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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:38 am

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In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:01 am

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In post 290, Guillotina wrote:Meta can be faked. Noraa and I played together in a couple games recently and i've seen her how she can effortlessly change her meta to confuse players. This is why it is wiser to judge her solely on how she behaves in this game.
Well, yes. It's something everyone does, and if someone doesn't do it then they aren't growing as a player, or playing optimally but playstyles are the way they are as a reason and it's a little harder to change a subconscious reaction.

I also recognize that I barely know her and am going off people who I do know who are similar and using that as a baseline. It isnt perfect but it's close enough
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:30 am

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In post 400, Momrangal wrote:
In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:31 am

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I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:56 am

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In post 403, Noraa wrote:I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
Help me see it. Do me a point by point of why I might be wrong about HW.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:30 am

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Half way through an ISO, have been distracted with a stardew game with my goblin and gremlin. Will finish later. :P
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:33 am

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Hi!

I've played since 2012 but I havnt played in like 2 years. Plz go easy on me
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:37 am

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In post 406, Momrangal wrote:Hi!

I've played since 2012 but I havnt played in like 2 years. Plz go easy on me
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:37 am

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In post 403, Noraa wrote:I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
Lol...

"I'm sorry, I can't town read you any more. It's not you, it's everyone else. For what it's worth, I don't think their case is all that good."
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:05 am

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In post 405, Flea The Magician wrote:Half way through an ISO, have been distracted with a stardew game with my goblin and gremlin. Will finish later. :P
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:10 am

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In post 408, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 403, Noraa wrote:I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
Lol...

"I'm sorry, I can't town read you any more. It's not you, it's everyone else. For what it's worth, I don't think their case is all that good."
Actually, if HW flips scum, I would town read Nora for this.

I don't think a wolf would defend wolf!hw here the way Noraa is doing it.
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:19 am

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In post 406, Momrangal wrote:Hi!

I've played since 2012 but I havnt played in like 2 years. Plz go easy on me
I can see where this is coming from cuz if I wanted to be absolutely ridiculous, I could come into every game and say something like:

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:49 am

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You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:54 am

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In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:56 am

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In post 411, Noraa wrote:"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.

"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"

Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:56 am

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Noraa is either scum playing dumb or a Naive Town.
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:00 am

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In post 415, Guillotina wrote:Noraa is either scum playing dumb or a Naive Town.
I legitimately dont think saying "please go easy on me" is anything crazy.

like I honestly see town saying it more.

its TSTBS :/

it reads really bad. legitimately so bad that I think it might just be town
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:03 am

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To scummy to be scum is rediculous here. She wouldn't have even gotten caught if she didn't play like she had experience
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:06 am

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It isn't inherently scummy looking to have a new account and to ask to be treated like someone who doesn't know the game because, they probably don't. The issue is that she didn't play the part making it apparent that she knows exactly what she's doing
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:12 am

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In post 409, Guillotina wrote:
In post 405, Flea The Magician wrote:Half way through an ISO, have been distracted with a stardew game with my goblin and gremlin. Will finish later. :P
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:22 am

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Goblin and gremlin have retired for the night... where was I...
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:59 am

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In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428303#p12428303]post 402[/url], Noraa wrote:
In post 400, Momrangal wrote:
In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.
Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.

Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:08 pm

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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:16 pm

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Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)

UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.

On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?
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In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
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I just don't get this post - like why bother stating the obvious assumption being drawn here when we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey?
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:21 pm

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Fwiw, I hate to sheep Noraa, but after they explained horsewoman's "I'm new" post from another angle, I am less convinced that it is AI. There are other things that she are posted that are scummy tho (check my recent ISO for an explanation) so its weird to see several players fixating on that once piece of evidence rather than the slot more broadly.

@Horse - sorry to feel that you're not feeling in a great place atm. Clearly this is, above all else, supposed to be enjoyable, so please let me know if I could phrase things differently as I appreciate things can get heated in mafia. I would like to hear more from your slot, eg current reads of other players, but I understand that you have stuff going on IRL
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