Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[unwnd]

It'd be the same reason I'd vote myself in this position

As in, if I were in this game and saw someone posting like me. You think I'm leaning too far into the helpful IC vibe to produce content

[Mikul]

I have peta and molla as town

I'd be willing to kick quiet or lunar. I'm still leaning quiet.

[quiet]

I'm struggling pretty hard with my scumpicks.
BB and Lunar gave me scum vibes initially, but they're pretty null for me now.
No idea how to read peta, no read on safebet, unwnd...also confuses me. Later tonight, I'm going to re-read all three of them.
Not enough from Mr. Turtle yet.

I have town Ill, Mikul. (dispite continuously sussing me, still don't know how to fix that)

[quiet]

I would like everyone to put forth their strongest scumread or the person they would be willing to lim the most today; You may also post your strongest townread as well in conjuction

You've got two of ours, I'd like to see yours before too many more people give theirs.

[unwnd]

Rest assured I will get to that. I'm kinda just thinking about how I want to go about it

[unwnd]

I want to try and be more encompassing to the other players. What I said about enjoying everyone and getting to know them wasn't untrue, though it is a bit more flowery than normal. I'm not trying to act in a way that is condescending either, and I'm not saying the equilvalent of 'taking it easy for the newbies' or 'if i were trying things would be different'. I am trying, just in a different way.

[petapan]

It'd be the same reason I'd vote myself in this position

As in, if I were in this game and saw someone posting like me. You think I'm leaning too far into the helpful IC vibe to produce content

pretty much yes

[unwnd]

It'd be the same reason I'd vote myself in this position

As in, if I were in this game and saw someone posting like me. You think I'm leaning too far into the helpful IC vibe to produce content

pretty much yes

Alright then

Spoiler:

Help me out here. I don't believe it's wrong to maintain a sense of ego and I'm a little afraid of going too hard. I don't want to become an obvious influence and I was looking forward to just giving helpful advice and letting the thread progress naturally instead of forcing things to go my way. I will say it is a bit difficult not to, and my whole 'hey, we're spectulating too much' and 'not enough commitment' was basically a really polite way to say that I think our conversations right now while intriguing are not necessarily productive, I just didn't wanna discourage anyone lol

[quiet]

a totally unrelated question
unwnd, found your thread on town meta/hyperposting. Thought it was interesting, and seems to inform maybe the reason you joined this game?

Has my posting been hyperposting? I’ve been super jazzed to play, so I’ve been jumping in a lot, but reading over your thread plus some of the responses (safebet, lunar, mr turtle) talking about the challenges of catching up, maybe you are on to something.

I’m curious if you think I should be sitting back more. Open to anyone else’s thoughts on that too, just found it interesting.

I also recognize the irony of posting to ask if I’m posting too much.

[safebet222]

a totally unrelated question
unwnd, found your thread on town meta/hyperposting. Thought it was interesting, and seems to inform maybe the reason you joined this game?

Has my posting been hyperposting? I’ve been super jazzed to play, so I’ve been jumping in a lot, but reading over your thread plus some of the responses (safebet, lunar, mr turtle) talking about the challenges of catching up, maybe you are on to something.

I’m curious if you think I should be sitting back more. Open to anyone else’s thoughts on that too, just found it interesting.

I also recognize the irony of posting to ask if I’m posting too much.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me its been a result of RL. The last several days have been simply busy so less Mafia for me. That's why I've been posting in mini bursts. I have read parts of that same thread, too. It's been an interesting read

[safebet222]

I don't understand what was so great about this take... I thought it is pretty typical of players who play like this and should be expected by someone doing a meta dive of any kind.

That's my whole point. I didn't know he played like this before the metadive. I didn't understand and thought his pattern of posting and his vote on Lunar was scummy before I did the metadive, before he posted explaining it, and before other people confirmed this was his playstyle. How am I supposed to know what's typical of players who play like this....before I play with them and before I dive on them, which is when I voted?

Before I knew that, I was suspicious of him for it.

Now I know it, which means my reasons for voting him originally were provably wrong. He went from scum to null for me.

Is it better to keep vote on a null, given that I have some town reads? Or better to unvote after your original reason for voting is provably wrong? That's my waffling question.

You change of heart about BB isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how you inflated the importance of that post by calling it a "gem." Just struck me as strange. And it was the tone of the other post that I read as scummy, it wasn't necessarily the action itself. I felt it was fabricated.

[safebet222]

They just smack of WIFOM that confuses newbtown toward a wagon that is a miselim... That isn't to say that mentioning it is bad, you should be cognizant that many of these reads may go either way, but repeating this fact over and over is more hedging his bets to stay safe in case there is a flip...

Post 191 is more of the same... as soon as he's asked to defend his read he slides back into this hedging so he can say if quiet happens to flip green, "I did say it was a 60/40 shot".

So, in short, it isn't changing my read so far of him... still leaning scum.

hedging just seems to be a part of his posting style. but on a gut level, i feel like he is town. i don't have the words or the patience to go into detail right now, though. i feel that you are town, as well.

Understood.

[safebet222]

Spoiler:

Quiet

28 - 31 - These are the posts that bothered me before

To properly roleplay my naïveté,

it feels only right and natrual to sheep for unwnd. @unwnd, please be my guiding hand, teach me the ways of killing scum.

In the end, I decided that I would commit to the role, and really embrace my inner sheep. @unwnd, I need you to come back and teach me fast, so I can make sure to vote for the right person today.

What's the GTO strategy here? We talkin mixed equilibriums? What's the vibe?

This entire post pings me as fake and forced


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going to stop for a second to drive home this fishing for sympathy point, i was making. Here are ones that stick out to me

in fact, a total newbie. There's not much I can do on my first post to be town indicative, afaik, so why not pick the most fun thing and go with it.

I think I'm having a good amount of fun, but there's also the sad reality that I'm decently awkward as a person.

Quick Newbie Reads:

but I could be getting pocketed over that, and y'all experienced people make me paranoid.

Also hi Mr. Turtle, what is going on in your life? Am very excited for a (sort of kind of) 3rd party opinion on everything that's gone down so far. I'll be eagerly and patiently waiting .

The posting pattern that he starts with is trying to say he is a newb, and that he wants to be led to victory. Or that he has "newbie" reads and he makes sure to point this out. Reading back on this I think he has more experience that he is letting on. I actually think the "new player" thing is almost either for sure a reaction test or way to garner town cred. He may have not played mafia, but I'm sure he's familiar with it. He's to familiar with how the game functions and the intricacies of it.


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37 - This read seems forced af. Like he's looking for a reason to offer a read. The reasoning behind the read is even more weird
44 - Pointing out that he is new and nervous. This in iso makes me really question this. He is really quick to point out how new he is. Mentioned this above, and I think he has more experience or is more familiar with this than he is letting on. The more I read this the more I think it's more scummy than town. I def do not read this as "noob town" as much in iso
68 - This is playing up other peoples mafia experience and downplaying himself yet again. This is habitual at this point
82 - offers read and again, says his "newbie list"

to point out who he is not interacting with up to this point.

He voted Molla
Went straight into cuddling with unwnd
Has engaged with peta
has engaged with safe bet
has engaged with il


There has almost been a complete separation from lunar , even reading past this. There is like no interaction there. He has asked about lunar and engaged in conversation about him, and said he could put his vote there at a point but never really engaged with him directly about why he is scum reading him.

Pedit : he did put a vote on him but still limited engagement with him directly




got to here and was going to post more but just got lost in cyberpunk. I think after this, he stopped doing a lot of what was bothering me and toned it down. Will glance over the rest tomorrow morning at work and see if its worth mentioning but most of the stuff i noticed ended there

I don't know mikul... People do this all the time IRL... "I'm not an expert but..." or "I don't know what I'm doing but I'll try..." or "I'm new so forgive me if I'm doing this wrong..." "There are more experienced people here so tell me if I'm wrong." It's really very common. It denotes a lack of confidence not an intention to mislead.

You are also premising your case on the fact you believe he is more experienced than he says he is. So what makes it likely that he is lying about his experience level? Is there some proof or is it because it confirms what you'd like us to believe about him?

[unwnd]

Hey Safebet, when you get a chance could you respond to my #205?

[safebet222]

Sure...

1st: Your BB read is disingenuous, I think you understand exactly what BB's style is and that its

effective regardless of alignment.

Also, its interesting that you're scum hunting but null read half the field...

Doesn't that mean it could come from scum? I've given my reasons as to why I believe this.

Of course it could... Almost everything in this game

could

come from scum. That's not my point, my point is your case is disingenuous... it doesn't make sense with everything else you've posted. And I made my reasoning clear.

I'm off to sleep. The kiddos get up early. Good night!

[BBmolla]

VOTE: unwnd

Spoiler:

I get why you voted me, but you're reading it wrong

VOTE: unwnd

[unwnd]

Sure...

1st: Your BB read is disingenuous, I think you understand exactly what BB's style is and that its

effective regardless of alignment.

Also, its interesting that you're scum hunting but null read half the field...

Doesn't that mean it could come from scum? I've given my reasons as to why I believe this.

Of course it could... Almost everything in this game

could

come from scum. That's not my point, my point is your case is disingenuous... it doesn't make sense with everything else you've posted. And I made my reasoning clear.

I'm off to sleep. The kiddos get up early. Good night!

I've refuted your stance actually and given counter-evidence as to why it isn't. Did you read what I've been saying up until this point?

[unwnd]

Actually, trying to say 'read my old posts' is kinda a self-defeating argument in itself. I will say however that proceeding to call my stance disingenuous due to what I would deem to be prior behavior is a bit lazy on your end. Where does scummy and disagreement overlap? Right now I don't necessarily see your full perspective, and I don't know if you're willing to give it. We could go on and on about 'what if's' but eventually people will have to pick a side which in turn gives me a broader read on everyone else so I welcome this.

[fferyllt]

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unwnd

(3): safebet222, petapan, BBmolla

Lunar Martian

(2): Illwei, quiet

BBmolla

(2): unwnd, Lunar Martian

quiet

(1): Mikul

Not Voting

(1): Mr Turtle

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: December 27, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2020-12-27 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Mikul]

I do think we really need to start trying to focus in on someone with directed pressure as a group. We need to lynch on 9 player games and we are all over the place.

Molla - he's seem to be playing a bit all over the play a tad unhinged and unreserved. I suspect a lot of this is to see reactions from people. - lean town

Uwnd - has played in the background and has not really zoned in on anyone. Could be because he actually wants to help people learn or avoid taking a stance and let us go all over the place. He's very hard to read and his posts are very calculated. I will note that he hasn't taken many hard stances at all this dp - null

Peta - had much the same approach as unwnd but was willing to give reads on pressure. I also read his vote on unwnd as really town. - lean town

Quiet - I still can't shake this scum read on him. Partially because I think he has more experience than he's saying regardless of him saying he doesn't. Me town reading him would be accepting that's he's like brand new. I can't accept that so I think a lot of his post seemed faked - lean scum

Lunar - can't even explain this if I tried. Just a total gut check but comes off as scum. - lean scum

Safe bet - mostly bull. His posting patterns has been similar to mine. Seems to be busy , posts in small amounts and backs off. It is the holidays and no hard stances. I haven't noticed anything that has made me think he's town, or he's scum in his posting. At least nothing that has stuck out to me - null.

Me turtle - need to be replaced. Not even content to get even a hint of a tell

Illwei - exact opposite of lunar. His posting pegs me as town and it's really hard to explain why. He seems to actually enjoy the thrill of the hunt and the detail of him explaining his thoughts come off as town to me. I haven't seen any conflicting statements or contradictions in his posting. But something about him gives me a strong town but read

If I were to go down the list and pick how I would like to focus

Quiet
Lunar
Uwnd
Safebet


I think we really need to start pushing for at least one claim sober get something this dp and start aiming a directed lynch before we are on a time crunch.

[Mikul]

Christ phone typos. If you need me to decode that pls tag me.

[Mr Turtle]

It's quite overwhelming, honestly. I've been trying to make reads, but I wouldn't call them successful as a clear majority of them are nulls.

that's okay, making reads is hard and if you're new it's to be expected you'll have trouble, seeing as knowing what to look for only comes with experience. can you give your specific feelings on anyone in this game? you don't have to reach conclusions, just talk about their posts and what they make you think.

Quiet seemed like a newer player in the beginning, excited and motivated to play. It kind of gave me a town read on them. As time progressed, I feel like Quiet has shown more skill than I thought he had in the beginning. Enough skill to fake such behavior. I've had doubts on his alignment ever since.
Other than that I can clearly tell that BBMolla, Unwnd, Petapan and Mikul all seem experienced at mafia.

[Mikul]

@mr turtle

Hey there baby, while I got you online do me a huge favor.

1) summarize your thoughts on the dp
2) who would you like to lynch and why
3) top town and scum reads.

Make sure you butter the bread a little bit to make up for only have 3 posts.


*Muah*

[Mikul]

Also depending on if he posts I'm not going to object to hard pressure on him. Lack of activity can also kill town. And he's posting enough to stay in the game and not get much of a prompt.

[Mikul]

@uwnd

What would you do about turtle?