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[upside down sinkhole]

Im not good at casing people and I know it but if anyone even remotely thinks cabd is scum, please think about it more and talk to me about it bc I feed off of other people's reads to gain confidence and I currently have close to zero confidence due to the large amounts of shade thrown at me and my fear of my OMGUSing turning into reads.

[Dandelion Wine]

Flavor, outside perspective- I think you looked like an absolute crazy person in your exchange with deacon and them getting frustrated by it is nai.
-ceph

Also,
VOTE: sinkhole
VOTE: Fire

We should probably sync on who should actually die today.

[upside down sinkhole]

I do not believe that he is scum reading noraa

I do not either.

I’m growing suspicious as well.

remind me why you TR me now.

I don't really think Pooky is scum but fine with turnstiling him

YESSS SEND ME MY BEAR GUARDIAN

[upside down sinkhole]

Flavor, outside perspective- I think you looked like an absolute crazy person in your exchange with deacon and them getting frustrated by it is nai.
-ceph

Also,
VOTE: sinkhole
VOTE: Fire

We should probably sync on who should actually die today.

what a conveniently placed unvote on me

[upside down sinkhole]

To sum up my case on Cabd.
LACK OF SOLVING. TOO MUCH SHADE.

[petapan]

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

[upside down sinkhole]

Nacho. Tammy. Can you guys give me a read on Cabd?

[upside down sinkhole]

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

why would scum have to discuss their reads? they're fake anyways.

[Something_Smart]

did he say this?
If yes, holy fuck that's scummy considering he's literally SRing every single person that is a possible lim today.

Being inconsistent isn't scummy, especially for Flavor "harebrained conspiracy theory king" Leaf.

[Dandelion Wine]

Flavor, outside perspective- I think you looked like an absolute crazy person in your exchange with deacon and them getting frustrated by it is nai.
-ceph

Also,
VOTE: sinkhole
VOTE: Fire

We should probably sync on who should actually die today.

what a conveniently placed unvote on me

You simulposted me. Shrug.

[skitter30]

skitter, I'm somewhat surprised by your read of us, given we've butted heads for a big chunk of this game regarding Annie and to a lesser extent Noraa. Why are you townreading us?

I like how bork is approaching my slot, particularly 2189 and associated thoughts

Your head is super hard null

I'd send you two to the purple room

UNVOTE: purple room deacon blues

~

I'm also making a conscious effort to try to limit the spam/bloat/spamfights

~

it feels less like a thing you believe than it does a narrative you're trying to create, one which doesn't quite line up with the facts. i was suspicious when someone in the other thread suggested it, and i'm suspicious here too, because the purpose of that kind of narrative is to get people to not question their assumed townreads too hard.

The thing is that i think that the the narrative creation is something he'd do as either alignment so i'm just writing the whole thing off as 'idk typical fl logic not sure what to do with it'

I think he should have picked up my references to jazz mafia but his perception of that game is very different than mine (like historically from how i've seen him talk abt it elsewhere) and the way he's talking abt it here kinda matches that historical pov so again i'm in a 'eh whatever cant give too much weight to that thought' thing

I dont like how he keeps trying to find ways to call me scum tho, and a me/noraa scumteam proposition is, uh, interesting and i want to know why we didnt just go through with the annie yeet in that universe

[Dandelion Wine]

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

Not much yet. Ive more been using him as a place to post snark that would be unhelpful to the game. I'm a bad hydra partner and tend to go off and do whatever, which I prepared him for before he agreed to do this.

[Deacon Blues]

Noraa,

I'm townreading the hell out of cabd.

I scare myself sometimes because I'm working off highly educated guesses as to what his post-hiatus scum game will look like. We've been scum together (mostly as a hydra) in a bunch of games (the majority of my scum games), but it's been a few years. I still feel that I'm currently the leading expert on MS at reading him.

I'm also townreading ceph (which doesn't happen that often on day 1)

town-ceph is a cranky and sarcastic. town-ceph with a gun or gun-equivalent (hello Caster) is cranky, sarcastic, and above all <redacted>. I'd use other words (currently filed under "need-to-know" so don't bother asking) to describe his scum game.

this read is subject to being eaten away over time by the strong acid that is my paranoia, but I don't think that's going to happen. One of us will be dead within a couple days, and I'll probably be able to white-knuckle it for that long.

re cabd's energy level here ("lack of solving"), there are rl reasons for that and he's shared them in this thread from the very start of this game day. re too much shade? there is no such thing in cabd world. he even shades his townreads. see his totally warranted insult to my scum game in his caucusing post.

[upside down sinkhole]

Im good with that.
UNVOTE: Purple room - deacon blues

[upside down sinkhole]

Noraa,

I'm townreading the hell out of cabd.

I scare myself sometimes because I'm working off highly educated guesses as to what his post-hiatus scum game will look like. We've been scum together (mostly as a hydra) in a bunch of games (the majority of my scum games), but it's been a few years. I still feel that I'm currently the leading expert on MS at reading him.

I'm also townreading ceph (which doesn't happen that often on day 1)

town-ceph is a cranky and sarcastic. town-ceph with a gun or gun-equivalent (hello Caster) is cranky, sarcastic, and above all <redacted>. I'd use other words (currently filed under "need-to-know" so don't bother asking) to describe his scum game.

this read is subject to being eaten away over time by the strong acid that is my paranoia, but I don't think that's going to happen. One of us will be dead within a couple days, and I'll probably be able to white-knuckle it for that long.

re cabd's energy level here ("lack of solving"), there are rl reasons for that and he's shared them in this thread from the very start of this game day. re too much shade? there is no such thing in cabd world. he even shades his townreads. see his totally warranted insult to my scum game in his caucusing post.

Sure there are reasons but the times he's been in the thread, he has chosen to focus entirely on me and weakly pushing me for no reason.
I feel its a way for him to make it seem like the heads are agreeing while lightly shading.

[upside down sinkhole]

I want to hear the queens of tenet talk to me about cabd/cephrir hydra which I have been uh ... just referring to as cabd ... sorry cephrir.

[Dandelion Wine]

shit am i still being cranky and sarcastic i was trying so hard not to be
-ceph

[Deacon Blues]

Im good with that.
UNVOTE: Purple room - deacon blues

They've mentioned you a lot, but you are not their sole focus. by a long shot.

You're never going to convince me they're scum on the basis of your case.

I'm never going to convince you they're town because if you're town (which I kinda accept now thanks to Nacho -- he's more than convinced me that he's not Xeno-nacho this game) then your read of me negates any experience or gravitas I'd otherwise have.

Fortunately, you're one voice and one vote (well...3 unvotes).

[Deacon Blues]

shit am i still being cranky and sarcastic i was trying so hard not to be
-ceph

It's pretty subdued! however, the adjectives I'd use to differentiate scum-you aren't relevant in this game so far.

Also, you're getting my Cabd-read pass, which is a stronger consideration than my not exactly strong confidence in reading scum-you correctly.

[petapan]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

this was primarily a me-sentiment that ffery is conveying; my initial processing of peta's post was it being more about the number of reads not matching what flavor had posted as his scumreads, but i see it's actually more about skitter/noraa(/now us i guess?) reads not jibing with the "noisemakers" being town which I can see the reasoning behind

-b

this is a correct reading and saved me from having to waste a post correcting the record right away. i don't the characterization of the thread as "TvT swordfights" fits with the reads he is giving, and so it strikes me as a disingenuous characterization of the game that could be, in his terms, an attempt to create gamefic.

Let's move on from this phase because right now I think we have enough content and Bork's(?) 2346 resonates with me deeply. I think Shelly is scum and I don't wanna sit around and wait for the game to veer off into another direction because people get bored and want to impulsively post. Bell stuck his neck out about her (even if it was meta) and it feels conclusive enough to call it a good lim. I said earlier I was willing to case her but I don't know if that's necessary, I don't get a thrill out of seeing myself 4 times on the same page, if anything it usually annoys me. I..don't know what to do about the other thread and I'm way way less confident (but again, more intrigued) about their position but I think there's more than enough to probably reach a decent consensus. This is getting unhealthy and I remember trying to look into that thread and my vision getting blurry. I don't know where most people are at...but you know what helps? Voting. I believe that this (as in, what I'm doing right now) is just the process of explaining what matters most. Votes. Who you vote at the end of the day is almost always what I read someone on, and everything else is provided context for your vote. I think too much herosolving is going on right now as well, but I won't get into it. My pool is not me saying these are the 3 scum, it's me saying 'these are the 3 I am looking at RIGHT NOW' and nothing else. I could be wrong and I think too many people are trying to solve the game far too early, which leads to people being indecisive or questioning themselves. Vote one person off and then use the night phase to think about why/if you were wrong.

I see and understand you, man. I think you're fine to revert to a wallier style. Your thread needs to figure out who they're sending, and then the elim votes can fly on both timelines.

i strongly empathize, in simpler times we'd have misyeeted noraa 70 pages ago, and i agree day 1 is reaching a tedious length, but coming to a consensus on a vote here is difficult. part of that is that i think the traditional soft targets of noraa and gamma have towned themselves under pressure and the game has very much lost focus as a result of this.

i really wanted to wait for gamma and uncrowned's slot to produce content, though, because both my non-marathon scumgames this year were instances where town ripped its face off while scum basically went afk, and it's a mistake to move through the day without hearing from everyone first. i feel like we've heard a decent amount from everyone now but the aforementioned lack of focus makes moving on difficult.

it feels less like a thing you believe than it does a narrative you're trying to create, one which doesn't quite line up with the facts. i was suspicious when someone in the other thread suggested it, and i'm suspicious here too, because the purpose of that kind of narrative is to get people to not question their assumed townreads too hard.

The thing is that i think that the the narrative creation is something he'd do as either alignment so i'm just writing the whole thing off as 'idk typical fl logic not sure what to do with it'

I think he should have picked up my references to jazz mafia but his perception of that game is very different than mine (like historically from how i've seen him talk abt it elsewhere) and the way he's talking abt it here kinda matches that historical pov so again i'm in a 'eh whatever cant give too much weight to that thought' thing

I dont like how he keeps trying to find ways to call me scum tho, and a me/noraa scumteam proposition is, uh, interesting and i want to know why we didnt just go through with the annie yeet in that universe

i think writing it off as "FL being FL" is how he gets away with doing scummy stuff and right now i'd say it's my best lead.

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

Not much yet. Ive more been using him as a place to post snark that would be unhelpful to the game. I'm a bad hydra partner and tend to go off and do whatever, which I prepared him for before he agreed to do this.

i only ask because while i like basically everything you've posted even if i don't always agree with a read, my one point of concern is that you and cabd seem to have been functioning as effectively separate entities. i know, of course, that cabd has had a whole load of shit thrown at him by real life the past couple days, so a lack of communication would be understandable, but it stood out to me so i wanted to ask.

likely the last from me for a while.

4/10

[Deacon Blues]

Noraa why are you purple-rooming us?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Negative Covid test result. Thank Arceus. Gonna go cry of stress relief for a while.

Please don't vote to purple room me. TIA

You may have to caucus yet.

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

What's your read of us?

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FL you posted something last night about not interacting with me because we clashed so hard in Illicit.

I don't think you have a choice in that matter unless you want to just talk about us in the 3rd person, because right now bork is pretty done with you.

We had you leaning town on the basis of your entrance posts. Bork is feeling like your interaction with him when he was trying to figure what was bugging you about Imperium, and your characterization of his side of of the convo is straight-up disingenuous. I don't go that far. I think you build narratives and then force-fit players' posts into them (that's what you did with Morph posts -- mostly mine -- in Illicit), and I don't think it's AI.

fwiw I developed some respect for your town game in Xeno. Giving you any headspace in that game came about initially due to Cabd's read of you. I'd like to find a happy medium this game, where it's my read, and not so much outsourced.

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skitter, I'm somewhat surprised by your read of us, given we've butted heads for a big chunk of this game regarding Annie and to a lesser extent Noraa. Why are you townreading us?

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LLD: 2400. Also I have a story to tell you about my reaction to you in FGO, if you're interested. I learned something about myself in that game.

~ street

I would like to hear this, yes please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I wouldn't mind going to purple room, if we're making requests.

[upside down sinkhole]

Noraa why are you purple-rooming us?

I dont really care who gets purple roomed as long as its not someone I SR.

[upside down sinkhole]

Oh also I liked LLD's response to Deacon making them look at my AtE wall.
It was extremely genuine and LLD deserves a TL for that response alone imo.