[Bell]

Which is to say nothing usful, once he's tunneled that's it.
It's a waste of time to engage.

[pichu]

[Who do you think was Flavour's first draft pick though? Open question to anyone who has an opinion on that. I feel as if I'm falling into the usual trap of having lower posters (DEB, Toog, Creature) at the bottom. Is Spiffeh a known (or a lesser known) good scum player?]

spiffeh was the 2017 paragon so probably has a good scumgame by default
i think mastina/Dunnstral/Spiffeh are top tier picks
Trouble/Solstice/Bell in the tier below
i don't know why we're discussing picks again but it's always fun so i don't mind

Why in the world do you think I'd be a good scum draft pick.

you did good in your first scum game and also fairly good in Epilogue before Gamma ragequit

[Bell]

Lol, you think I did good in the dance game.

[MURDERCAT]

I think Noraabear ... [is] very strong town regardless

literally why

[pichu]

Which is to say nothing usful, once he's tunneled that's it.
It's a waste of time to engage.

not true at all
at the end of forest fire i was not voting for you
this is also very different to your reaction in forest fire
you're jumping straight to aggro and AtE rather than trying to engage with me

[Bell]

Literally because regardless of my alignment this game, she's town dude.
Not my fault you made a huge wrong case about it.

[MURDERCAT]

Someone explain why Bell hard defends Noraa unless they are scum together
As in, if Bell is scum, how is Noraa town

Bell scum with Noraa town wants me to tunnel there no?

[Double the Trouble]

@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

Scumpost.

- Norwee

[pichu]

MURDERCAT!
can you vote for Bell please
do you really think the way he's pushed you today when he though you were probtown yesterday is in good faith
you didn't read my case did you