TENET - Game Over

[Hench Princesses]

I feel like almost every player that has been run up in either thread is someone that has called SB9 scum

reverse timestream power should be on that slot

[Brian Skies]

A world of scum titus looks like this. Sirius like, posted some shitty rule-breaking plan or something in the scum PT and got force-replaced after stealing one of his scumbuddy's plans for how town would play the mech.

How is this even a real thought to you?

[zMuffinMan]

shellyc's claim is interesting in that i don't really understand the purpose of it if she's scum

it's not a good claim for the sake of survival (practically useless if you don't even know the alignment of whoever gets the result, which also makes it potentially unverifiable)

it's not a strong role that people would think "yeah that's definitely a role we need to keep alive at the risk of it being a scum claim"



basically it's not a claim i'd do if i wanted to survive as scum

but i am being continually reminded that this is not a good measure for scum nowadays



i guess one possibility is it's _close_ to her real role and she's feeding info to a scum mate in the uncouth timeline? *shrug*

that's about the only sensible explanation for it i can think of

[zMuffinMan]

i suppose i should actually read ISOs instead of just thinking about the claim, but effort...

ill get around to it soon though

[Hench Princesses]

How is this even a real thought to you?

I don't know how to answer that question lol

the whole point of the exercise is to think through scenarios where someone should have been obvious scum, to think through what I might have missed that could have dramatically altered perceptions, not to really flesh out what I think actually happened. I kinda dropped it in later people in the list because I did think the titus one felt reachy and distracting maybe

[Hench Princesses]

I'm really confused because the wording of the role makes it sound like if she switches timelines then someone in this thread would be getting the information with her, like every time she switches a new random schmuck gets random messages at daybreak. idk I feel like I need to have her breakdown her role more specifically to even get it

if convolutedness is a level of towniness in this game then I guess she'd be more town for it

[Gypyx]

Kinda feels like this claim is perfect for scum!shelly to survive tbh

I kinda don't get this take because this claim makes it sound like shelly played poorly today in not claiming earlier. I guess you mean in the sense that it basically begs to just let her get turnstiled tomorrow? but follower is not so strong a PR that towns would not just flip through it. can you expand on what strikes you as actually survivalistic about it?

Well yeah basically, and the way shelly presented it, she presented it in a way that really encourages turnstiling her

Plus, skitter claims cross-thread watcher right? Imo those 2 claims can't both be real as they have the same fuction, but don't work in the same manner

What's your opinion on it?

Pedit : well there you go lol

[Hench Princesses]

first, wait you know when skitter claimed? I thought you weren't even caught up on this thread, I didn't realize you were watching the other closely

Second, can you link skitter's claim in that case? Do you think that skitter was actually claiming like a receiving counter-point of shelly's role?

[Brian Skies]

How is this even a real thought to you?

I don't know how to answer that question lol

the whole point of the exercise is to think through scenarios where someone should have been obvious scum, to think through what I might have missed that could have dramatically altered perceptions, not to really flesh out what I think actually happened. I kinda dropped it in later people in the list because I did think the titus one felt reachy and distracting maybe

I'm actually still reading through that massive wall. It stood out to me, but after reading more of the context, I don't actually have an issue with it.

[Gypyx]

shellyc's claim is interesting in that i don't really understand the purpose of it if she's scum

it's not a good claim for the sake of survival (practically useless if you don't even know the alignment of whoever gets the result, which also makes it potentially unverifiable)

it's not a strong role that people would think "yeah that's definitely a role we need to keep alive at the risk of it being a scum claim"



basically it's not a claim i'd do if i wanted to survive as scum

but i am being continually reminded that this is not a good measure for scum nowadays



i guess one possibility is it's _close_ to her real role and she's feeding info to a scum mate in the uncouth timeline? *shrug*

that's about the only sensible explanation for it i can think of

Well, i think it's the opposite, like this claim is basically

"Guys i'm confirmable by another person but sadly that other person can't speak rn"

And

"Y'all should use the non-lethal elimination method"

Which makes sense with shelly trying to buy time

[Gypyx]

first, wait you know when skitter claimed? I thought you weren't even caught up on this thread, I didn't realize you were watching the other closely

Second, can you link skitter's claim in that case? Do you think that skitter was actually claiming like a receiving counter-point of shelly's role?

Other thread has a couple. Skitter claims to a be a watcher in this thread, and gamma has claimed bodyguard. Firebringer has also claimed odd night cop in this thread.

We have no claims here.

Hold on, just realized i *might* have misinterperted the claim

I'll go look for it in the inverted

[Hench Princesses]

Subject: 7 yaD - TENET

I guarantee you, if you are town, Skitter, scum are town reading you. Maybe not all scum, sure, but there are likely multiple.

There's exactly two people townreading me atm, and i'm p confident they are both town

Vt in this timestream
Watcher in the other

I have softed numerous, numerous times, and y'all absolutely should not have sent annie over. Someone (noraa) said earlier that watchers should be on imperium ... well she would be except she's stuck over here

Gamma's vote on me is awful in a scummy way, in particular his reasons for *keeping the vote on despite admittinf his reasons for scumreading me were bad*
Fl is probably town but ridiculously tunneled and frustrating
Deacon is town
Superbowl is town
(I am super, super, super confident in the last two)
Lld might be scum
Fire might be scum
Dandelion wine might be town
Noraa maybe also but again it's off of like 3 posts
Midwaybear is maybe town
Ss is probably town

Glhv i am very frustrated and not enjoying this much at all and i need a break from this

UNVOTE: gamma
Putting this back on ^

Dont let flavor dictate everything because he's at best hilariously wrong and at worst scum

[Hench Princesses]

I don't really see how this precludes shelly's role from existing?

[Gypyx]

No just forget about it, i thought that like, skitter was able to watch in our thread from the inverted thread

So yeah, those 2 roles can totally exist together

[Hench Princesses]

gx do you have a read on annie?

[Hench Princesses]

Since I'm passing out now and am having doubts about shelly, I'm going to go ahead and convey to skitter how much I don't take her reads seriously by sheeping her

VOTE: annie

Now that I've voted every other obvious town, maybe someone can explain why this slot is non-negotiable obvious town by the time I wake up

[Hench Princesses]

I feel like usually when I have end of day hottakes like this the consensus flip always ends up being scum. For a moment I had like this bright flash of 'oh maybe skitter is onto something' but then I keep thinking back to the stupid dumbtell thing. Idk, maybe I eat shit for that vote but it's where my thoughts are tonight anyway. Someone give me better reasons for this slot to be town please

[Hench Princesses]

eh maybe gx is right and it's just survivalistic

fuck I need to stop thinking about mafia

[Brian Skies]

I just noticed two muffins in the back of my freezer and am now debating whether I should take the risk and try eating one.

[Brian Skies]

good thing they rushed a hammer on incredibly obvious town

Explain?

[Spiffeh]

I think shelly's probably telling the truth about her role, but that doesn't really mean anything one way or the other in terms of her alignment

[Brian Skies]

Maybe I'm wrong on A50.

[Spiffeh]

Gypyx do you have any strong reads atm?

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, I changed my mind and no longer want to yeet A50.

[Annie Edison]

Hm.

Leave the claim for today and tomorrow I think, but I’ll discuss it more in the purple room to decide how I feel about it.