PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[pichu]

PIIIIIICHUUUUUUUUU

like Creature is definitely LHF town-town - literally everybody wants him dead.

there is no universe he flips red.

some kind of strong players are saying it's his scum meta and he's scummy
but i agree that he's LHF nowadays even as town
i'm so focused on Bell i haven't been trying much to find other scum
just trying to rally votes, even if it comes from bussers

who's bussing bro

i'm not gonna say now and discourage them from voting Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

idk the way he gave Bell the benefit of the doubt and checked with everyone if two detectives was outrageous first seemed towny to me

A) that sounds like scum checking their exit plan to make sure people are open minded when bell flips town detective.

B) crumb timing on D2 after bell takes pressure makes more sense as scum pre-empting a claim by using rolecop info. If he was a real detective he should've crumbed on D1

C) His actual crumb doesn't look like it was written by him - word choice, sentence structure does not match with rest of ISO, strongly suspect Flava Flav wrote that crumb after original crumb was deemed "unsatisfactory".

D) This is exactly the kind of gambit Flava Flav loves pulling. Nothing Bell has done feels like it was coached by Flava Flav.

[Polar Bear Express]

Dunny must be third impostor i think
probably town

Gutwise?

I'm actually inclined to agree with this take specifically.

I realize it is very easy for Dunnstral to be genuinely scum, taking largely scum-favoring viewpoints.

But my gut actually is telling me that Dunnstral is just mostly-wrong-town.

I’m leaning that way. I initially thought Dunn was scum but I think it’s likely town!Dunn we’re seeing here.

[Double the Trouble]

D) This is exactly the kind of gambit Flava Flav loves pulling. Nothing Bell has done feels like it was coached by Flava Flav.

Flavor Leaf likes trading 1 scum for 1 town detective for no reason when he has a night kill and the doctor is dead?
Idunno bro

[Polar Bear Express]

Pooky I will vote for Dr Easy Bake if you take myself and noraa hydra out of the vig pool and replace them with Creature and another player of your choosing

Pooky wants to vig us? Why though?

Why is everyone so sure Creature is scum here? Can someone at least make a case?

[mastina]

I still don't really get what the fascination with creature is though.

It's called scumhunting; Creature is scum so it's my job to hunt him and pressure him even when voting elsewhere due to hunting elsewhere because there's four scum rather than just one.

You should try it some time*.

(*I am aware MURDERCAT is consistently casing Polar Bear Express as scum. Aside from me disagreeing with the core points of his case, there's also the fact that MURDERCAT doesn't seem to be doing anything aside from the Polar Bear Express case, and my burn here is relating to that lack of diversity in reads and stances backed by reasons. By which, I mean, as far as I can tell, MURDERCAT doesn't have anything resembling a four-man guess for a scumteam. He's pressuring primarily one slot, for reasons that I feel are wrong. Rather than applying pressure in multiple areas with multiple reads.)

[Polar Bear Express]

[quote="In post 3840, Solstice"i see no drawbacks to waiting at least 1-2 days to see if you actually start to deliver on solving. And if Bell is trolling us it'll be evident by how he doesn't solve]
~Morning

I'll be holding this to you btw. You posted that on Monday; it's two days later, Wednesday, now.

If Bell hasn't delivered on the solving in that time, then, chances are...he won't. You could maybe be extra-generous and extend it into tomorrow, Thursday, but like...if he doesn't deliver on the solving by then, chances are, he never will.

hard-leashing vig to dunn-spiff-noraa for possible shots

would be good if you tell us who out of those 3 are like baddies.

this is a horrible idea as I think we're all town!
(Dunn less so)

More or less agreed. Dunn's the only name in the three which I think

could

be scum, but gutwise, I happen to think that he's more likely to be town.[/quote]

Well we 100% shouldn’t be in there but I don’t think either one is scum here. @Pooky, how did you even come up with this vig pool?

[pichu]

idk the way he gave Bell the benefit of the doubt and checked with everyone if two detectives was outrageous first seemed towny to me

A) that sounds like scum checking their exit plan to make sure people are open minded when bell flips town detective.

B) crumb timing on D2 after bell takes pressure makes more sense as scum pre-empting a claim by using rolecop info. If he was a real detective he should've crumbed on D1

C) His actual crumb doesn't look like it was written by him - word choice, sentence structure does not match with rest of ISO, strongly suspect Flava Flav wrote that crumb after original crumb was deemed "unsatisfactory".

D) This is exactly the kind of gambit Flava Flav loves pulling. Nothing Bell has done feels like it was coached by Flava Flav.

i see your points and the theory is interesting
my counterargument of course would be that Bell is obvscum and has been scumspewing for a while now and will flip scum
regarding point B though - don't you think he could've just got away with a crumbless claim?
the timing of it and being on d2 right after Bell comes under pressure actually makes it look more sus
like for most people crumbs don't mean a lot anyway so why even bother doing it if it's so late

[pichu]

D) This is exactly the kind of gambit Flava Flav loves pulling. Nothing Bell has done feels like it was coached by Flava Flav.

Flavor Leaf likes trading 1 scum for 1 town detective for no reason when he has a night kill and the doctor is dead?
Idunno bro

^this is a very good point pooky
Bell was under a lot of suspicion even after the detective claim and there were no counterwagons
scum!DEB does not need to CC when Bell's death was marked anyway and risk town doing a trade

[Polar Bear Express]

But also can we kill Creature

Why is everyone gunning for Creature? Someone explain this to me.

[Double the Trouble]

But also can we kill Creature

Why is everyone gunning for Creature? Someone explain this to me.

Because he's obvscum noraa
can't you see it for yourself? KEKW

[Polar Bear Express]

Pichu, where would your vote be if it weren't on Bell?

probably Creature tbh
him being a counterwagon to scum!Bell is strange though

Are you saying you scumread both of them? What are the odds of having two scumwagons?

[pichu]

Pichu, where would your vote be if it weren't on Bell?

probably Creature tbh
him being a counterwagon to scum!Bell is strange though

Are you saying you scumread both of them? What are the odds of having two scumwagons?

i scumlean Creature and super uber ultra scumread Bell
odds depend on how flavor leaf has wanted to play the day out
i'll think about it harder after Bell is dead (hopefully)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

regarding point B though - don't you think he could've just got away with a crumbless claim?

yes he probly could've gotten away with a crumbless claim

but this is flava flav we are dealing with, and if Flava Flav is anything, it's excessively performative to a fault.

[Polar Bear Express]

PIIIIIICHUUUUUUUUU

like Creature is definitely LHF town-town - literally everybody wants him dead.

there is no universe he flips red.

Yeah, I think so too.

[mastina]

I feel like this would be a good point for me to give a better readslist since I realize the last one I gave was a tentative one.

Solstice
pichu
Double the Trouble
MURDERCAT (IF my one and only reason for townreading the slot is correct)
Ircher

Polar Bear Express
Ydrasse

Spiffeh




Dunnstral


Toogeloo

MURDERCAT (IF my one and only reason for townreading the slot is incorrect)

Dr Easy Bake



Bell

Creature


To explain, this is locktown, locktown-but-largely-trusting-in-others, townread, in-poe-but-lean-town, in-poe-but-not-townreading, in-poe-and-scumreading, de facto scum, scumread, strong scumread.

I wasn't sure whether Ircher belonged in locktown or not but I'm trusting my initial gut instinct to put him up there.
I almost put Bell in the same tier as Creature, because both are pretty strong scumreads, but on principle I felt the need to emphasize how strong the Creature scumread is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

^this is a very good point pooky
Bell was under a lot of suspicion even after the detective claim and there were no counterwagons
scum!DEB does not need to CC when Bell's death was marked anyway and risk town doing a trade

yea that's the wifom trap for after Bell flips town detective.

it's called "why would I counterclaim a dead person? I must be a detective"

[pichu]

you know too many people in this game feel towny now
i think like 2 scum are playing very well probably

[pichu]

can we haggle about this pooky
what will it take
what about 5 great balls and 7 rare candies

[Polar Bear Express]

pichu have u read 4305

i had not
it makes very sad
i really do not think it's worth killing a very likely town detective just so the vig can shoot scum!Bell
aAaAAaAAAaaaa

Well, I’ve played with scum!Deb a few times and he spammed the thread with absolute nonsense. I think him not doing that here could possibly be town!indicative. I think his slot is resolvable.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we haggle about this pooky
what will it take
what about 5 great balls and 7 rare candies

if DEB flips green the vig can take care of bell right? :3

[Polar Bear Express]

PIIIIIICHUUUUUUUUU

like Creature is definitely LHF town-town - literally everybody wants him dead.

there is no universe he flips red.

some kind of strong players are saying it's his scum meta and he's scummy
but i agree that he's LHF nowadays even as town
i'm so focused on Bell i haven't been trying much to find other scum
just trying to rally votes, even if it comes from bussers

It’s possible he could be scum here but I agree with Pooky. You guys recall what I said about NK15? Well the same thing applies to Creature. I haven’t even heard a Creature scum case yet.

[mastina]

Noraa
1 of Bell/DEB
mastina??
Toog??
Dunn??
Something like that probably for me right now

Okay I guess I stand at least partially corrected in regards to my burn on MURDERCAT.

These reads are somewhat dubious, and he doesn't provide reasons for them, but I suppose it's more than one read.

I find it funny that I'm the one getting shit for avoiding acknowledging Bell (which is patently untrue I might add!)

When Creature, the scummiest slot in the game, has been completely absent ever since the heat got off of him

Also Creature is, explicitly, avoiding taking a stance on Bell/DEB.

[Polar Bear Express]

i had not
it makes very sad
i really do not think it's worth killing a very likely town detective just so the vig can shoot scum!Bell
aAaAAaAAAaaaa

DEB is so shady thoooo

idk the way he gave Bell the benefit of the doubt and checked with everyone if two detectives was outrageous first seemed towny to me

+1

[Polar Bear Express]

[we should]

~Morning

why over Bell?

[I am pretty sick of thinking about Bell v Dr Easy at this point and will hammer Bell in the near future if he doesn't give me his toilet paper solve]

[but now i gotta think about Pooky's theory and blllaehhehhhhhhh]

~Morning

I’m still waiting for Death Curse Bell and I don’t think I’ve seen it yet.