TENET - Game Over

[Hench Princesses]

That spiffeh take might be a sign of town A50 although probably not enough to help towncase him

[Brian Skies]

I don't get the logic behind your SR on Spiffeh here. IF Scum would be so blatant in asking to be turnstiled then the retraction should be a Town indicator.

Not if they're just saying it to blend in with the crowd.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky why do you still not have a shelly read

are you trying to antagonize me and skitter because I will nuke you if you push this further. back off. you are not white knighting skitter, you are being gross

Gross about what? You are saying something untrue about my friend and I know her to not be like that.

[Brian Skies]

Also I'm not even trying to punt or lynch Spiffeh, so what is your goal with this post?

[Hench Princesses]

are you trying to antagonize me and skitter because I will nuke you if you push this further. back off. you are not white knighting skitter, you are being gross

ur personality/approach is encouraging confrontation friendo. might want to reconsider the tone of ur posts/word choices.

yeah maybe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Shelly is outside of scumrange on the WIM front, she feels like she just gave up on this game.

It feels like her play in Hideyoshi where she just ghosted the thread completely despite being locked in a 1v1 with me where I was conf-scum to her, she just never felt very interested in the game.

Meanwhile in Dark Waltz II she replaced into a doomed scum slot and maintained high WIM throughout despite being completely unable to make any dent in the game state which resulted in a town stomp.

I feel her motivation level is different here if she's actually a red slot.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Good-bye Hench. I hope we do not meet again in this game, It is not pleasant to talk to you and I don't even know who you are.

VOTE: turnstile Pooky

[Imperium]

midway bear could be scum. I had an early town read on him but that grew really stale.

[Hench Princesses]

Gross about what? You are saying something untrue about my friend and I know her to not be like that.

I said she blew things out of proportion for no reason--not for scummy reasons or a scum agenda--for

no reason,

in ways that make

both of us

enjoy the game less. That is almost objectively true. And frankly your take on this nearly OOG topic is of almost no interest to me whatsoever. Stay out of it.

VOTE: Pooky

How do you not have a shelly read. Stop using an OOG discussion between two players as an excuse to have no reads.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you should read my posts instead of just spamming bullshit

[Hench Princesses]

Shelly is outside of scumrange on the WIM front, she feels like she just gave up on this game.

what does this mean?

[Hench Princesses]

It feels like her play in Hideyoshi where she just ghosted the thread completely despite being locked in a 1v1 with me where I was conf-scum to her, she just never felt very interested in the game.

so she was town in Hideyoshi?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it means her WIM feels closer to townShelly than ScumShelly

[Imperium]

oh that was a hammer huh?

Bye pooky

[Hench Princesses]

So you agree with my read? Why have you had no interest in bell's push or Annie sheeping bell? Do you think they're all just mistaken or are you more or less uncertain of shelly, more leaning town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in Hideyoshi we were confscum to each other and town knew this info and if either of us died the other side would lose automatically

she basically ghosted the thread and barely showed up, leading to town losing

in dark waltz she replaced into a doomed scum slot and high wimed it spamming all sorts of bullshit even tho literally 0 people believed she could be town.

This looks way closer to what she did in Hideyoshi than what she did in Dark Waltz.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So you agree with my read? Why have you had no interest in bell's push or Annie sheeping bell? Do you think they're all just mistaken or are you more or less uncertain of shelly, more leaning town?

i told you multiple times i was busy doing other things

I dont even post that much in this thread so i dont know how you keep forgetting what I post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well obviously I cant evaluate shelly's activity/WIM as its happening. I need her to actually ghost this thread for multiple days straight before I can be sure it looks like low wim town shelly

can she be doing it on purpose to break meta and exploit her town tells? yea sure but i dunno how likely that is.

[Hench Princesses]

in Hideyoshi we were confscum to each other and town knew this info and if either of us died the other side would lose automatically

she basically ghosted the thread and barely showed up, leading to town losing

hideyoshi was multiball? can you just link the game I feel like I need to just look at this so I can see what you mean on my own

[Brian Skies]

Almost50's entrance looks forced to me, like he thought about a way he could look town while entering the thread instead of... entering the thread as town

idk it's hard to explain

I don't think I've ever played with him before so maybe meta-ing him to see if there's any similar behavior would be productive

Like he saw that something ~juicy~ happened with the replacement and was like "oh this is a safe way to look productive"

This is what I thought you meant and I agreed. Still kinda do.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84911

hideyoshi is open 2 mafia vs 4 town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh that was a hammer huh?

Bye pooky

It's ok Tammy


I believe in you

I believe in the plan.

I'd STRlock:

Imp
Brian
Bell
Unwnd-slot.

you just need 3 more to win it. I'll be waiting on the other side.

[Hench Princesses]

I feel like I still don't get the open setup even after having read it

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Hideyoshi

shelly is "Dr. Hideyoshi" (so town aligned but a weird specific town role)

pooky is confirmed scum to shelly, and shelly is confirmed town to pooky (obviously), but the town does not know which is which, just that they're not aligned

the setup might be weird enough that I'd not want to use it as a meta model for this game, maybe I'm overthinking it though and it seemed very intuitive for those playing it.

[Hench Princesses]

btw i didnt realise that pooky was confscum before since i completely misread the setup and it confused me a lot

or not lol

anyway the actual main difference that jumps at me would be here:

bulgeeeeeeeeeeee

i think im roughly at town -> scum:

gloria
bulge

TGP



hellbooks


pooky

insofar as town as shelly even in a confusing mechanical game can still produce reads lists. That being said this is much larger game so it could just be that she is slower on a readslist here given she's also been prepetually not-caught-up

she does tend to lead with assertive reads at first and then do solving later so she's kinda on pace for that trajectory

still not sure this is so similar I'd hard towncase off a single game of meta

[Hench Princesses]

and her pacing here actually is similar, she did find ~4-5 reads early on, she didn't organize it into a reads list and instead seemed to be looking for towncore which maybe could be town indicative