TENET - Game Over

[unwnd]

OK then please excuse me from the table my own perception of my posts being forced into impulsive stream of consciousness clutter is tilting me

[Annie Edison]

Nacho can we chat? I’ve got a piping hot cup of chamomile for you.

I think we can apply vintage Sakura tell to Noraa.

[Imperium]

Nacho can we chat? I’ve got a piping hot cup of chamomile for you.

I think we can apply vintage Sakura tell to Noraa.

We can.

Just waiting for a drum roll and a pisskop vote from the star of this show.

[Imperium]

i mean ideally we'd just get a scum flip after sending over two people and cakez goes "grats youve got 11 ICs" but realistically not that likely so just hedging bets

ok.

just 2 conditions.

1) will you vote pisskop? 2) will you make a drum roll for me?

[unwnd]

hey random thought: what if instead of zMuffinMan it was leMuffinMan and he spoke like a redditor haha

Jesus christ pull the trigger piglet

[Imperium]

hey random thought: what if instead of zMuffinMan it was leMuffinMan and he spoke like a redditor haha

I'm no longer interested in bringing peta to this thread.

[Titus]

I'm looking at 778 in the other thread and I'm wondering if scum would ever be so bold as to say two of their teammates are never S v S.

[unwnd]

I want everyone to know

I am very very sad that it seems nobody wants to actually read walls, it made me regress into this

I want a wall or two. Need to tilt this game a little bit toward analysis and a little away from just reaction baiting and gut shots because i'm getting turned around

-b

I appreciate you and I won't let you down

Now excuse me

[shellyc]

Shelly -

Can you talk to me a bit more about how your Bell read has progressed during the day? Also feel a bit weird how you have scum dead to rights in this thread but also want to turnstile to another thread - might be projecting my own play onto yours but I can't help but feel that if I had confident scum in this thread then I want to give them an easy way away from me by transferring out of town, if that makes sense.

I no longer want to turnstile over there tbh, as i must do more to change thread opinion on myself/bell here first

this seems like scum!bell

lack of effort, defeatist

So your first characterization of scum!Bell is that he doesn't put in the effort and he's immediately defeatist. Lack of effort doesn't seem to apply. He's currently outpacing you in posting now, and it's fair to say that he's defeatist when he hasn't given up on the push on you yet. His posting isn't dense, but I didn't expect it to be based on my experience with him so far, and he is pretty one-track minded but it's too early for me to be crazy worried about that yet.

Defeatist in that he was sarcastically saying that "he was obvtown" and not wanting to put effort in at first, check his iso he said it multiple times
how much of his posting is talking about non-shellyc things?

i feel like scum!bell is more likely to be sarcastic here

Bell greatly prefers town from my knowledge, wants to be townread as town, there's none of that here

I understand your point here for sure - it's part of the reason that I'm townreading Bell here. His town preference leads to a bit of swagger when he rolls town - confidence that he is town and should be identified as such. If you control + F "town" in his ISO in Smoke-Filled Antechamber, for example, you'll see him ask to be "town block buddies with ffery" (which he later backed down from by saying that "town block buddies" means "friendlier than usual"), and you'll see him tell one person their read is wrong. Here, if you go through the same exercise, he talks a couple of times how he's contributing by being blatantly town, posts that he's town before he goes to bed, talks about how happy he is that he's town and describes the smile on his face when he's town.

I'm sure bell understands that only doing "HEY I AM OBVTOWN" while not actually towntelling isn't furthering an agenda of being townread
Bell wants to be townread but he's not actually making efforts to be townread and that, my friend is scum faking their towntell

So I understand why you made this point on Bell here, but when new information came into play your read didn't evolve. Why? Am I misinterpreting the tell that you're talking about here?

theres also a weird lack of a vote: shellyc despite bell saying "shellyc is obvscum due to meta"

Bell also has no intention of explaining the meta

Why didn't you address Bell's read on you after he explained it (and yes, I know that you did technically "respond", but it wasn't a response made in good faith).

i will do that in my next post

Can you respond to the case and can you explain why you don't think it's genuine here?

you arent even convinced by your own case

I didn't like this response - to me, this is a potshot. I liked Bell waffling on his case on you a bit - felt genuine to me and seems strange for Bell at this point to suddenly decide to weaken his position on you by expressing that vulnerability when everyone was townreading him and ignoring him already and you weren't in danger of being lynched (no risk of accountability, everyone still townreading him).

waffling on case wasn't given in any specificity, it was just "heh i might be wrong" other than explaining *why he might be wrong*

Vote: ShellyC

And after spending a bit more time with the ISO, this is where my vote feels the most comfortable.

[Titus]

I need someone to shoot down my skitter LLD superbowl theory before I get super tunnelled.

[shellyc]

Actually know what.

I'm going to just give it to you.

question mark #1: why did you not do that at first and instead do this case after everyone on the list told you to drop a case

Shellyc is simply more calm, collected and deliberative.

I disagree that these three words convey my play as either alignment.

She doesn't push at me out the gate like I do unless she's scum.

I have pushed hard multiple times in earlygame example here

She doesn't believe a single word she's said this game.

No quote of specific examples.

This is true for scum Noraa.
This is true for Shellyc.

Projecting noraa's play onto my play

She can totally hide her meta given dance game, where I genuinely thought she was very townie and would have misread her, except for a few pings on some town reads she gave in that game.
Cabd should know what I'm talking about here.

However, instincts on fight or flight have a way of betraying you and I think it's hard to change off the bat when I pressure here.
She is my rock of stability, she is predictable when I need her to be.

you acknowledge that I have games in which I can change up my meta yet here you state that it's hard to change when pressured despite me being heavily pressure multiple times in that game

Her entire outlook, scum read throws on everyone else for TRing me,
"questioning" peope for their TR of me, all fake.

Why is it fake

Look at death curse.
I tunneled her and she shit flinged right back throughout the exchange with her own throws and arguments to discredit and weaken it. I noted that this offers a certain level of protection when it becomes a 1v1 like this.

Why do i attempt the same thing again when it failed last time

She knows this and is just doing it again.
Her nature has betrayed herself.
I don't have this ability to read other players like I do her.
I don't know, I just think I understand her and I'm sorry if I'm read and I'm ruining this for town her.

You should be sorry

This should be good enough to kill her or at least not get her out of your line of sight.
Do not let scum escape.

Peace.

[Annie Edison]

Nacho-

I’m not sure you’re aware of this, but you were my first mafia hero.I still remember you defending me in that sitcom upick. I always appreciated you sticking up for the little man. I tried my best to be like you. Before my hiatus I played with my heart on my sleeve, and I was so easily manipulated I lost country cylos. Since I’ve been back, I’m confident. Especially as cobra Kai. I still make sure to stick up for the little man. I constantly push anti town=/= scum.

I learned a lot playing with you (and the rest of the cohort) and you were the heavy hitter in olden times. I would like to pick up where you left off. I started that in xeno and want to continue this game.

Noraa’s scum. She described her town playstyle as suicidal- that’s what first made me think of Sakura. I’m sure you remember the old tell that got her run up countless times.

Do you view her play here as suicidal? All she’s done is yell no u no u no u. I don’t get that vibe, at all. She’s had countless opportunity to explain herself and I understand you said give her space so she would- but we have so many heavy hitters scumreading her, and you are standing in the way. I’m asking you to trust me, trust unwnd, trust flavor, trust ffery and Cabd. Let us shoulder this burden. Please.

[shellyc]

VOTE: pookythemagicalbear

[Almost50]

We can punt pisskop first followed by Pooky. I’m cool with that.

I'm ok turnstiling pisskop. It's a slower thread so he may be able to play the game and get sortable.

VOTE: turnstile pisskop

Alrighty then..

VOTE: turnstile pisskop

Just for the sake of getting this done and having time to do the other one if you all want to

[Annie Edison]

Also no one let gamma drive Noraa this game please.

[Titus]

Can you rephrase 1390 Annie?

Can you please shoot down my LLD Superbowl Skitter theory or at least comment on it?

[Annie Edison]

Look at how she frames the scumreads to understand the mindset, nacho. If her town playstyle was suicidal she’d be blaming herself. Not everyone scumreading her.

Ninja-
It’s a meta reference. Basically gamma white knighted and enabled scum Noraa to use her PR in xeno.

Super Bowl and LlD gave me townvibes. I’ll read your theory more shortly.

[Annie Edison]

@bork I don’t think scum flavor decides to call me scum then work his way into a sync with me.

[Imperium]

i'm a little worried about Flavor in that he seems ardently determined to miss the point of my conversation with him earlier; on the other hand 2324 maybe contained a passive final admission that he didn't know what i was trying to get at w/ the imperium talk.

i don't fucking know

-b

If it’s any consolation I don’t have a town read there. I don’t think he had an answer because it was arm sweeping paranoia theory. I think it was odd that he acted like I couldn’t comment or dislike a thought he stated about two different people because he changed his mind as if that negates what I think it meant for his mindset. I am lol at the investigation threat though!

Also his misstatement of what nacho said about winning felt off in that it felt like shitflinging instead of an actual concern.

[Titus]

LLD can appear emotionally town as scum, in fact it's one of her selling points. I'm looking at her fight with superbowl acting as if he's newb scum coached actually playing his first game. I don't believe LLD could actually believe that because a) she doesn't miss details when engaged. Superbowl is obviously not new a1) the setup advertises complex mechanics and b) his join date. LLD is also pushing semantics and threatening a tunnel. LLD is much more emotionally manipulative than that when legitimately pushing. She doesn't go straight from 0-100. She applies the screws gradually and harder until you crack.

Then there's skitter. I have an independent scumread on her. She comes in and says she townreads them both and that they could never be S V S. That seems like such an LLD thing to coach.

[Annie Edison]

I agree skitter is scum. I don’t have a great meta baseline with LLD but liked her productivity particularly after she played second fiddle in xeno.

I don’t get why Super Bowl and skitter would tag team together to elim me so hard. There’s much easier targets.

[Imperium]

Titus - I don’t have a read on lld. I need to actually read her stuff and not just skim.

[Annie Edison]

@bork- let’s see where nacho and I get. I truly think he’s blocking another Cakez d1. You’ve got this.

[Titus]

@Imperium - Start at 509.

[Imperium]

I will do that tomorrow!