PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Bell]

Which is to say nothing usful, once he's tunneled that's it.
It's a waste of time to engage.

not true at all
at the end of forest fire i was not voting for you
this is also very different to your reaction in forest fire
you're jumping straight to aggro and AtE rather than trying to engage with me

No, this is absolutely true your vote didn't move your reasons didn't move.
Everyone else moved. You stuck there and you said as much in that game and that that's just how you operate.
I'm not even AtEing you.
Show me where I'm aggroing you

[pichu]

Someone explain why Bell hard defends Noraa unless they are scum together
As in, if Bell is scum, how is Noraa town

Bell scum with Noraa town wants me to tunnel there no?

it's a whiteknight
not every scum action has to have clear and obvious motivation
most of the time they're just trying to get by with fake reads
in this case Bell's reads and takes are so fake they've spewed him as scum however

[Bell]

@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

Scumpost.

- Norwee

Sure, you can explain this.

[Bell]

No, it's ongoing game information it's valid evidence I can't present until that game ends. See if I said that though, you'd just ignore it which is why I didn't bother but if you're gunna keep repeating untrue statements I suppose I can go through the motions.

[pichu]

Bell forest fire was a different game with very different reasons
try to engage with my reasons in THIS game rather dismissing them just because i pushed you when you were town in forest fire
that was also a while back and i'm more familiar with you now

[MURDERCAT]

MURDERCAT!
can you vote for Bell please
do you really think the way he's pushed you today when he though you were probtown yesterday is in good faith
you didn't read my case did you

I read it and I just reread it.
I agree that he is misrepping me and the fact he didn't engage with the case is weird.
I don't think I can reconcile that with him being scum and Noraa being town though and I feel better about Noraa scum than Bell scum.
If you can help me there I will consider it.

[Bell]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

[pichu]

MURDERCAT!
can you vote for Bell please
do you really think the way he's pushed you today when he though you were probtown yesterday is in good faith
you didn't read my case did you

I read it and I just reread it.
I agree that he is misrepping me and the fact he didn't engage with the case is weird.
I don't think I can reconcile that with him being scum and Noraa being town though and I feel better about Noraa scum than Bell scum.
If you can help me there I will consider it.

i suppose it's

possible

it's a hard buddy on a scum partner?
either way the read is just fake though

[Creature]

Damn this game is so painful

[Creature]

Maybe mastina is right that scum may be only watching town eat itself from the sidelines.

[Double the Trouble]

Apparently Hectic has an ego now?

- Norwee

[Solstice]

Someone explain why Bell hard defends Noraa unless they are scum together
As in, if Bell is scum, how is Noraa town

Bell scum with Noraa town wants me to tunnel there no?

[Why would Bell be more likely to blatantly defend a scumpartner, i would say it's probably less likely by virtue of that. but yeah either way it doesn't really matter because it's the read itself that seems problematic]

Uh, I'm not gunna engage with Pichu's case on me it's the same forest fire shit and I know exactly what I'd say and what he'd say and do in response to every cherry pick, wrong take, pointed out to him etc.

[Yeah, so instead I wanna talk about your Murder read, not really pichu's case as much]

MURDERCAT!
can you vote for Bell please
do you really think the way he's pushed you today when he though you were probtown yesterday is in good faith
you didn't read my case did you

I read it and I just reread it.
I agree that he is misrepping me and the fact he didn't engage with the case is weird.
I don't think I can reconcile that with him being scum and Noraa being town though and I feel better about Noraa scum than Bell scum.
If you can help me there I will consider it.

[Have you read into why your case didn't really do it for me (and mastina)?]

[In any case, I'll hopefully do some Noraabear investigating sometime for you and present more clearly why I think they're town. Because obviously just because i disagree with your case that doesn't automatically make em town]

~Morning

[pichu]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

lol i don't think you say something like this as town Bell
really playing up the AtE and have no intention to dispute why i think you're scum huh?
ftr i forgot and thought i switched to S_S at the end but was mistaken

[pichu]

i have a massive EGO
it blocks out the sun

[pichu]

Flavor Leaf's got nothing on pichu

[MURDERCAT]

[Why would Bell be more likely to blatantly defend a scumpartner, i would say it's probably less likely by virtue of that. but yeah either way it doesn't really matter because it's the read itself that seems problematic]

It's less the defending and more how it happened. It seemed like a very emotional reaction.

[Bell]

I simply wanted the game to slow down and readjust and was very sick of the Noraa takes. My read on murdercat is simply conflicted, it serves little purpose for me to town read Murdercat and buddy up to him only to turn around and slap a vote on him day 2 because he voted somebody I didn't like him voting. He slow rolled it, I felt it odd, felt it bad because I was looking at probable town Noraa and seeing somebody push at probable town when we just lost 3 town. That's my actual perspective. you can take it. You can leave it.

[Double the Trouble]

@Creature why are you scum reading me?

You look unhappy with the game enough to feel like you've been drafted scum here.

Uh, wouldn't I be happy with the game state here.

Scumpost.

- Norwee

Sure, you can explain this.

"Wouldn't i be happy with the game state here"
Someone else could describe why this is a scummy thing to say better than me, but it pings me all the same. It shows you are defending yourself with an scum mindset. "Oh i would be joyous here as scum" which is you denying something that isn't even intrinsically questioned or should be on your mind if you are town.

- Norwee

[pichu]

I simply wanted the game to slow down and readjust and was very sick of the Noraa takes. My read on murdercat is simply conflicted, it serves little purpose for me to town read Murdercat and buddy up to him only to turn around and slap a vote on him day 2 because he voted somebody I didn't like him voting. He slow rolled it, I felt it odd, felt it bad because I was looking at probable town Noraa and seeing somebody push at probable town when we just lost 3 town. That's my actual perspective. you can take it. You can leave it.

or i can scumread it
you don't play death curse and then just townlock Noraa with your confidence so early on
and then weirdly get defensive against anyone who has any Noraa suspicion
and then you don't just start scumreading a townread without even reading his case
it's a scum perspective and unnatural thought processes

[Bell]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

lol i don't think you say something like this as town Bell
really playing up the AtE and have no intention to dispute why i think you're scum huh?
ftr i forgot and thought i switched to S_S at the end but was mistaken

It's cool, I have a good memory for bullshit.
I just don't want to focus on it for my sanity, yes.

[pichu]

ok but yeah i am supremely confident here so i suppose you could say i'm tunneled and it's probably not very useful for others for me to super engage you here
but it's a tunnel on SCUM
innocent ole pichu is gonna take down SCARY scum!Bell

[pichu]

You didn't push me. I spent upwards of 8 hours telling you to your face what the truth was and it didn't matter. Call it AtE or what not. But the facts are the facts and you saying you weren't voting me in that at the end of day is just massaging your own play to look better in hindsight as a form of ego protection.

lol i don't think you say something like this as town Bell
really playing up the AtE and have no intention to dispute why i think you're scum huh?
ftr i forgot and thought i switched to S_S at the end but was mistaken

It's cool, I have a good memory for bullshit.
I just don't want to focus on it for my sanity, yes.

it's ok i don't feel bad about you saying it because you're scum and it's probably faked
...right?

[Solstice]

I simply wanted the game to slow down and readjust and was very sick of the Noraa takes. My read on murdercat is simply conflicted, it serves little purpose for me to town read Murdercat and buddy up to him only to turn around and slap a vote on him day 2 because he voted somebody I didn't like him voting. He slow rolled it, I felt it odd, felt it bad because I was looking at probable town Noraa and seeing somebody push at probable town when we just lost 3 town. That's my actual perspective. you can take it. You can leave it.

[I agree with you that it doesn't serve an obvious scum agenda. The read itself felt inconsistent because your progression was:]

[Highly townread Murder throughout D1, where he consistently rails on Noraabear]
[Murder votes Noraabear and cases them D2]
[You now think Murder is scummy, without even reading the case, so it is simply by virtue of the read on Noraa and nothing new that really popped up]

[that is what seems off about it. Town can be inconsistent, for sure. It just didn't feel like a genuine read and that's the best I can sum it up for you. I am not lockscum on you by any means, of course.]

~Morning

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i'm pretty certain this is town!Hectic now, don't let anyone tell y'all otherwise.
I don't think scum!them can activate or fake excitement like this when they think they are on to something?

- Norwee

[Double the Trouble]

Yeah i'm pretty certain this is town!Hectic now, don't let anyone tell y'all otherwise.
I don't think scum!them can activate or fake excitement like this when they think they are on to something?

- Norwee

Ops, putting this into my ISO.

- Norwee