PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Creature]

Also Spiffeh and mastina really looking like scum.

[pichu]

I can only believe you're either scum or your paragoness has really shrunk. I'm leaning the former.

OOOO the paragon card coming out

[Creature]

Because a BoP scum read on me would be understandable on like Day 5 but it's literally Day 2

Can't wait D5 when town is running in circles and likely getting endgamed before that day.

[pichu]

lol what
claim doesn't make his actions any townier and changes very little for me
if it looks like scum and acts like scum but has a strong roleclaim
it's

probably

scum fakeclaiming to stay alive

Idk I don't want today to be a repeat of yesterday

how is it a repeat?
BM claimed VT
what are the parallels?

[Creature]

I could have forgiven you and mastina for the terrible BM mislynch but it's looking like none of you are really trying to find scum but just follow the same agenda established D1.

[Creature]

lol what
claim doesn't make his actions any townier and changes very little for me
if it looks like scum and acts like scum but has a strong roleclaim
it's

probably

scum fakeclaiming to stay alive

Idk I don't want today to be a repeat of yesterday

how is it a repeat?
BM claimed VT
what are the parallels?

D1 was like us circlejerking into BM and we barely pushed anyone else. Today's looking the same: scum can sit all day pressureless.

[pichu]

For god's sake man, the BM mislynch could've been pretty preventable had I had the time to prevent it.

oh no

pedit except Bell is scum and BM was town

[pichu]

why isn't Bell scum Creature?

[Creature]

If the town leaders are only bringing town down, these leaders probably ain't even town.

[Creature]

why isn't Bell scum Creature?

He could be scum but he looks like a suboptimal lynch and we should concentrate our energy into pulling at the very least the other scum out of their hiding.

[Spiffeh]

Creature I was fine with the BM lim because I was hard townreading the other three options given to us by Pooky so the fact that you are assigning blame to me for that mislim makes it look like you're concerned with discrediting my slot rather than genuinely getting a read on me

You also hold mastina as a scum read who just so happen to be the other one hardpushing you today, which I don't think is coincidental

[Creature]

I have the info that I am town and hence the info that you and mastina are pushing an agenda. I'm seeing zero reevaluation from both of you and hence looks like scum conformity to a terrible gamestate for town.

[Spiffeh]

Other than Creature I'm kind of at a loss for who the other scum are?

Bell's not really one I want to consider any further today, I feel like if Bell were scum he would come up with a more useful thing to claim to ensure he survives the day? Especially with Flavor Leaf in his corner

I'm worried I wrote a few players off too early on Day 1 (Dunnstral most notably) and should probably reread but that sounds like a lot rn

[Spiffeh]

Creature if you were to do anything literally remotely town whatsoever I'd be willing to reevaluate

But I don't have a ton of reads south of null right now so you dying is still my highest priority sorry

[pichu]

Bell's not really one I want to consider any further today, I feel like if Bell were scum he would come up with a more useful thing to claim to ensure he survives the day? Especially with Flavor Leaf in his corner

this is just WIFOM spiffeh
why does Flavor Leaf as scum ever claim VT then?
Bell and co can fakeclaim whatever he wants because it's fake and Flavor Leaf and co KNOW we will try and WIFOM and read into it
i'd be even more doubtful if Bell came out with something super strong - you gotta remember that someone claiming a strong PR means they're suddenly 50% scum just based on mech alone
because only scum and the few strong PRs in the game claim strong PRs
but at the end of the day ignore the claim wine and read the player for their actions

[Spiffeh]

Ugh stop trying to make me think for myself

[Polar Bear Express]

Ok well there's like ten pages or something and from the top it just looks like fluff. If there's anything important, say it here cuz this post is my bookmark where I will start my next read up.

-nornor

Noraa!
i realised Bell was scum in 2963
you trust me right? lend me your vote

I does trust you lots and me believes in ur solving.
VOTE: Bell
Gloria will be mad tho I can feel it in my bones
She felt really strongly about Murder.
I'll try to persuade her and also can u post a shorter case? The current one is like a brick wall of words.

ik where that came from

What will you do exactly? Keep pushing Murdercat?

- Norwee

Hm.
Im back to Double in the scum bin. Waaaaaay too much shade & pocketing from that slot.
Gloria agrees with me that Norwee doesn't look half as bad but we both just think that Ali is straight up open wolfing in every post and poor Norwee is really trying his heart out to seem town but Ali alone gives it all away.

(if somebody does a day action I will lose my shit*)

this isn't real paranoia or fear come on
when's the last time you ever saw a day action in a mafia game?

my-my-my .... chem class dayvig O_O
*ahem*

-nornor

catching up~~~~~~~

[Polar Bear Express]

(if somebody does a day action I will lose my shit*)

this isn't real paranoia or fear come on
when's the last time you ever saw a day action in a mafia game?

[the game you just modded where Bell got dayvigged..?]

(dayvig exactly in a closed game)

[Ah. gotcha]

[Sure you aren't letting the confirm bias set in just a little?]

~Morning

maybe maybe
but can you remember the last time a joke/surprise dayvig in a closed setup was actually real?
i can't ever remember a time

Where was there a dayvig?

-nornor

[Double the Trouble]

lol what
claim doesn't make his actions any townier and changes very little for me
if it looks like scum and acts like scum but has a strong roleclaim
it's

probably

scum fakeclaiming to stay alive

Idk I don't want today to be a repeat of yesterday

how is it a repeat?
BM claimed VT
what are the parallels?

D1 was like us circlejerking into BM and we barely pushed anyone else. Today's looking the same: scum can sit all day pressureless.

Unless you’ve got a strong case for why the current town leaders are scum, your posts are just noise to me.

- Norwee

[MURDERCAT]

Why would creature scum ever defend Bell here?

[MURDERCAT]

I agree we should probably let Bell live a day FWIW

[Double the Trouble]

Gloria agrees with me that Norwee doesn't look half as bad but we both just think that Ali is straight up open wolfing in every post and poor Norwee is really trying his heart out to seem town but Ali alone gives it all away.

Alisae is reaction testing and not very focused on looking town rather than finding scum. You’re thinking surface level.

- Norwee

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe they are scum?
Ali is nothing like student council hence my TR, not sure why Noraa doesn't see that.

[Double the Trouble]

Also i find this "one side of hydra town and 1 scum" take really odd. Either our slot is town or it’s scum.
How about explain why i’m scummy, as i consider an attack on Alisae an attack on me. (Except when i’m the one making fun of Alisae)

- Norwee

[Polar Bear Express]

I'm aware.
It's your rep on the line. I expect full compensation, I don't expect a reevaluation.
I just need to convince others that you're wrong, but I'm not gunna do that by arguing with you about how wrong you are.

Bell's play overall has been kinda underwhelming. He had a strong start but then just like disappeared off the face of the earth.
He's in my SL category.
Gloria doesn't seem to even SL him. If I remember correctly she's null.

It's due to interactions with other players I am town reading

You really don't wanna explain anything this game do you?

THUNDERNUKE BELL

DUN Dun dun dun dun dun Dun dun, DUN Dun dun dun dun Dun dun dun.

GUYS THIS MEANS THAT THE SCUM IS DUNNSTRAL
LETS GO GET HIM BOYZ

If MURDERCAT is in fact town?

Actually quite likely! Creature + Bell + Dunn + DEB would be an incredibly likely combo, with the other one being Creature + Bell + Toog + DEB (or Creature + Bell + Spiffeh + DEB but as mentioned I wanna table Spiffeh-scum thoughts until three scum are dead, ideally).

Although I remain unconvinced that MURDERCAT is town.

On the same page as Mastina.

Would like to hear update from Mastina on recent events but leaning town for now.
- Norwee

Considering I've pointed out reasons for Bell being scum that, to my knowledge, are unique to me and things not presented by others before me, it is now me who could use the advice of others in confirming if I am onto something in regards to Bell's defensiveness when under pressure.

(Which is to say I think it's a solid indicator that he's scum.)

I also have thoughts on others, but they're best saved for after a Bell flip if we are flipping Bell today.

I'm debating whether to vote Bell or not; I only have one vote and to me, both Bell and Creature are equally scum.

But overall, I think I do lean towards doing this:
VOTE: Bell.

Mastina locktown from now on. I think Double is scum pushing town. I hate nearly everything I've seen from them this day phase.

Dunnstral you can come out now. Bell is threatened.

- Norwee

like this for example.

K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

Did you ever openly express a SR on Toog? If no, why. If yes, quote.

imagine targetting the player that claims VT as a detective
holy shit

I agree its ridiculous. This exchange doesn't look like scum theatre to me tho which is worrying me.

LOL Where did you come from Dunnstral.

- Norwee

or this.

Time to go update my reads list and go talk to gloria. I think double is a total scum bucket.

Pedit: Ali isn't the same as in student council, yeah. But what kind of a scum plays the exact same in two back to back games with a bunch of overlapping people in the plist? Nothing Ali has done looks even remotely towny and lately even Norwee's has been weirding me out.

-nornor