Yellowstone

[Marky Mark]

Would take a POE rn of Toog, Horse, Flea and Vax rn.

Nono is being replaced afaik so hopefully that slot will sort itself out by having a more active player come into it. I would, however, take Pig as a compromise policy elim if we don't get much more from them. I suspect we probably have enough consensus though for this not to be an issue.

There feels like there has been a lot of unnecessary abrasiveness in some recent posts and perhaps is just new players changing the vibe, but I really hope this game doesn't descend into a slanging match like Bending did :S

[MathBlade]

Would take a POE rn of Toog, Horse, Flea and Vax rn.

Nono is being replaced afaik so hopefully that slot will sort itself out by having a more active player come into it. I would, however, take Pig as a compromise policy elim if we don't get much more from them. I suspect we probably have enough consensus though for this not to be an issue.

There feels like there has been a lot of unnecessary abrasiveness in some recent posts and perhaps is just new players changing the vibe, but I really hope this game doesn't descend into a slanging match like Bending did :S

I am nono.

[Marky Mark]

Like just to be clear I am certainly not against a horse elim today, but I think there's some sus behavior off the back of the mom wagon that needs explaining from Toog and Flea. Inf, Horse and Toog were in the 3/4/5 slots on the mom wagon so I could definitely see at least one of those slots in the wagon sweet spot being scum and would currently take toog over horse. Flea was not on the wagon but there is absolutely scum motivation for trying to so doubt on the mason claim

--pedit ah right, my mistake. Like I say, I will go through and digest stuff properly tomorrow now that I am done with work for a while, but 13 pages is just a lot to try and catch up on

[Guillotina]

Right, I have at least read the last 13 pages. Digesting it all and applying scrutiny will happen at an undisclosed date TBC

UNVOTE: Momrangal - because eliming a claimed mason would be bad. Cool things that came out of this wagon include:
--Premature claim - being elimed overnight from E-2 seems like overcaution to me (++TR for JV asking the same question that was in my head ref this in 793). This being said, I reckon the claim is probably legit because would be a massive risk to fake-claim mason and get counterclaimed.
--789 from flea casting doubt over the mason claim confused me - @Flea: why don't you believe the claim?
--973 is a mahooosive stretch from noraa to try and shade DGB by implying they were avoiding the thread in case mom got hammered in the meantime

Math makes a good argument ref infinity's seemingly inconsistent position on Mom ref whether he believed their claim or not

BUT

the bigger question is why did Toog vote there after the claim? I was TRing them before this wagon but their behavior (vote there after the claim then subsequently unvote) just straight-up confuses me. Wondering if TSTBS

Guillo is swinging ++TR of the back of the last 10 pages or so - I won't quote any single post as it is more the consistent proactiveness and analysis. @Guillo - I have skimmed your response to me ref why you SR me so thanks for taking the time to articulate that and I'll take the time to properly read it and respond tomorrow IRL.

++SR Pig for 858 - his only contribution of the back off all that drama was his unvote and some IIOA (checkout me learning all the lingo!)

Keen to hear from Flea ref why they weren't convinced ref the mason claim and from toog ref his post-claim vote. These are two potential smoking guns right now IMO

VOTE: Toogeloo seems like a good place to be for now. Ref horse, I need to look at her more as stuff like 683 where she defends Mom just feels ++TR. If they were scum and looking likely the most likely elim today then why would they try to defend the next most likely elim target at the time?

I love this post and looking forward to your response to my read on you.

I'm willing to eliminate Toogeloo if Horsewoman and Noraa yeets are out of question today.

In order of preference: Noraa, Horsewoman, Toogeloo

Pig, i'd like to request a Prod, im not yeeting that slot today as it would give us no information.

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE

Math has come out guns ablazing in the scumhunt since replacing noelim.

Pig posted here thus unavailable for prod

[Marky Mark]

Fwiw, I did find Mom scummy and the game seemed to be going round in circles over Horse, so I voted there to have a poke at another slot that seemed sus to me in the hope that they would respond. I feel like DGB joined that wagon with similar motivations, which seems like ++TR to me

--pedit, yeah down with a prod on pig. There prodge was literally an unvote and summary of events which didn't really help at all with reading their slot

--pedit 2 I guess its mod discretion but that's literally just stating the game state, there's no attempt to even cast any slot as town/scum there

[Marky Mark]

As in Pig was literally just stating the game state, not you Math

[Guillotina]

Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour include

Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.

Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.

BTW why didn't anyone tunnel guillo for saying the same thing horse did? Im flipped thru his iso rn and this stuck out like a sore thumb

Because unlike Horsewoman, i dont expect players to take it easy on me for being new to the forum maybe?

What's next?

[Flea The Magician]

Right, I have at least read the last 13 pages. Digesting it all and applying scrutiny will happen at an undisclosed date TBC

--789 from flea casting doubt over the mason claim confused me - @Flea: why don't you believe the claim?

Keen to hear from Flea ref why they weren't convinced ref the mason claim and from toog ref his post-claim vote. These are two potential smoking guns right now IMO

It came without any significant pressure and without coaxing.

It's an easy claim to drop and get away with.

[MathBlade]

As much as it’s beneficial anything that can resemble a gamestate can’t be prodded otherwise a mod has to make a judgment as to what content is. It’d be undue mod interference.

[Flea The Magician]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

Calm down pinocchio

[Noraa]

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"

well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.

"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"

Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......

Now this is revealing.

Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.

The hypocrisy is not lost. When you want to defend someone with meta, it's fine. Someone else however, NO NO NO King Guillo will behead you for not listening to him.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE

Math has come out guns ablazing in the scumhunt since replacing noelim.

Pig posted here thus unavailable for prod

Then wait for him to catch up, if he does not, we push.

[Marky Mark]

Right, I have at least read the last 13 pages. Digesting it all and applying scrutiny will happen at an undisclosed date TBC

--789 from flea casting doubt over the mason claim confused me - @Flea: why don't you believe the claim?

Keen to hear from Flea ref why they weren't convinced ref the mason claim and from toog ref his post-claim vote. These are two potential smoking guns right now IMO

It came without any significant pressure and without coaxing.

It's an easy claim to drop and get away with.

How is it an easy claim to get away with?? Surely they run the risk of any actual masons counterclaiming

Also, if they were then later pressured to reveal their mason partner, they would have to name a scumbuddy as if they named a townie then the townie would just hard CC them by not being a mason.

If anything, Mason feels like one of the riskiest possible fakeclaims

[Guillotina]

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"

well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.

"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"

Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......

Now this is revealing.

Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a

behavior pattern

rather than an AI.

The hypocrisy is not lost. When you want to defend someone with meta, it's fine. Someone else however, NO NO NO King Guillo will behead you for not listening to him.

I was not looking for meta, i was looking for

BEHAVIOR

!

Your shading intensifies! You remain in my scum list!

[Guillotina]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

Calm down pinocchio

If you are saying that im lying. Prove it!

[Noraa]

No I think guillo is almost certainly scum here.

Reading his ISO basically everyone starts out Null/TR. The moment you disagree, u get moved down. Once there are too many people moved down, he just randomly moves a few back up. Ie Toog, Mark.

This is not towny at all. I don't see how anyone can scum read Guillo here.

He keeps hard SRing Horse yet he seems so fine with dropping that read instantly. Like the moment consensus shifts, he's like BYE.

He says meta is trash but then its fine to use it to justify a TR on horse?

I just think he's trying way too hard to blend into consensus and form consensus himself as well.

[Noraa]

If you are saying that im lying. Prove it!

Lol prove that I'm lying.

wtf kind of a request is that?

[Noraa]

I was not looking for meta, i was looking for BEHAVIOR!

Your shading intensifies! You remain in my scum list!

haha okay then

[Noraa]

I'm feeling like I'm pooky rn and its making me so happy lol.

[Vaxkiller]

No I think guillo is almost certainly scum here.

Reading his ISO basically everyone starts out Null/TR. The moment you disagree, u get moved down. Once there are too many people moved down, he just randomly moves a few back up. Ie Toog, Mark.

This is not towny at all. I don't see how anyone can scum read Guillo here.

He keeps hard SRing Horse yet he seems so fine with dropping that read instantly. Like the moment consensus shifts, he's like BYE.

He says meta is trash but then its fine to use it to justify a TR on horse?

I just think he's trying way too hard to blend into consensus and form consensus himself as well.

And how did they play in previous games?

[Flea The Magician]

Right, I have at least read the last 13 pages. Digesting it all and applying scrutiny will happen at an undisclosed date TBC

--789 from flea casting doubt over the mason claim confused me - @Flea: why don't you believe the claim?

Keen to hear from Flea ref why they weren't convinced ref the mason claim and from toog ref his post-claim vote. These are two potential smoking guns right now IMO

It came without any significant pressure and without coaxing.

It's an easy claim to drop and get away with.

How is it an easy claim to get away with?? Surely they run the risk of any actual masons counterclaiming

Also, if they were then later pressured to reveal their mason partner, they would have to name a scumbuddy as if they named a townie then the townie would just hard CC them by not being a mason.

If anything, Mason feels like one of the riskiest possible fakeclaims

That I'm aware of masons are considered incredbly powerful for town, in a closed setup with scum having more information than town they would be able to make a decent guess if that was liable to be a case or not based on their own power.

[Flea The Magician]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

Calm down pinocchio

If you are saying that im lying. Prove it!

Depends what you think I'm saying you're lying about

[Flea The Magician]

If you are saying that im lying. Prove it!

Lol prove that I'm lying.

wtf kind of a request is that?

Actually quite typical of their behavior.

You know something, I'm not finishing my ISO. I'm happy with my read as a result of it.

[Guillotina]

No I think guillo is almost certainly scum here.

Reading his ISO basically everyone starts out Null/TR.

The moment you disagree, u get moved down

. Once there are too many people moved down, he just randomly moves a few back up. Ie Toog, Mark.

This is not towny at all.

I don't see how anyone can scum read Guillo here.

He keeps hard SRing Horse yet he seems so fine with dropping that read instantly

. Like the moment consensus shifts, he's like BYE.

He says meta is trash but then its fine to use it to justify a TR on horse?

I just think he's trying way too hard to blend into consensus and form consensus himself as well.

1) JacksonVirgo has disagreed with me, he is still townread. Nono was in my null list, Math took over, we've disagree in pushing methods, i town read him.

2) Did you mean cannot? Or was that a slip?

3) I've never dropped my read on Horsewoman, i called a truce on her to see if she'd town up. She is still in the bottom of my list and im playing consistently with my read on her in this game so far.

I'm never getting yeeted here. But if i do, my flip will give town information that will help them win the game. Im confident about that.