PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Double the Trouble]

that account being under ydrasse

well regardless its probably gonna take its time to fill regardless and even after it filled, it probs won't start for like, 1-2 weeks I assure you

[Ydrasse]

AH

[pichu]

perfect so we can overlap with team mafia

[Ydrasse]

i’ll think about it but team mafia is happening soon too... i saw it and i wanted to but pensive face

[Ydrasse]

oh.....

[Double the Trouble]

perfect so we can overlap with team mafia

with a combination of the deadlines being short (They're probably being extended to 96 - 120 hour days)
I don't think there should be any overlap. At the latest I imagine the game to wrap up just about when team mafia starts.

[Blade Dancer]

Official Vote Count 2.12

Polar Bear Express

(1): MURDERCAT

Creature

: (4) Spiffeh, Solstice, Dunnstral, Toogelo

Bell

(6): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake

Double the Trouble

(1): Bell

Spiffeh

(1): Creature

Not Voting

(1): Double the Trouble
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to execute.

MURDERCAT is VLA until 12/17. MURDERCAT did not specify a time, so I'll use noon PST.
Ydrasse is VLA until 12/16 at noon PST.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-22 18:21:00)

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[Double the Trouble]

I also don't like modding games with long day deadlines.
I don't even want to begin how many times I've put games im running on the backburner because I just picked up another hobby.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also pichu and ydrasse why haven't u joined my pokemon game yet

i over gamed):

ydrasse

hydra with me for alisae's game

[Ydrasse]

maybe..... i overwhelmed tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its ok

u wont have to post if u dont want to

we can just chat on discord about the game and i will do all the posting

[pichu]

perfect so we can overlap with team mafia

with a combination of the deadlines being short (They're probably being extended to 96 - 120 hour days)
I don't think there should be any overlap. At the latest I imagine the game to wrap up just about when team mafia starts.

oh cool blitz is fun


is it bad that mickey mouse reminds me of spiffeh now

[Double the Trouble]

OH NO

[Double the Trouble]

PICHU HOW COULD U DO THIS TO ME

[Ircher]

[For Bell!scum and Easy!town, that means scum actually managed to fake claim like the one town PR remaining on accident + it was an obscure one]

I honestly don't think this is as unlikely as you are making it out to be. In this instance, Bell decided to fakeclaim, so they had to fakeclaim something. It can't be too strong (e.g.: doctor, cop) because that runs a high counterclaim risk. It also cannot be something too low impact like Fruit Vendor because it probably wouldn't save Bell. Detective, while obscure, is like a perfect fake claim in this scenario. It's obscurity makes it very unlikely that Bell gets counterclaimed.

like my first instinct right now is to ignore it and solve the game outside of {DEB, Bell}

We'll have to face it at some point though; it's almost a given those two slots are gonna solve each other by themselves. I think it's much better we figure it out today.

[That's easily more likely than scum accidentally claiming the one obscure PR town has left, don't you think? Do you disagree that FL could have caused town to have identical PRs?]

No, not at all. I would argue that two town detectives (with presumably the same modifiers) is /very unlikely/ and less likely than the scum!Bell, town!DEB scenario. See the reasons I outlined in my previous post (regarding how common it is in mini normals for two investigatives of the exact same form).

Reminder that the night kill thought Polar Bear was really town

Eh, this is kinda something but not really. I imagine Netflix was killed moreso for being universally townread rather than for their particular reads.

Unless someone helps me understand the claim probability stuff, i'd rather kill off Creature and see what happens next. I wouldnt do this if i wasn't also persuaded by Bell's AtE, i wont lie.

I don't disagree that Creature is scum here. On the flip side, Creature is a slot that's almost guaranteed to be gone before LimLo, so I don't see any particular need to rush getting rid of that slot. I also think we should resolve Bell v. DEB as soon as we can, so I think limming within the two is the better move.

(Also, I'm not town reading Bell's AtE at all.)

[FL can influence the setup to make that happen, and if two people have the same role then by definition it's more likely that this scenario would occur. Also if there's a duplicated role, it makes sense that it's not a vig or a doctor but a weakish investigative]

Personally, as scum, investigative would be the last kind of role that I would want duplicated. There are just so many more things that could go wrong for me as scum in that case. Aside from that, while we know scum and Flavor Leaf had influence over the setup including picking those rules, that still boils down to a guess, so there's still some unusualness to that scenario.

(Also, just going to note that if Bell does flip scum (like I think Bell will), Solstice looks a bit worse given the way their approaching the claims scenarios.)

I dunno. I'm town dude. I thought they were masons together, but what do I know.

I find it rather strange you were reading people as masons this game.

13 player normal games have like 5 PRs so no that isn't an exaggeration

(Actually 4 Town PRs is most typical, but 5 comes up from time to time especially if some of them are very weak (e.g.: Fruit Vendor).)

Bell is pretty town and it's pretty clear the town treestump doesn't know what they're doing

Having two of the same uncommon role claim in the game makes them both more likely to be true

What??? You're spouting nonsense here. I guess it's consistent with your earlier stances though.

Pichu's cases are easy to pick apart if you think about it.

Ah yes, you are confident that the case you decided not to read or engage with whatsoever is easy to pick apart.

I never want to WIM like this.

(Side Note: I keep saying the WIM abbreviation, but I don't know what it means or stands for.)

i advocate a spiffeh shot for how he's not really taken a stance on Bell other than saying my case is valid
and his main take today has been pushing Creature for lack of content

Not a good vig shot for tonight perhaps, but I think this is a good point regardless.

At bottom of page 155. That's it for tonight.

[pichu]

it had to be done ali
i was prepping for the classic ircher post

[Ydrasse]

pichu steals everything from me

[Double the Trouble]

Pichu if this WAS town!bell, what would you expect to be happening right now?
Or would he just be obvtown to the point where it just doesn't really matter all that much.

[Double the Trouble]

like so obvtown that we won't even be in this situation

[Ydrasse]

he’d be his usual charming self and win everyone over imo

[pichu]

if this was town!Bell he wouldn't be doing all the scummy things he's been doing
i don't really know how to answer the question because i just see so much of how he's played this game was very scummy

[Solstice]

Fine
UNVOTE:
if someone else voted you right after I unvoted I would be surprise and if I'm reading the gamestate correctly thats not gonna happen anyways

[thank you Ali]

pichu r u still sure about bell

i am worried

i dont think he can ate this much as scum

by this much i mean he cant ate for shit as scum :/

[Yeah it's very surprising to me for Bell!scum]

[I am willing to defer to more experienced players regarding the unlikeliness of there being two of the same role. And if there aren't two detectives, it'd be just a really pointless move for scum!DEB to CC town!Bell there.]

[But regardless I still want to hear everything Bell puts out]

~Morning

[Ydrasse]

i gotta be real i want bell to be scum so i can vindicate my name color theory

[pichu]

pichu steals everything from me

can i borrow some money

[Double the Trouble]

can you sort bell by postcount?