Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[ben dover123]

I'm getting tired btw, if I sound kinda crazy and my arguments start becoming crap just ignore me. I feel like Rock is scum by just his overall look (what has he done that strikes towny to you) whether as Lavar actually had some towny moments.

[Rockhopper]

You voted BM, then unvoted, then voted again. That was probably the most crazy part of your D2.

UNVOTE:

I understand, but I didn't realize BM could selfhammer and deprive us of convo until Clidd pointed that out.

[Chumbo]

I understand, but I didn't realize BM could selfhammer and deprive us of convo until Clidd pointed that out.

What exactly made you revote so quickly after realizing it?


@Lavar: What are your thoughts on the other people?

[Rockhopper]

I understand, but I didn't realize BM could selfhammer and deprive us of convo until Clidd pointed that out.

What exactly made you revote so quickly after realizing it?

I didn't think it was necessary after 1302

[ben dover123]

I understand, but I didn't realize BM could selfhammer and deprive us of convo until Clidd pointed that out.

What exactly made you revote so quickly after realizing it?

I didn't think it was necessary after 1302

Wait, BM self-hammering wasn't necessary after my post? I didn't expect you to turn back so quickly. It didn't look good imo.

[Rockhopper]

I understand, but I didn't realize BM could selfhammer and deprive us of convo until Clidd pointed that out.

What exactly made you revote so quickly after realizing it?

I didn't think it was necessary after 1302

Wait, BM self-hammering wasn't necessary after my post? I didn't expect you to turn back so quickly. It didn't look good imo.

You laid your plan down and I had nothing more to offer.

[Rockhopper]

*I didn't think more convo was necessary.
It was up to you if you wanted to unvote and talk more about the plan.

[ben dover123]

*I didn't think more convo was necessary.
It was up to you if you wanted to unvote and talk more about the plan.

Like, what I am surprised about is your progression to BM. You switched off of Chumbo so quickly, I could say this is scum realizing that the Chumbo wagon wasn't going to get any traction but I'll take in any town perspectives as well.

[Rockhopper]

Yeah, I was pretty confident that Lunar was scum D1, with Chumbo.
I wouldn't expect both scum to be on my wagon at E-2 and E-1, so {Lavar, Chumbo} was unlikely FMPOV.
I voted for Chumbo because I wanted to believe I was right, but BM was more likely.

[ben dover123]

Yeah, I was pretty confident that Lunar was scum D1, with Chumbo.
I wouldn't expect both scum to be on my wagon at E-2 and E-1, so {Lavar, Chumbo} was unlikely FMPOV.
I voted for Chumbo because I wanted to believe I was right, but BM was more likely.

. . .

So you thought that Chumbo was scum D1 but he was E-2 on your wagon

and then you don't think Chumbo could be scum now on D2

but you still voted Chumbo in the beginning of D2, and then you voted BM because why? Just because all of us were saying it was BM?

[ben dover123]

Something about the line of thought in the above post feels wrong

[Rockhopper]

No. To be more precise,
{BM, Chumbo}
{BM, Lavar}
{Lavar Chumbo}
were my final solves after Lunar's flip.

I explained why I thought Chumbo was independently scummy D1, but the third pair made little sense which implied a higher chance of scum!BM.

[ben dover123]

No. To be more precise,
{BM, Chumbo}
{BM, Lavar}
{Lavar Chumbo}
were my final solves after Lunar's flip.

I explained why I thought Chumbo was independently scummy D1, but the third pair made little sense which implied a higher chance of scum!BM.

Like I get this but there isn't much reasoning to vote Chumbo in the first place after Lunar's flip if this is your thought process...

[Rockhopper]

I didn't give it much thought.
BM wasn't in my PoE the previous day and I thought I had to be right about at least one slot in {Lunar, Chumbo}

[ben dover123]

I didn't give it much thought.
BM wasn't in my PoE the previous day and I thought I had to be right about at least one slot in {Lunar, Chumbo}

. . .

tbh with a hang PoE of {Lavar, Rock} we win either way but I want to be accurate here. Both of these players are weird: Lavar had a really towny start and now is just really scummy, Rock had a scummy start but his responses here are actually kind of towny. smh

[Rockhopper]

I do want us to analyze {Chumbo, Lavar, Lone} better before my elim.

[ben dover123]

I do want us to analyze {Chumbo, Lavar, Lone} better before my elim.

Lone is very town in my eyes, Chumbo is town based on interactions before BM's flip.

[LoneMarkhor]

It is either rock or lavar.Eliminate one today one tomorrow and we win.
Though I also think rock's responses are town somewhat but there is only one way to find out the truth.
VOTE: Rockhopper

Attention:E-1

[ben dover123]

It is either rock or lavar.Eliminate one today one tomorrow and we win.
Though I also think rock's responses are town somewhat but there is only one way to find out the truth.
VOTE: Rockhopper

Attention:E-1

If Lavar hammers he is confscum. Chumbo, don't hammer please.

[Chumbo]

don't hammer please.

Got it

[ben dover123]

don't hammer please.

Got it

I'm going to review Rock's ISO, I want to see if I find anything interesting.

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: Rock's ISO

what's up townsfolk of 2043

so who's scum?

UNVOTE:

im doing fine bendover, love your name btw

VOTE: Lavarmanos
that's the first scum

Starts off with a light tone, then automatically says "Lavar is scum" after. This is a weird progression.

VOTE: Lavarmanos
that's the first scum

Incorrect, and it would be helpful if you gave reasoning.

I'm sorry about my inactivity, I wasn't expecting the game to move as quickly as it has. And from my pov the game started wednesday night, so I didn't think missing 1 full day would be as detrimental as it has been.

I am going to do a full re-read tomorrow morning, but my preliminary reads are that Ben and Chumbo are the most likely town, based on Ben's proactiveness and well thought out reasoning, as well as his change of stance on Chumbo. My view on Chumbo is similar to his, I think he was genuine in his read of Ben. Trendall I could go either way on. clidd gives a a bit of a scumread, but this is entirely based on gut alone. Everyone else hasn't posted enough to get any kind of read on.

I will do my best to get back to anyone's questions tonight if they ask any, but with the weekend here I should be more active.

That's most probably a scum stance IMO. It's just a reflection of the consensus with lazy reasoning.

VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

clidd is first mafia on the basis that he supposed loves to use meta, but didn't check back to see if this is just something I commonly do and instead thinks it's like a generalised 'tell'. These two lines of thinking aren't compatible with each other so mafia.

VOTE: clidd

I don't think there is a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is a mafia.

And I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics by assuming that I "love" using meta (I never said I do, only that I used it in the past often), as well as ignoring the context of me being away from the site and the influence that would have in the way I'm playing.

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

It's also pretty scummy to automatically equate contradictions to scumminess. The same argument holds true for a major portion of RVS votes, so if the SR did stem from here, it reinforces my read.

This is bad logic, but I don't think it is an automatic tell by itself.

It's strange that Rock came into the game with a very specific view of Pragdoig/Lavar's slot.

I didn't.

You went from "who's scum" to "Lavar is scum" very quickly, I think that is what clidd meant.

Interesting. You are now a scum lean.

This was a wacky scumlean.

Sure, bad reads != scummy in a vacuum, but my readlist in the previous page should appear to be obv!scum to any towny reading it. I state my opinion on how I think it's scummy to go along with the consensus, and immediately proceed to make a polarizing readlist with the most unsubstantiated garbage reads. That should look like maf trying not to contradict themselves while failing to give good reasoning in this context, and the fact that you didn't notice this points to you being scum more often than not due to TMI.

Woah, woah, woah, watch where you swing that TMI hammer around my dude.

Town - {BM, bend, clidd, Trendall, NAJON}
Scum- {Lavar}

This are just bad reads. How many times do I have to say that bad reads =/= you are scum. Also why the actual f*** would you purposely make bad reads. That makes absolutely no sense from a towny perspective.

Seems a bit out of proportion. I did say that I only had a scumlean.
VOTE: bendover123

Also why the actual f*** would you purposely make bad reads. That makes absolutely no sense from a towny perspective.

Why not? And how does that matter as a response to my read?

Back and forth between me and Rock. I'll show my meta research on Rock to see whether this is classic town Rock behavior or if this is something weird.

They are town masons?

How did you arrive at this?

Probably better if we don't discuss

This gives me townpings

ugh. just elim me I hate this.

10/10 reads lol

meh it's frustrating to be in this position

is it silly to think there's scum on my wagon based on how easy/comfortable it is?

(after I flip that is)

I hardly accept AtE but don't you guys think that this is a bit of a stretch for Rock? (Rock has never had a scum game before)

It seems unnecessary for scum!him to risk it and ruin his image (he was thought to be pretty towny, this would be perceived poorly) for a very unlikely VI hammer.
I would also expect scum!him to come up with some excuse in case he did decide to take this route.

This attempt at sorting Lavar's alignment gives me townpings.

D2 was already analyzed and Rock replied, so no need to put D2 here.

[Chumbo]

I've looked at everyone's ISO multiple times along with some old games of Lavar and Rock. I'm not exactly sure how to use meta like this, but things seem off. It's one or the other, I'm just not sure which.
So basically, nothings changed with my thoughts.
Things have gotten stagnant here.

[LoneMarkhor]

So what do we do now?
I don't think we are gonna get anything by wasting time.The best way is to eliminate rock so we win.Or otherwise it has to be Lavar.I am really sure.So somebody should vote.

[Chumbo]

VOTE: Rock
Hopefully this is it.