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[Hench Princesses]

Muffin's scum range is massive.

I agree that the mech stuff shouldn't clear me. What conflict did I disengage from?

Why do you think you should be higher? Iirc, you brought up you were also part of the 'town blocking plan discussion' as though that should've been a reason to townread you.

can you give some examples of why you say that about muffin?

Oh I meant the plan to double turnstile scum. You backed away from that and seemed to be okay turnstiling spiffeh. That's the 'conflict' I was referring to.

I personally feel like I've been proactively solving through this entire game. Everyone who knows my main asserts I'm town and everyone who is mech town seems to be thinking I'm on the town side of things. I feel like I am not the hardest solve in this game if you actually can wrap your hair around why I am doing what I'm doing in regard to the gamestate.

[Hench Princesses]

HP

skitter is one of the nicest and best people on this site and i disagree with everything you just said about her.

some of the nicest people can also be incredibly toxic when they decide to commit to certain positions and then just never ever reconsider until it's way too late

our last game together was one of the factors in a rather long break I took from the site where we were t/t and this is our first game together since then

I still love and respect her but she can really get *off* in ways that are highly disruptive because she makes any criticism about how she approaches the game so intensely personal

[zMuffinMan]

is the return rate on town points 1:1? if so im betting 100 town points on every single player being town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have never seen skitter be toxic even once or take anything personally. this is a game and she is like close to a saint in terms of not taking things personally.

[Hench Princesses]

I made two joke posts about the fact that she was probably scum if she was townreading me and she turned it into a tinfoil that there was a conspiracy to keep her from this thread. She turned an admission that I was making some jokes as an admission that I was like, trying to piss her off. I get she's exhausted from the other thread but she just goes out of her way to interpret everything I say as *mean* and that kinda pisses me off frankly. She sometimes can just completely lack self-awareness

[Hench Princesses]

i have never seen skitter be toxic even once or take anything personally. this is a game and she is like close to a saint in terms of not taking things personally.

well good for you

[Hench Princesses]

is the return rate on town points 1:1? if so im betting 100 town points on every single player being town

hax

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think she wants to be upset at you?

do you think she plays this game to be angry at people?

like its just wild how bad faith your assumptions about her are.

[zMuffinMan]

im at 2000 town points atm

pretty decent id say

[Brian Skies]

Muffin's scum range is massive.

I agree that the mech stuff shouldn't clear me. What conflict did I disengage from?

Why do you think you should be higher? Iirc, you brought up you were also part of the 'town blocking plan discussion' as though that should've been a reason to townread you.

can you give some examples of why you say that about muffin?

Oh I meant the plan to double turnstile scum. You backed away from that and seemed to be okay turnstiling spiffeh. That's the 'conflict' I was referring to.

I personally feel like I've been proactively solving through this entire game. Everyone who knows my main asserts I'm town and everyone who is mech town seems to be thinking I'm on the town side of things. I feel like I am not the hardest solve in this game if you actually can wrap your hair around why I am doing what I'm doing in regard to the gamestate.

Wasn't Muffin a former don corleone? Pretty sure his reputation speaks for itself.

I mostly agreed to turnstile Spiffeh because I felt we already had four chances to yeet scum out of our thread, and activating my ability gives us more breathing room.

My read on you vacillates. If you're so town, what's your read on Peta who's been asserting you're scum?

[Hench Princesses]

do you think she wants to be upset at you?

do you think she plays this game to be angry at people?

like its just wild how bad faith your assumptions about her are.

I don't get how you reach the point you need to ask either of those questions. I certainly have to consider worlds where she's putting on a scum performance but mostly I'm just disappointed that she's repeating history in a world where she's town, frustrating herself for basically no reason through a complete lack of self-awareness. If she was scum for anything she was scum for arguing people don't take her reads seriously because that's so far far from the truth I actually have a hard time seeing how she believes that as town

[Hench Princesses]

Wasn't Muffin a former don corleone? Pretty sure his reputation speaks for itself.

I mostly agreed to turnstile Spiffeh because I felt we already had four chances to yeet scum out of our thread, and activating my ability gives us more breathing room.

My read on you vacillates. If you're so town, what's your read on Peta who's been asserting you're scum?

Peta seemed quite scum since his take on me was so lazy. It actually became a joke when unwnd started trying to use him to dogpile me earlier. That unwnd doesn't need to actually ask his read on something I said, but will just *know* it, and the way that he's pretending to read people based on their read on me all seems pretty wildly scummy. If he's town then I want nothing to do with him. I actually kinda liked the confidence of his initial push on me but I feel like town second-guesses themselves weeeeellll before now. There's worlds where he's an RC alt or something though, in that case he'd probably be town.

I think acting as though Don Corleones are unreadable or have exceptionally wide scumranges is a terrible idea. Most Don Corleones are easy reads, they're just high effort players and hard to flip because they're charismatic.

[Brian Skies]

@HP Why do you think GX should be higher?

-I think his self-conscious observation that he wanted to try a new playstyle is more likely to be town
-I think his emphasis that he didn't want to give reads was likely to be town particularly combined with
-his re-evaluation of sirius who he initially took as town and then decided to reevaluate which does not match how I think scum would position around a force replaced player and
-the fakevig vibes me as townie, this may be dumb, but *particularly* the fast retraction when it was obvious it wasn't going to work
-forgetting he jokevoted me doesn't feel like how scum probably postures around a scum push

obviously this is not a super deep iso to analyze and his phone broke but he's been hitting a lot of points that feel really townie to me

I actually got the opposite impression on a lot of these points.

I also haven't seen anything that makes me think 'omg this slot is definitely town' or even 'i think this is something that is unlikely to be scum.'

Its a very meh slot to me overall and I'd launch it.

[Brian Skies]

No, I promise you muffins scumrange is massive. He takes random approaches to games just for the lols.

[Hench Princesses]

how many townpoints would you bet on scum GX, or is that more a null poe thing for you brian?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she just goes out of her way to interpret everything I say as *mean* and that kinda pisses me off frankly.

this is just a strange thing to assert about someone.

its quite ugly.

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't bet any town points on GX. I don't think he's town. I also don't think he's particularly scummy either, and I find this concerning and probably increases the odds of him being scum just by virtue of there tending to be that one UTR scum skating by.

[Almost50]

Worst case scenario, scum doesn't consent to the turnstile.

Then we just eliminate them.

Which reminds me: I should probably ISO the mod sometime soon to see if pisskop was transferred and if not, why. If yes, who is the next one.

Scum probably get something for flipping over to the other thread, there's a reason I'm shutting this down now before it starts.

Say, did you ever explain that in more details? Like; are you

informed

if something? And if so, what the information is? I suppose Scum already know the info anyway if you are informed

Because in my liner notes it says I get something too as a town player as well

See? That was the point. Now to reduce the chance of turnstiling a Scum that does benefit from it; we are picking them. It's not like we are turnstiling people who ask for it. WE decide.

The plan to turnstile all the scumbutts to the other thread is far more valuable than anything I could accomplish over there so I think that's what we should do

WHICH MEANS I'M HERE TO STAY GUYS

Example: Spiffeh is now a strong TR (told you this reread is gonna pay off) because he does have a role that works better in the other timeframe (by his own admission) yet is choosing not to be turnstiled. I had initially TR'd him for expressing his desire to be turnstiled too early (which would naturally draw attention unto him), but now I'm sure.

Next...

Idk, Spiffeh.

You suddenly wanting to stay makes me want to eliminate you all the more (nope, no turnstile for you!).

I don't get the logic behind your SR on Spiffeh here. IF Scum would be so blatant in asking to be turnstiled then the retraction should be a Town indicator.

Also, many players are working based off the assumption this thread has 2-3 Scums (but not 4). I don't see Scum asking to be turnstiled on page one if that's the case.

If you are considering the possibility there are/were 4 scums in THIS thread, then you may be correct about Spiffeh, but then why did he retract still?

[Hench Princesses]

pooky why do you still not have a shelly read

are you trying to antagonize me and skitter because I will nuke you if you push this further. back off. you are not white knighting skitter, you are being gross

[Hench Princesses]

I wouldn't bet any town points on GX. I don't think he's town. I also don't think he's particularly scummy either, and I find this concerning and probably increases the odds of him being scum just by virtue of there tending to be that one UTR scum skating by.

I kinda feel like GX is a Universal Null Read and I'm the wildcard for townreading him, who else has him as town in your view?

[Brian Skies]

Pisskpp already posted in the other thread.

[zMuffinMan]

i dont know how to interpret what is obviously willful ignorance of current goings-on by almost50

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't bet any town points on GX. I don't think he's town. I also don't think he's particularly scummy either, and I find this concerning and probably increases the odds of him being scum just by virtue of there tending to be that one UTR scum skating by.

I kinda feel like GX is a Universal Null Read and I'm the wildcard for townreading him, who else has him as town in your view?

I remember Skittles, and I also remember stating I didn't understand how he could've been townread at the point she did so.

I also feel like if someone is consistently dead null, then that is a red flag.

[Hench Princesses]

I'm gonna say A50 is not on a scum team with unwnd-slot, even though I know no one was thinking that

@A50, unwnd replaced out

[Brian Skies]

i dont know how to interpret what is obviously willful ignorance of current goings-on by almost50

I also don't really understand why he felt the need to quote my 101 to make that comment. Or why he needs to verify that to begin with.