revO emaG - TENET

[skitter30]

lol, Skitter's so scum, but I don't know how to actually push her today.

Sigh

[petapan]

i'm going to start deliberately limiting my output because this game has become annoying to me. i had planned to do this from the start but got swept up in the excitement of the game, but that's gone away now and i mostly find it frustrating. i empathize with gamma complaining about the length of things so i'm going to stop adding to the noise.

i don't know what to say to 2636 except that my strongest feeling is that i don't think that particular combination is likely to be a team. i don't have as strong a reason to defend them individually. my general vibe toward deacon is thinking they're town, but i'm thinking that toward everyone and you asked me for specific reasons i'd have a hard time providing any. do think nora is probably just town now and the scumreads there are wrong but didn't want to keep debating her alignment last night, if that makes sense

gamma's point about nora's absent hyrda partner in 2642 isn't a valid tell at all as far as i'm concerned but i would say him thinking that way is a point toward him being town.

skitter hitting the reads reset in 2690 is kind of similar to where i'm at. i haven't really connected with most of what she's posted though other than picking up on her suspicion of uncrowned for bouncing from the game. hated the push on annie a lot. i actually think FL pushing her here could be scum-motivated, though. i got swept up in the excitement last night and enjoyed the fresh perspective, which let me re-think some of my assumptions, i'm wary of how quickly he moved to forming reads on everyone and seemed to adopt popular targets for suspicion in nora/skitter. it's also somewhat conspiratorial but i think he might be picking up on her softing, rather than missing it, but is ignoring it and is pushing her because of that.

1/10

[Flavor Leaf]

i specifically stated I didn't really care to fade Skitter today, didn't I? So what do you mean? I'm voting there, but it's specifically because I planned on going away, and wanted to have some sting still

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 7.05

Firebringer (3) - GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, midwaybear, Something_Smart, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

upside down sinkhole (3) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, skitter30, Petapan

skitter30 (3) - GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

superbowl9 (2) - superbowl9, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, upside down sinkhole, skitter30, Firebringer, Petapan

GFITAC (1) - GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Lead, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

Deacon Blues (1) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, skitter30, Petapan

Something_Smart (1) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Flavor Leaf (0) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

Petapan (0) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

Dandelion Wine (0) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

LadyLambdadelta (0) - GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan, superbowl9

midwaybear (0) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

(expired on 2020-12-27 19:39:00) remain until day end

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

skitter30 has perpetual V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

Spoiler: Purple Room

Purple Room Votecount 7.05

Deacon Blues (2) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Flavor Leaf, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Dandelion Wine (2) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

superbowl9 (1) - Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Something_Smart (1) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Petapan (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

GFITAC (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Flavor Leaf (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

midwaybear (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

Firebringer (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

upside down sinkhole (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

LadyLambdadelta (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

skitter30 (0) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30

(expired on 2020-12-27 19:39:00) remain until day end

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

skitter30 has perpetual V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

[Dandelion Wine]

Negative Covid test result. Thank Arceus. Gonna go cry of stress relief for a while.

Please don't vote to purple room me. TIA

[Something_Smart]

Really nai for him

I don't think it is? I'm definitely more able to get into the weeds on stuff as town, and my scumgame is basically just treading water.

I just don't think it's an accurate characterization of my play this game.

[Something_Smart]

@SS - think I'm way off this game or partially off?

I think it'd be unsurprising for you to not have a good handle on the game. But also, I feel like your lines of thought are going to be productive, even if they aren't correct.

I feel similarly to you about skitter, except the conflict's internal. She feels so off but if I give town-skitter space then she very well may obvtown and/or solve the damn game.

[skitter30]

Really nai for him

I don't think it is? I'm definitely more able to get into the weeds on stuff as town, and my scumgame is basically just treading water.

I just don't think it's an accurate characterization of my play this game.

Sorry i wasnt saying that you're not *able* to get into the weeds as town, you def are. It's just that sometimes you dont, and when you dont, it looks like your scumgame, and its hard to tell the difference. That's what i meant by nai, to clarify, in that some (but not all) of your towngames can and do look like this

And that when i've tried using this metric i've failed because i cant tell the difference between 'hanging back towngame' and scum. The towngame in particular rhat i'm thinking of i was on an alt/hydra that i dont think is out and i dont wanna burn over this

And that's why i townread u for a lot of pyp, which was wrong, but that's what my mindset is, and said towngame + pyp are basically showing me i canf read u off of this metric

[Something_Smart]

Eh, I guess my play looks different from the outside. I don't feel like I'm hanging back in the same way that I was in PYP, but I obviously have a leg up in understanding my own behavior.

[Something_Smart]

Mod spec, I think 2703 in other thread confirms boon as town

?

[skitter30]

Eh, I guess my play looks different from the outside. I don't feel like I'm hanging back in the same way that I was in PYP, but I obviously have a leg up in understanding my own behavior.

Exactly. And not so much as it looks similar to pyp so much as i think that the things you were being called out on could kinda happen for you as both alignments, and thus we shouldnt read into your alignment off of it

[upside down sinkhole]

Some people are really just shit at reading me.

Im not even gonna refute anymore. Im just gonna post Tammy/Nacho's wall every time I hear a shit case on me.

Notsci,

I truly do love you to death - always have, always will. But while there are reads that I'm willing to trust others on and there are reads I'm willing to back off and let slide, this isn't and will never be one of them and you're not going to get me there just on trust. It's hard to read my level of confidence because I often push hard. Pushing hard on things is how you get them to happen. But this is a read that I am completely confident of and none of the half-baked theories on why she could possibly be scum moves me one millimeter. You think I'm wrong because I was wrong on Cakez D1 in Xenoblade. That's fine. Xenoblade was a fucked game for me because I basically only had the night phase to catch up on the game and then I had to scream whatever thoughts I had with complete confidence in order to be heard - I was out of my element. I was not confident in Cakez being town - I didn't have time to process a complete read there, I just wanted time to get my claws in the game after being on hiatus for 6 months. This is a different situation here. I was wrong on Spiffeh, but the confidence that I felt there isn't anything like the confidence I feel here because the way that noraaa is playing this game and has played in general isn't the way that scum play. My grasp of this game is much better than my grasp on Xenoblade because the gamestate isn't manic chaos 24/7. I am sorry that your confidence will have to take a hit here when noraaa flips town but I'm not sorry to teach respect for my townreads all over again since apparently people think I've forgotten to play the game because I made bad reads in Xenoblade.

Her town playstyle here is ABSOLUTELY suicidal. She has a wildly capable scumgame, as evidenced by games like Death Curse. Part of having a wildly capable scumgame is the ability to know what makes you townread and what makes you scumread. In Xenoblade she got caught out partially due to Cabd fear and partially due to being caught in a terrible place vis a vis the Cakez wagon, but even in an off scumgame you see she's discrediting (selective in who she OMGUSes so that she doesn't piss off everyone), you see her pushing at a variety of counterwagons to try to find a soft spot. Here she spent most of her time chewing you out in an extraordinarily one-note strategy and OMGUSing p a vast majority of the people who threw suspicion her way, earning her an ass fuck ton of enemies along the way.

Think of all the times that people told Noraaa to elaborate on her scumread of you, or anyone. Think of all the times Ffery told her to back off you and reconsider and in response she doubled down, called you a couple more names, and just kept stubbornly pushing. If you're scum trying to self-pres, is this how you approach the game? No. It's the Flavor Leaf principle - if you want to strangle him because he's being *just* *that* *fucking* *obnoxious*, he's probably town.

Think of her interactions with Cabd and unwnd. There's this:

I also want to compliment Noraa and state that I think her scum range is evolving in a similar growth pattern as mine did back in 2014.

Very disappointed in you, Cabd.
UNVOTE: Noraa

Why not? my collection of day 1 mislims definitely isn't big enough.

You made the Sakura Hana comparison? This is what a town implosion looks like to the T. This is a fucking solid interaction with someone who literally just got dunking her into the next realm in Xenoblade.

There's this.

Noraa, we a little calmer and able to talk, now?

Don't wanna talk to cabd.

She's not being extremely showy about being mad @ cabd (aka trying to pocket him with an emotional response), but she's just icing him out in a pout-y sort of way. I saw her try to shake him off in Xenoblade. I read her progression in death curse. Players don't add this much range to their scumgame so fucking quickly - it's impossible.

Let's look at unwnd interactions.

unwnd thinks im scum?!


I had the largest faith in them

Unwind is possibly the most wrong townie I’ve ever seen

Its strange and making me worried that unwnd is scum. The problem is too many people think im scum that I expect better reads from so I'll just take the L cuz apparently im playing super scummy.

Again, Noraa isn't showboating, isn't making a huge fucking deal about all of this.
It's a quiet, defeated, disappointment. It's suicidal. It's town.

I did find it weird that unwnd of all players thought I was scum here.

Unwnd had an amazing read on me in our last two games and here its just .... so far off.

After Cake's game, I had loads of respect for his play and so I expected a correct read. There was none but I couldn't really say much at the time without seeming like an OMGUSfuck so here I am voicing this opinion rn.

Notsci could be town as his reads always come off as insanely dumb when he's town too. I just hate his tunneling that is nothing based and absolutely crap.

Besides that not a single post of his pings even remotely town and Bulge avoiding thread is not a good look.

I don't have a case on scum!Notsci but I wouldn't bat an eye even if we yeet a Vig RBer Cop hybrid.

That's the level to which I don't care for Notsci's play.

This post is double because 1) you're the only person she pushed in a significant way the whole game and now she's shrugging and saying that you could be town but fuck you anyways.

But, again, she's not scum simply because her play doesn't make any fucking sense at all if scum. She's pouring a decent amount of effort into the game, but is any of it going towards her own survival? Not really, unless you think Noraa's forgotten everything she learned about playing scum from her other scumgames and have now decided to do her best to make as many enemies as possible for shits and giggles. Not really, unless Noraa solved how to deal with Cabd in literally one game.

So tl;dr, and I say this with all the love in the world so don't interpret this the wrong way, but if you hold one ounce of respect for my game like you say you do, back off. She's fucking town.

I am the Leader of Tenet.

And I am not wrong here.

[skitter30]

Fwiw i'm probably +town on you
Pedit @ss

[upside down sinkhole]

I take my TR on peta back. His ISO looks crap.

[upside down sinkhole]

Back to zero TRs. What a fun time.

[Deacon Blues]

Negative Covid test result. Thank Arceus. Gonna go cry of stress relief for a while.

Please don't vote to purple room me. TIA

You may have to caucus yet.

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

What's your read of us?

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FL you posted something last night about not interacting with me because we clashed so hard in Illicit.

I don't think you have a choice in that matter unless you want to just talk about us in the 3rd person, because right now bork is pretty done with you.

We had you leaning town on the basis of your entrance posts. Bork is feeling like your interaction with him when he was trying to figure what was bugging you about Imperium, and your characterization of his side of of the convo is straight-up disingenuous. I don't go that far. I think you build narratives and then force-fit players' posts into them (that's what you did with Morph posts -- mostly mine -- in Illicit), and I don't think it's AI.

fwiw I developed some respect for your town game in Xeno. Giving you any headspace in that game came about initially due to Cabd's read of you. I'd like to find a happy medium this game, where it's my read, and not so much outsourced.

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skitter, I'm somewhat surprised by your read of us, given we've butted heads for a big chunk of this game regarding Annie and to a lesser extent Noraa. Why are you townreading us?

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LLD: 2400. Also I have a story to tell you about my reaction to you in FGO, if you're interested. I learned something about myself in that game.

~ street

[petapan]

i specifically stated I didn't really care to fade Skitter today, didn't I? So what do you mean? I'm voting there, but it's specifically because I planned on going away, and wanted to have some sting still

i think it's that she's been very specifically trying to signal to you, but you're continuing to put pressure on her in a way that seems to ignore this, and there may be bad intention behind it because i'd assume you'd have figured it out. but maybe not. like i said, that's conspiracy theory talk.

but actually, i did put a finger on what bothers me about you - in 2605, you advance the idea that this is a 2 scum game thread "based on it feeling like a bunch of TvT swordfights". in and of itself, this isn't inherently problematic - i had the trouble of having too many townreads, so the idea was appealing to me, to a degree. but the thing is, that doesn't line up with your reads in 2602 at all - you put skitter and noraa as your strongest scumreads, easily two off the biggest sources of noise in the thread to date. who's supposed to be part of the TvT swordfights, exactly? it feels less like a thing you believe than it does a narrative you're trying to create, one which doesn't quite line up with the facts. i was suspicious when someone in the other thread suggested it, and i'm suspicious here too, because the purpose of that kind of narrative is to get people to not question their assumed townreads too hard.

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

I take my TR on peta back. His ISO looks crap.

thank goodness, i was starting to worry about your skill as a player, giving me a pass for the things you did

What's your read of us?

i don't know. i said town on vibes to bork, but i had your ISO pulled down at this moment because i'm trying to reassess, and haven't come away with anything yet.

2/10

[Deacon Blues]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

[Deacon Blues]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

this was primarily a me-sentiment that ffery is conveying; my initial processing of peta's post was it being more about the number of reads not matching what flavor had posted as his scumreads, but i see it's actually more about skitter/noraa(/now us i guess?) reads not jibing with the "noisemakers" being town which I can see the reasoning behind

-b

[Dandelion Wine]

You may have to caucus yet.

For people townreading me, and townreading Deacon:

Give it to deacon

For people townreading me, and scumreading Deacon:

Give it to deacon and ffery will die and fuck up out of stage freight when paced in a cage with confirmed town tammycho.

For people scumreading me, and townreading Deacon:

Give it to Deacon, they can work with tammycho to re-callibrate and fix their read to catch me~

For people scumreading me, and scumreading Deacon:

How does it feel to literally suck at life?

[Dandelion Wine]

Let's move on from this phase because right now I think we have enough content and Bork's(?) 2346 resonates with me deeply. I think Shelly is scum and I don't wanna sit around and wait for the game to veer off into another direction because people get bored and want to impulsively post. Bell stuck his neck out about her (even if it was meta) and it feels conclusive enough to call it a good lim. I said earlier I was willing to case her but I don't know if that's necessary, I don't get a thrill out of seeing myself 4 times on the same page, if anything it usually annoys me. I..don't know what to do about the other thread and I'm way way less confident (but again, more intrigued) about their position but I think there's more than enough to probably reach a decent consensus. This is getting unhealthy and I remember trying to look into that thread and my vision getting blurry. I don't know where most people are at...but you know what helps? Voting. I believe that this (as in, what I'm doing right now) is just the process of explaining what matters most. Votes. Who you vote at the end of the day is almost always what I read someone on, and everything else is provided context for your vote. I think too much herosolving is going on right now as well, but I won't get into it. My pool is not me saying these are the 3 scum, it's me saying 'these are the 3 I am looking at RIGHT NOW' and nothing else. I could be wrong and I think too many people are trying to solve the game far too early, which leads to people being indecisive or questioning themselves. Vote one person off and then use the night phase to think about why/if you were wrong.

I see and understand you, man. I think you're fine to revert to a wallier style. Your thread needs to figure out who they're sending, and then the elim votes can fly on both timelines.

[Deacon Blues]

Give it to deacon and ffery will die and fuck up out of stage freight when paced in a cage with confirmed town tammycho.

xenologue called. something something dead neigbhorhood something. my spine grafts haven't been rejected. yet.

[Noraa]

you advance the idea that this is a 2 scum game thread "based on it feeling like a bunch of TvT swordfi

did he say this?
If yes, holy fuck that's scummy considering he's literally SRing every single person that is a possible lim today.

[upside down sinkhole]

you advance the idea that this is a 2 scum game thread "based on it feeling like a bunch of TvT swordfi

did he say this?
If yes, holy fuck that's scummy considering he's literally SRing every single person that is a possible lim today.

shit.

[upside down sinkhole]

For people scumreading me, and scumreading Deacon:

How does it feel to literally suck at life?

I still think ur scum so they'd at least have one scum.

As for why, I never clarified ig but I felt the progression on me was really trash.
Like nearly everyone SRed me at the beginning but out of all of them urs was the most trashy. In a way, its like ig mostly Cephrirs fault. He was way over confident in Noraa scum for someone that has no meta on me and just came out of retirement(correct me if I'm wrong)
Like Notsci's push was shit and the only reason I'm willing to consider notsci town is bc I think its possible his town self is that overconfident in a shitty read.
Someone that's played zero games with me tho, I dont believe would be that confident.
And I felt like when other people were drifting off to other places and stopped mentioning me, he felt the need to just bring me up every two seconds. Like cool if you really were extremely certain I was scum, that's fine but I had like twenty posts, people were trying to sort elsewhere, and Cephrir has zero games with me but y'all made it seem like besides me there was absolutely nothing to talk about.

Cabds justification on me was really weak. It was like "Oh Noraa is baby me and baby me is a cruel murderer and I dont care what y'all say imma just use this to justify my push"

It reminded me of the way peta continued to push and shade me after I got extremely mad and started obvtowning like fuck with my anger in Gypyx's game. Personally I believe the way in which I blow up in town games is extremely town indicative. Prior to it, I had not tried to make everything a dramatic ass movie. If this was a scum game of mine where I was trying to use AtE to get towncred, nearly all of my posts would be oozing AtE whereas here I was extremely disappointed and showing it in very unnoticeable ways. I actually didn't realize that I will purposefully make everything extremely dramatic if I am scum when trying to go that route until Tammy said it. It's quite true and a huge reason why people normally reevaluate me after I blow up in town games.

The only reason people think I'm scum that actually have played with me is probably death curse. The thing is ... I made the whole thing a dramatic movie. The game was oozing AtE and I made absolutely sure everyone just KNEW I was upset. It was like every ten minutes I had to check up and be like "ey you know I'm mad yeah?" Here it is extremely unnoticeable how angry I actually got until I finally wasn't able to hold it in.

For example, the game that I recently ragequit, I was UTR after I blew up but Peta was the only one constantly shading to justify a vote on me and to seem paranoid.

Tammy is right in that the main thing that shows I am town here is that I was not trying to draw attention towards myself and the AtE was minimal prior to my explosion wall.

If this was my scum game, this would've gone down very differently and there would've been so much AtE that it would've been pulling at everyone's heart strings hard. Everyone'd feel like they were kicking a puppy by SRing me and they'd feel too bad to SR me.

At least that's how I imagine it would be.

Anyways Cabd's play has been extremely scummy imo and he's lacking a solvy attitude. From what it looks like to me, they have no SRs that aren't sheeped. Is that the town!Cabd that is a town leader and wrecking a scum team? No, its a scum!Cabd feeling bad about pushing me but knowing I am the easiest lim here.