Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[Iconeum]

my best shot at a solve is

ico/gamma/IV/peta

and hope for the best

[Iconeum]

peta or gamma have to be scum from your point of view

Peta is voting for Gamma, everyone has since posted, and there has been no hammer

there are a multitude of reasons for scum to not orchestrate hammer

[Iconeum]

@peta

work with me here man

do you see why my solve works? it's most likely NOT gamma...
come to your senses please, or talk to me why gamma IS scum??

[Iconeum]

#IV, same for you

[Iconeum]

my gut is screaming at me that gamma is the losing play here

[Iconeum]

anyone have recent scumgame experience with ico?

The slot has a towny vibe but I wonder if he gives off this similar vibe as scum

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84842

my most recent scumgame

[Iconeum]

gamma/iconeum/midway could be the solve hm

i think im feeling gamma/midway as probable scum and DV/Iconeum has the hard f3 choice now

gamma literally has no agenda in his play

scummy vibe from giving up? I get that
but he tried to reach out and work with me... vs DV and Dunn who magically alligned their reads all of a sudden?

come oooonnnnnnnn

[Iconeum]

anyway to continue analysis on Gamma, this is scum!Gamma from a game that literally just finished

gamma tried hard D1, posted a lot, did some convincing solving posturing that made me loltownbin them for solviness and breaking emotional scumrange, and even had this little fakeass blowup at our D1 town wagon (not dissimilar to what he did he with Shoshin).

the posting gradually got less and less involved, more sideliny, to the point where it seemed like he was just phoning it in. my townread deteriorated here over time

then, as scum were essentially cornered near the end (starting with me guiltying scum 1 out of 4 Glitch, starts in the spoiled ISO below), he's like, completely given up, and lolpushed a weird "existence of a traitor" gambit for one post

i have an easier time reconciling behavior in this game with scum!gamma from Large 230 than town!gamma from Mini 2171

Spoiler: scum Gamma posting in Large Normal 230

VOTE: Glitch
yeah dead slot is dead

The claims have been posted several times so missing them is just willful ignorance at this point

again there are SCUM ROLES that return NO GUN

mafia doctor and mafia traitor
you want me to go dropping fact bombs again? I'll freaking do it

does gunsmith make sense?

>:/

i have nothing to offer as counter argument other then my previously stated reasons for feeling town gamma here...

[Iconeum]

im struggling from severe confbias

im starting to read DV latest posting as kind of towny

ur the fucking deepwolf, ain't you

is this literally IV/DV/Dunn? Does that even make sense?

[Dunnstral]

is this literally IV/DV/Dunn? Does that even make sense?

No, because peta is voting for gamma and the game hasn't ended.

[Iconeum]

theory is that MWB/Gamma/Ico are praying we go Gamma -> DV -> MWB v Ico and are setting up the Ico v MWB on f3 to make us think we're on the right track there, but hopefully running through DV on D5

it makes more sense to for scum to set up DV as a miselimination, especially with DV as the counterwagon to Albert on d5

this makes a lot of sense for a scum agenda, actually

nice theory

how does my hard defense of gamma fit in here? for this to actually be a thing, i'd be bussing gamma already, no?

[Iconeum]

im not wording this well but what i mean is that, if DV is town, scum's agenda is certainly to set up DV for a miselim, regardless of how they try to do that

one such vector, that I'm positing above, is that they bus Gamma, gamma flips (so gamma is intentionally giving up rn to set up the narrative for Gamma/DV/? team), then we flashwagon DV the next day to stall Ico v MWB, and then scum wins on DV's flip

sure, and i'm just straight up denying the bus as scum, who are setting up said bus? ???????

[Iconeum]

meanwhile, datisi even softed being a PR on D2, and im sure the scumteam can think of reasons to kill Datisi potential strong PR like Ascetic X over lol!FriendlyNeighbor. we don't have all the information as town, maybe they're informed, maybe XYZ idefk.

actually didn't ico explicitly say he thought datisi was ascetic lmao

yes, he did say that

as either alignment, he thought Datisi could have been Ascetic X

Datisi is a strong player and potentially could've been a huge asset to helping us solve today too, and Iconeum knows that as well

im saying there's plenty of reasons for us to not clear Iconeum on his claimed nightplay

i'm not saying my nightplay and claims fully or auto clear me, i'm saying they heavily suggest that

and 'just' a conftown? Not a thing. I knew this was gonna be a heavy pr game before entering (knowing gypyx as a mod). A CONFIRMEABLE townie is a HUGE kill. A datisi that is townreading me is a HUGE asset for scum!me.

autoclear? no
town!indicative? i think yes

[Iconeum]

i get that these are two separate points in the game, but this interaction definitely pinged meso im like, completely within my scumrange from 2175 on D2, suggesting that he's thinking about that game when evaluating me a lotthe next day, he's clearly been thinking about (or at least pretending to think about) my alignmentthen when i bring up the self-meta point how this is out of my scumrange, he immediately goes, "oh yeah, fair point, you're liekly to be town"it pings because the first quote suggests that he is considering 2175 to evaluate me strongly, but somehow in reading me in between those time periods, im still a strong candidate for scum. Then all i have to do is bring the scumrange argument up again, and he flips 180 on me? really? im supposed to believe that he hasn't been thinking about my play in relation to 2175 this whole time, and only now was reminded of it?it's certainly possible from town!ico, but i have to admit that this pinged me and reads as not a genuine read on me

so a weak reason to switch my read on you is scum!indicative of me

but ZERO reason from dunn to switch reads on DV is town!indicative?

gtfo

[Iconeum]

i'm a 1shot rb

that would be so funny if this was an actual scumslip

it is confirmed that i knew i was blocked N1...

[Iconeum]

sure i mean gamma is just scum at this point, for many reasons

lately it's the fact that the sharp bite in his tone seems to be more personally/communication fueled rather than actual game-content fueled, which is absolutely not a townie-mindset when you're about to be elimmed in lylo

i'm literally townreading you less with every single post you write

[Iconeum]

The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to Dunn being town.

Obvious and clear 'readschange' right?

[Iconeum]

no but i think the way he reacted isn't how town would react

The fact that he isn't being quick voted here confirms him as scum anyway

SCUM ARE NOT OBLIGED TO QUICKHAMMERRRRRRRR

[Iconeum]

peta or gamma have to be scum from your point of view, the above is a scum claim

this is simply untrue

a lie

a false statement

name it what you will

[Dunnstral]

Stop. If IV and DV were both scum, they would have hammered on page 118. IV has more than enough justification to place down a vote without looking like he's quickhammering.

You're forgoing logic to try to spin a last second case because your whole team was caught out

[Iconeum]

Stop. If IV and DV were both scum, they would have hammered on page 118. IV has more than enough justification to place down a vote without looking like he's quickhammering.

You're forgoing logic to try to spin a last second case because your whole team was caught out

I don't think IV and DV are both scum?

[Iconeum]

come at me bruh

let's show who's the town here

[Iconeum]

No worries IV. I realise I may have been a bit obstructive.

You’re right about that being the scumteam I think is most likely. I’m most confident in mwb being scum and probably least confident in gamma right now.

The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to Dunn being town.

I have mild paranoia about peta, but only mild.
I also have mild paranoia about you.

I can’t do a super clear ordering of who I would put as replacement scum out of you/peta/Dunn as it kind of changes in my head. And it would be a particularly harsh blow if Dunn is actually scum and I’ve been convinced out of it. But, I would like to think that my re-evaluation has been for the better rather than for the worse

@IV do you not see the pocket equity in this post??

[Dunnstral]

Stop. If IV and DV were both scum, they would have hammered on page 118. IV has more than enough justification to place down a vote without looking like he's quickhammering.

You're forgoing logic to try to spin a last second case because your whole team was caught out

I don't think IV and DV are both scum?

is this literally IV/DV/Dunn? Does that even make sense?

[Iconeum]

are you really going to spin like that is my solve rn?