Alright let's drop the act for this one, it's clear to me that anything less blunt and to the point commentary is going to be considered by our sharpened steel friend here.
In post 36, Guillotina wrote:
Yaaaah! I'm here to lighten your days yo!
Make your days grand while killing scum!
Which given these have a nice and chill vibe to them amuses me greatly
.
It amuses me that you'd take my word for it. You don't even know me.
In post 96, Guillotina wrote:
New to the forum right?
In post 30, Horsewoman wrote:
Yah, new to the forum.
VOTE: No Elim. But not like the user no elim, like a vote to not elim
Ok
{. Are you new to the forum or pretending to be new to the forum?
This denotes excitement, wants to get the game going. Horsewoman, it's a 10-day Day phase game.
In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
You were bored and you are probably used to fast games.
In post 70, Horsewoman wrote:To some extent, sure. It wasn't entirely serious in tone because I rarely am.
Yah, you've been fucking around.
In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
Not necessarily
Now this is his 4th post, and the game has moved on to page 3, almost page 4.
This is fairly
sharp
shift in tone and seems to be setting up for a SR imo.
Did you expect me to maintain my "I will ligthen your day" tone? I was not setting up HW to scumread her, I was trying to understand why she'd feel to say that she is new when the way she was playing and the terminology she uses did not come from a newbie. To me it felt like someone with experience trying to noobtell.
In post 98, Guillotina wrote: In post 83, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 43, Horsewoman wrote:Alright, someone do the protown thing and create something dumb and artificial to get us out of RVS
In post 68, Horsewoman wrote:I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me
This is the post of my main read, they're not even trying to post on interactions or anything. The game right now is on page 3, nobody would really have any solid reads at all but it doesn't mean we all just give up and let other's do everything. I first read this as a joke post as I've said, which is why I brushed off Marks read but then when they made that second post I quoted said that it was at least semi-serious and that's plain anti-town behaviour and I'm not going to let that slip regardless if they're Town acting anti-town.
In post 72, Horsewoman wrote:Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset
And then when I called it out for being anti-town behaviour they flipped the wording to make them look like they're actively trying to push the game out of RVS and solve and in extension discredit my case, they're blatantly trying to sap the town-cred from RVS. This is just straight scummy behaviour, what Town would twist the wording in this situation for their own self-gain.
Two questions, 1) do you think HW gave up and let others do everything?
2) In your experience, do all town members behave and act upon posts the same?
Testing the waters maybe? I'm probably stretching here but this is what it feels like to me at the moment.
If you think you are probably stretching is because you are. They were legit questions to what JV posted.
In post 107, Guillotina wrote: In post 99, JacksonVirgo wrote:Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour include
Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.
Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.
Me too! Hey look you made a fluff post with no point to it, what's the world coming to, hm?
It is not fluff if it is contributing to solving something for someone, in this case it did for myself, I did not understand the reference so I asked to get information to understand it.
In post 177, Guillotina wrote:Nice try at discrediting my way of game solving.
First, if the deep dive goes absolutely nowhere is because the content of it didn't. Thank you.
Two, my deep dive allowed me deduce that you attempted to noobtell and miserably failed.
Three, makes me wonder why you tried to noobtell? Either alignment do this, but why did you?
If the deep dive goes absolutely nowhere, then you're not doing it right, quite frankly. Your deep dive was a setup for something that hasn't quite panned out and is now making you look bad.
If you want to call people out for no-contenting, then at least provide some yourself. You can always provide content from nothing.
I disagree. I prefer to group posts together and reply to them all at once, it would be easy to comment to each of them separately to produce volume (fluff) and look busy, my interest in creating the multiquote post was to refer to it later for easy access while conserving the context of the conversation at that time.
In post 178, Guillotina wrote: In post 103, Noraa wrote:
Ok well im now 99% sure I have soul read on Flea and I think they're scum. Maybe will explain why later. A bit cautious treading in this territory cuz last I SRed Flea, they were town. Gimme some time to think.
Have you explained why already?
You could just read yourself and see.
If I saw it I wouldn't have asked.
In post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewoman
Now I like this one. "Hah you thought this point but not this point! Therefore you are scum, my dear!"
An untrained guilty mind would overlook that, she was focused on proving that she was not noobtelling, not that she was discrediting me, by not contesting it, her subconscious confirmed that she was.
In post 196, Guillotina wrote: In post 194, Flea The Magician wrote:Also I'll have you know I'm just as fluffy in real life. My queer butt just wants to love, be loved and hug friendos!
And also I will protect those I consider within the boundaries of my inner circle with my life. A truly scary sight to witness a fight or flight instinct be controlled and wielded in such a manner with reckless disregard for all but whom I stand to protect.
But thankfully the world isn't that full of meanies so I don't have to do that ʕ灬￫ᴥ￩灬ʔ
AtE?
Flea, what do you think about Horsewoman so far?
This ones also interesting. The context has been left out, potentially leaving it to be twisted for later deeds. It's a strictly out of game comment aimed at Nora when it comes to my personality beyond the game. You then take this moment to prod me on HW.
I disagree, the context is there. You were making emphasis about how you are as a person when such a thing is not relevant to how you may be as a slot with an alignment. It looked to me that you were trying to influence our reads by depicting how you are outside of the mafia game bubble.
In post 206, Guillotina wrote: In post 201, Marky Mark wrote: In post 165, Noraa wrote:barely caring about other people's SRs on you(which is a newbscum tell that says they know the people SRing are right so they are avoiding)
Thinking about it, this feels like an inaccuracy - in my (limited) experience, newbscum tend to panic when people vote them rather than playing it cool like a more seasoned player. Not sure if you are stretching the truth to fit the facts here or have just had a different experience of playing with new players (entirely possible).
Btw - pagetop without even realising until I'd posted #oblivious #ImJustThatGood
This is inaccurate. NoobsScum will ignore and evade town that scum read them by instinct.
A noob town will panic because in their own perspective, they should be obvious town cause they are being honest, so when they get votes they panic because they dont understand it.
Not always. If we were children, maybe.
Ok, I can agree with not always. I'm was not a child when I started playing this and I remember when I was a noob I reacted that way, so I will agree that not always that is the case.
In post 210, Guillotina wrote: In post 209, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 196, Guillotina wrote: In post 194, Flea The Magician wrote:Also I'll have you know I'm just as fluffy in real life. My queer butt just wants to love, be loved and hug friendos!
And also I will protect those I consider within the boundaries of my inner circle with my life. A truly scary sight to witness a fight or flight instinct be controlled and wielded in such a manner with reckless disregard for all but whom I stand to protect.
But thankfully the world isn't that full of meanies so I don't have to do that ʕ灬￫ᴥ￩灬ʔ
AtE?
Flea, what do you think about Horsewoman so far?
Not at all, just reflecting on my mannerisms ^_^ I am the universal parent friendo
Horsey is sus, but nothing significant as of yet.
If there is nothing significant, why you sus her? Explain please.
This is setting up for later, it's almost like gut instinct isn't allowed and I'm not allowed have my read without justification.
Why couldn't say so? "Just a gut feeling" looks like a valid answer to me.
Why mention me specifically? This is part of a setup imo.
Because at that point I couldn't sort you, so you were null.
In post 228, Guillotina wrote: In post 213, Flea The Magician wrote:
Gut reads and overall tone. Nothing significant and nothing worth building a case on.
#
212 is interesting though, what are you trying to achieve with this reads list?
Notes for my future self and my teammates, should I die, they can look into my ISO.
I love this.
It's stupidly NAI worded xD
I don't appreciate that you call my way of playing stupid. Sure, it's NAI but your comment is spiteful.
This whole comment is also NAI
In post 243, Guillotina wrote: In post 233, Noraa wrote:
Nah I liked his reply and now TR him. If he starts being scummy again tho, my walls of evidence will come strolling in in some tall high heels like clickety clack clack.
Maybe i was wrong townreading you. This is not how town proceeds.
VOTE: Noraa
Evidence of shading or i'll park this vote.
OBEY ME OR I'M GOING TO JUST be kinda lazy... hm.
It's called a push, you don't have to like it and honestly I don't care if you don't. She materialzed her "evidence" of shading, so it worked.
In post 246, Guillotina wrote: In post 245, JacksonVirgo wrote:
This is about where I’m at as well although I don’t think all three of those are scum together, I think at least one is though if that makes sense.
Yah i dont think I'm actually God of mafia and found 3 wolves in day 1. But those slots need to get sorted.
Horsewoman is obvscum! I'd yeet her first.
Potential associative? This is an extreme shift though, that pressure vote just *poof* gone faster than a fart in the wind. The vote on Noraa is now serving no purpose.
OK fine I can't help myself OK? This is why I said its half and half
Who says I can only push/solve one potential scum at a time? I could but I will not.
Because she's obvscum, obviously. pfft. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
In post 256, Guillotina wrote: In post 253, Horsewoman wrote:In post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewoman
Yes, i was attempting to discredit your deep dive because it was dumb. I wasnt trying to discresit you as a person or your slot. I also wasnt discrediting the deep dive because I thought you were onto me - the idea is laughable.
In a couple of hours I will read the game properly and come to conclusions
Curious again, i never said you did discredit me for any of those things, but if it is in your mind, it's because it's true.
In post 257, Guillotina wrote: In post 253, Horsewoman wrote:In post 188, Guillotina wrote:Curious how you fought the noobtell accusation but not the "attempt at discrediting me" one.
VOTE: Horsewoman
Yes, i was attempting to discredit your deep dive because it was
smart
. I
WAS
trying to discresit you as a person or your slot. I also
WAS
discrediting the deep dive because I thought you were onto me - the idea is
NOT
laughable.
In a couple of hours I will read the game properly and come to conclusions
This is what you are psychologically telling me.
I like these two posts...
Literally Guillotina putting words in mouth and trying to force something that I don't think is there.
This is an impressive Deathtunnel, shame about the execution though.
It's what I interpreted from a potential scum slot.
In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
LOOOK AT MEEEEE! I'M MR GUUUILLLLOTIIIIIINA!!!!
Attempt at putting pressure back on Noraa, which I sadly know won't work.
"You're obvscum! And I'mma vote yoooou! except you're not so amma vote Noraa instead because she won't OBEY." (✿˘艸˘✿)
I never took pressure off Nora, I was and still am pushing both, and now I'm pushing you too, so three! I can multitask and multitasking is NAI, don't you agree?
You seem to believe that we are supposed to focus on one red flag, newsflash, some do, some don't.
In post 289, Guillotina wrote: In post 273, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.
A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.
And yet there's an actual post where I literally just OMGUS'd and I got the best interaction in this game yet from it
In post 308, Guillotina wrote:Did Noraa froze?
Horsewoman, Llama slot and Noraa is where I'll vote today.
JK, Mark. Whom you'd most likely vote to yeet here?
See this is where I think these constant read lists are a little butt bitey. It's entirely NAI but I find it amusing that these lists are being stuck to like rigidly. There's 3 options and 3 options only. There's no information on town leans and no effort to solve outside these lists IMO.
Were not you saying that I was not focusing on Horsewoman to jump to Noraa and viceversa and that you thought that was bad, and when I focus on three people, it's bad too? Not to mention that throughout the entire day phase I addressed JV, Mark, Math, Momrangal and Vaxkiller too? At the time Noraa, Horsewoman and LlamaMama were my suspects, why wouldn't I focus on them? Like, why?
In post 309, Guillotina wrote: In post 307, Flea The Magician wrote:Helpful PC User EBWOP for him
In post 305, Guillotina wrote: In post 291, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 289, Guillotina wrote: In post 273, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.
A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.
They aren't you, not everyone is the same.
Townie response.
Flea, are you town? Your ISO is more fluff than game solving as of now.
Two in one.
As I've said earlier, I'm fluffy af as a person.o(〃＾▽＾〃)o
My game policy is "I'm here for good time not for long time!"
You cut past the fluff I post, and
you'll find content.
You have to be
willing to work for it,
which to me at this point it's clear you're not and I get a frustrated vibe from you towards me because of all this. Partly why I've dropped most of the persona from this ISO so you can read it and not get pissed off
I have quite a developed reads list at this point and have fewer nulls than you
Look inside and be afraid, of this impressive mess I've made. If you take a look now you will fiiiiiiiiind! I have done away with lies, done away with paradise, see whats going on inside my miiieeeeennnnnnnd mwahahaha
That's the thing, besides this post, I didn't find content, you procured that content after I pushed you for posting fluff! THIS POST!
It is arrogant from you to say that we should work for you so you can provide content! Town gives it willingly because we want to solve the game and win! I'm created content and move the thread with reads, pushes, tunnels and opinions in efforts to game solve! This is the right mindset. Expecting us to decipher what's fluff and what's not from you is ridiculous! Speak plainly! Get the hell out with your goddamn riddles!
Just as a friendly pointer, there's the ISO sections which let you look at players in ISOlation, and there's the Activity overview on the bottom that lets you see how active players are and how long since they last posted
As a less friendly note... this be fluff
Wow! I had not noticed the Activity Overview feature until now! Thank you! (Not sarcasm, I mean it). ISO is a bitch when someone has barely posted cause you have to find a post first to click ISO on.
In post 316, Guillotina wrote: In post 312, Noraa wrote:Ur town play is trash then if that's how you think. OMGUSing is something nearly every newbie does but thinking it is optimal play is pretty bad.
In post 313, Noraa wrote:Btw, my vote is gonna go here for a bit.
VOTE: Guillotina
The irony.
By the way, you don't get town points for OMGUSing me after I said why I think town would or should.
OMGUS is a term created by wolves to discredit town hunches on votes against them.
Also, next time I would appreciate if you did take quotes out of context, that's a very scummy thing to do. Do not worry though, I will look into the original posts for context.
Oh, my god. You suck.
A term created by wolves to discredit town pushes... but you want people to OMGUS you...
It's not a bad thing to do, honestly. and for some play styles, it's optimal. I use it occasionally because it gives me information I can work with ¡¡¡( •̀ ᴗ •́ )و!!!
But then I'm a weird player
Correct! I respect people who is not afraid to cast a reaction vote to a push they believe is unjustified, so long as they follow up on that reaction and work with me to let me see why I am wrong. If I'm a wolf and I made a scummy push on you and we are out of RVS phase and you cast a vote on me, I will try to discredit your vote with OMGUS, because OMGUS is supposed to dictate that such vote has less credibility because it is reactionary to mine! Since when whoever votes first is righter than the one that voted afterwards? You being afraid to cast that reactionary vote because you will look scummy for it can only come from scum, because they don't wanna look wolfy as OMGUS law dictates!
In post 321, Guillotina wrote: In post 319, Noraa wrote: In post 317, Guillotina wrote:By the way, you don't get town points for OMGUSing me after I said why I think town would or should.
OMGUS is a term created by wolves to discredit town hunches on votes against them.
you just called urself scum lol.
Nice try! I did,'t create the term dummy. It's been on existence since way before you started playing this.
See this is why I love Nora, Nora picks up on this shiz but doesn't call it out like I do.
Gulliotina coming in with the strawman defence.
I didn't create the term OMGUS, not a strawman defense, it's a fact!
In post 322, Guillotina wrote:Ok so
Town
Mark
JK
Momrangal
Null
Flea
Nono
DGB
no elim
Scum
Noraa
Horsewoman
LlamaMama
AGamblingPig
Toogeloo
And now we have a full reads list. All nulls included.
In post 325, Guillotina wrote: In post 324, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 323, Guillotina wrote:I'll keep my vote on Noraa, but i'm willing to come to a consensus with the people I town read to vote for someone else, as long as that someone else is in my scum list.
I like this.
"You can work with me but I'll only work with you if its in my interests!"
Now Noraa, see this? This is shading!
Flea, would you rather if i negotiated for a yeet in my town read list? How about in my null list? And why?
Double contexter, I actually quite like the response to my shade and it's AI IMO.
To answer the question, town reads not at all, null reads, yes. Absolutely yes. Your nulls should be a main focus IMO. Those are slots you need to sort. Given I've been specifically placed in your null list that means I've done something worthy of your attention, meaning I should be sorted by now. You've at best been idlying playing with your scum reads at this point and I get a lazy cat vibe from you overall.
You said it yourself! Nulls are slots we need to sort! SORT! but yeet them over those in your scum list? No! I sort them first if I cannot, they remain there until more evidence comes into play that allows to sort them. NOT BEFORE! Those in the scum list will get the axe first! Unless a wagon is formed against one of the players I town read that counters the wagon of a null, like Momrangal/Horsewoman, then yes! Null goes first!
When I put you in the null was because I was not sure if your style was scummy or you were just a town that was trolling. Hence I needed to sort you out. You went down the scummy list after though, so no worries! You are no longer a null!
In post 337, Guillotina wrote: In post 329, Toogeloo wrote:I can't not say I won't read fae not aligned with anti-town.
Faer fluffy.
I agree.
You went up to null, because you are either a smartass town or God Level WIFOM Mafia.
This is not a valid read to increase the read on someone.
You don't improve a read based on WIFOM drops or someone being a smartass. WIFOM is the weapon of the foul and low.
I disagree! In this case I didn't if it was WIFOM or a careless town making it difficult for the rest of us to read him, because there are all kinds of anti-town towns too.
If I were to apply your logic, you would have gone straight to the bottom of my list, never a null.
In post 342, Guillotina wrote:Town
Mark
JK
Momrangal
Null
Nono
DGB
no elim
Toogeloo
Scum
Flea
Noraa
Horsewoman
LlamaMama
AGamblingPig
Now we have some meat. Me and Toogs have swapped places. All I did was yeet some shade, and now I'm scum. Toogs was a smartass/WIFOM-bomber and moved up.
This progression is WEEEEERRRRIIIIIIDD!
Well, play stupid games and win stupid prizes! If you know that throwing shade is scummy, why do you? Why make it hard for us to sort you? We already have scum to find, why be the players that play like scum, adding up to our work load?
In post 345, Guillotina wrote:
I’m aware i can be wrong and I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Do that instead of posting fluff after fluff. Help me townread you if you are town. If you are wolf, keep doing what you are doing, i love it!
Which is manifested here. Now my posts are fluff after fluff after fluff. That lazy cat vibe is back again. I know there's content in my posts, and so do others. You just have to effort it to find it.
It's then the "Help me help you!" line... of laziness. This is more refusal to do anything and condemning me because of how I play the game. It's another case of "OBEY ME OR ELSE (i'm just going to be lazy and just like.. fluff push you I guess?)".
No! You are not the center of the universe! You are not the only player we need to sort! Make it easy or get in my PoE! Plain and simple!
In post 351, Guillotina wrote: In post 347, Marky Mark wrote:
Confused why you would pick out Flea specifically as being null (as opposed to the other 9 players implicitly null by not being in your list)?
At the time i had no impressions about others. Only those names.
Flea gave me mixed feelings then, so null.
I still find it odd I was mentioned and looking at it, it looks like a setup for later to me.
Sorry but this is scum paranoia! Why you think you are being setup?
Look I'll put it this way. If I were scum and you were town, I'D LET YOU BE! You are doing all the work for wolves! Wolves don't go after fluffy, conflictive, scummy players! Not on D1, wolves use them to wreck havoc in the thread, they pocket players like you, strive to take them to final five and then turn everything you did against you for a decisive win!
If you are town, you are not in danger of being setup to get yeeted now. I just don't think you are town.
In post 354, Guillotina wrote: In post 348, Marky Mark wrote:
+1
I've not quoted the follow up posts but its great to have guillotine on the same wavelength (
unless its a pocket
ofc
)
Cheeky naked vote on consensus SR. Have some scumpoints.
Yeah, nah. Try harder please. Both dropped a no-context vote
prior
to going V/LA, when the game was getting well beyond RVS. This is a behaviour that is scummy, so I called it out. Would it have been better to ignore it?
Btw lol, I'm loving JV and Guillotine taking Noraa to task on their push on me, before I've replied. Welcome to the
Marky Mark entourage guy
s :3
First bold, if it is a pocket, it’s a town pocket so do not worry. Unless you are wolf, then you should worry as town do pocket wolves too.
Second bold, i know what you are implying here and I love it because that thought process could only come from town.
IIoA-ish. Also I'm glad you know what you meant with the second bold, because I don't.
I think what Mark implied there is that maybe JV and me were buddying up to pocket him, which if both of us were wolf, it would look that way! That thought process was townie to me then.
In post 358, Guillotina wrote:Horsewoman raised several red flags before i said “definitely scum”.
Do you suggest i pace myself down though?
I'm not seeing them though, and not as being called out from you... You've been on HW since the start of the day with saying she's scummy.
I produce content and reads to allow you to see it! It's all there! use the ISO and the... other menu you told me that I forgot already and help yourself!
In post 369, Guillotina wrote: In post 365, Noraa wrote: In post 362, Guillotina wrote:@mark I understand. Still believe HW is scum and until she towns up, she is not getting out of my list.
PFFT. You keep repeating that yet ur vote's on me. LOL.
You got a point. I did say my vote would go to HW if you answered my questions about Mark's shading posts.
I'm a man of my word.
VOTE: Horsewoman
You are still in my scum list though.
I freaking love Nora, she is my kinda chaos - and this to me is one of the definitions of OMGUS, called out for something and bites back.
Town can OMGUS, wolves call out OMGUS.
In post 375, Guillotina wrote:I said that i would be judging the game based on this game's actions. So any kind of meta is irrelevant to me including people's self meta.
This is worth noting because....
In post 380, Guillotina wrote: In post 363, AGamblingPig wrote:Flea - I wish you'd stop using so many spoiler tags. It makes it easy to miss the content of your posts, which are pretty good.
Early posting looks like honest scum hunting.
Town for now.
Toog - I'm fine with any votes for horse.
But the early serious vote smells of bussing.
Then again maybe I'm just paranoid.
First bold, what early posts from Flea looked like scum hunting? Maybe you are seeing something I'm not.
Second bold, do you really believe there is utility for scum to bus a teammate on D1, when it's really easy to try to do anything else but that? Have you played as scum before?
I think a lot of people are seeing things you're not
and there's ALWAYS utility to bus. For someone who has just thrown meta out of the window, why are you interested if someones played a game as an alignment before? That is a form of meta.
Because I was not interested in the meta of the slot in a game, but in the experience of that player as scum.
In post 389, Guillotina wrote:Well for one, i purposely change my meta in every game, that way noone can reference meta about me and have to solve me base on the game im playing. Two, I was extremely arrogant and irresponsible in SirCakez game, i FPS, but I'm not ready to do that again in a community where I'm new at, so, you get standard focused Guillo in this one.
"I AM UNREEEEEEAAAAAADABLEEEE!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH*coughcoughsplutter*
Sadly as someone who uses a persona to play this game and avoid meta, patterns will always emerge no matter how you try and play. Oh, and self-meta is here
Sorry nornor, that means your soul reads on me aren't on me but on the person and will probably always be wrong <3
Why do I get the feeling I'm playing with a damn Jester? Fuck your mocking tone!!
Patterns can emerge but I play in way that people can sort me through my actions when I'm town, or where I can mislead them through my actions when I scum. It's my playstyle, hate the play not the player.
In post 392, Guillotina wrote: In post 384, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 313, Noraa wrote:Btw, my vote is gonna go here for a bit.
VOTE: Guillotina
You're voting away from your 99% soul-read on scum!flea again? Can you explain why you're doing that and why you're voting them when I think they're fairly townie + you give no reasonings here.
Noraa town reads Flea now.
IIoA. Not only that, it's putting words in her mouth. This looks like framing to me.
False! She did say she townread you WTF??! If she didn't JV would have followed up on that and push me for it!
In post 404, Guillotina wrote: In post 403, Noraa wrote:I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.
Help me see it. Do me a point by point of why I might be wrong about HW.
MEEEEOOOOOOWWWW!!!
So is this, honestly. Yes it's NAI and doing nothing in and of itself, however, it's still doing something. I'm not going to explain it to you though, you're a lazy butt.
Ok, it was fluff, i can produce fluff here and there, not all the time like you. Plus, it was fluff to point out the ridiculous amount of fluff you had been posting.
Just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it isn't there.
I'm not seeing them though, and not as being called out from you... You've been on HW since the start of the day with saying she's scummy.
Non-commital and sitting on a fence. This right here, is a fluff post. I'll do a comparison after this.
In post 429, Guillotina wrote: In post 421, Horsewoman wrote:In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428303#p12428303]post 402[/url], Noraa wrote: In post 400, Momrangal wrote: In post 356, Noraa wrote:I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.
She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"
I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum
I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.
Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.
Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.
I'm gonna look like an asshole, but this sounds a lot like AtE. I hope you do get better but I still suspect this slot.
Yes, yes you do. If someone says their mental health is crap you don't throw it at them as AtE to get out of something. Anyone using that as an excuse honestly deserves to be in the bin.
I myself have several conditions that affect my ability to play as much as I would like and people have simply said "No worries, catch up when you can. If you're able are you able to answer these questions for me?"
We all have probelms, I got health problems too so? How is that relevant for the game?
Yah, I can see your halo from here.
In post 430, Guillotina wrote: In post 423, Marky Mark wrote:Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)
UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.
On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?
In post 413, Guillotina wrote: In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Mafia
I just don't get this post - like
why bother
stating the obvious assumption being drawn here
when we can all see
what Momrangal was trying to convey?
Also, this did feel like shading. I don't believe you are an idiot if you are playing this game so I don't believe your question was a real one. Then you state that we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey. Who is all? Did you ask each and every one of us to come to that conclusion?
For someone doing absolutely bare minimum themselves, this is a big ask.
Reading that while replying to your big ass wall post here, makes me want to throw a metaphorical boulder on your head.
In post 439, Guillotina wrote:
Nah, I'm not voting outside my scum list, but!
We can scrutinize!
You scumread Horsewoman and I agree.
Who else do you scum read? Who do you town read?
And more importantly, why?
I also wanna point out, theres been no reads lists recently.
In post 442, Guillotina wrote: In post 440, Horsewoman wrote:In post 431 Guillotina wrote: In post 414, Noraa wrote:
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
Now this is revealing.
Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.
Dude this is my second game of MS mafia and the first is ongoing.
I'm talking about the alleged "Outside of MS games". Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
Damn I wish I could stretch this well...
In post 443, Guillotina wrote: In post 441, Horsewoman wrote:In [url=/viewtopic.php?p=12428664#p12428664]post 412[/url], Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me
Wrong, you can't say that you could have easily pretended to be totally new, when it only took two posts to catch you. Let's put it this way, you might be a seasoned player but you are a terrible liar, the problem here is, why you tried to lie to us?
this is beautiful, I think amma cry :')
In post 450, Guillotina wrote: In post 447, Horsewoman wrote: In post 412, Momrangal wrote:You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?
This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.
There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner
This is a train of thought that I have seen many times that basically goes 'only mafia would care about being lynched/treated badly'. Completely wrong! Being mislynched sucks on an emotional level and it also hurts town on a game level! Town have a huge interest in not being lynched.
See this is what I'm talking about? You want us to town read you but you take posts out of context and AtE to try to get us to not push you, which makes me want to push you more. She is talking about, why would any of us would take it easy on you because you are new? Why would we believe that you are new? Why do we care that you are new or experienced? There are games for newbies here. You could have signed to one of those but you chose to sign up for a no-newbies game, which is fine! But don't expect preferential treatment.
Being myslynched sucks, but that is what towns are destined to be, some of us will have to die, so others can get info out of our deaths and solve the game. Don't take it personally, it is part of the game, don't act like it is not.
Now I'm gonna let go of your "noob" BS and work with you, help me townread you.
I will lose my mind, make it real this tiiiiime, to leave it all behind. I won't cry wolf.
Show me a sign, planets will align,
I'm gunna blow my mind. I won't, cry wolf.
In post 452, Guillotina wrote: In post 449, Horsewoman wrote: In post 262, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?
She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.
Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.
Stop this! We are past that unless you want me to keep tunneling you. I asked you for reads on people, can you please provide them?
Would you kindly, obey? obey. OBEY. OBEY.
I guess you'd rather me keep tunneling her then? Do you find issue with me willing to work things out with Horsewoman?
In post 456, Guillotina wrote:
Saying "go easy on me" is expecting preferential treatment! Think about that hard.
If you stop engaging with my posts I will never townread you, i think it is in your best interest to convince me that you are town. I'm willing to move past your failed noob gimmick attempt and start over! There are many ways to find out if you are scum or not.
Look, town can lie too, there are many players here that yeet all liars no matter the reasons, I disagree. Town can lie for good reasons, for dumb reasons or just because the slot is a compulsive liar that randed town (not saying that any of these are you), I wanted to see why you tried to lie about that and see if such lie can come from a town slot.
I'm not convinced you are town. tbf.
I'm looking forward to your engagement! Bring me a pelt.
This is going beyond attacking the slot at this point.
Also, MEOW!
Disagree.
Shading is the act of throwing shade and suspicion on a slot and
mocking some of the content
.
Gaslighting is an abuse tactic.
Devaluing evidence and reads is standard play.
Trivialising people also shouldn't be done as it can drive people down and out. Trivialise the reads and motivations, not the people.
Devaluating evidence and reads is standard scum play! Yes! Mocking of the content? See my comment about you mocking me!
In post 460, Guillotina wrote:
I think Toogeloo is scummy, I just don't know if it's scummy town or just scum. I'm looking closely there but you are right, it's hard to look when the slot is not creating content.
Marky Mark, i generally town lean, but his tone sometimes is... I don't know how to explain it other than, he is either town, or a townie scum. You know like there are scummy towns? Well there are also townie scums. My gut and my brain is fighting over on whether Mark is town or a townie scum.
Noraa, I tend to agree on that one, problem is that everything else from her is bad. Specially her sudden townread on Marky after accusing him of shading and scum reading him for it.
Flea, yah fae have this gimmicky careless approach right? Wonder if that is genuine or it is staged.
Both. Literally both. This ISO is dropping the persona aspect of me and yeah I'm still acting like an idiot
Huh! This been a persona all this time?
In post 485, Guillotina wrote:
VOTE: Flea The Magician
You try contributing with quality content instead of fluff and smartass comments. How about that?
But you boosted your Toogs read based on a smartass comment
I just want to be loved damnnit!
The thing is, DGBs post says a lot. that you're unable to put the work in and see says a lot.
Toogs ended up at the bottom of my list with you, Toogs is not exactly the slot you wanna mimic. Buy hey, you do you!
In post 486, Guillotina wrote: In post 476, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 442, Guillotina wrote:Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
Can you back this up with quotes.
No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.
HOW DAAAAARE YOU ASK ME, MR MITTENS, TO DO SOME WORK!
I produce the back up soon after, your point?
Nope, I'm town! That is not up for debate
In post 497, Guillotina wrote: In post 482, Marky Mark wrote:Like ultimately, when I push people I want them to respond and argue with me so that I can refine my read based on their responses
This is good to know because im the same. After all, people can fake an alignment but behavioral traits come out at a subconscious level, those cant be faked.
Good argument in favour of Meta really
I don't solve based on Meta but others do, so?
In post 498, Guillotina wrote: In post 414, Noraa wrote:
well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.
"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"
Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......
@JacksonVirgo
Hey look the kitty brought us a dead spider
In post 499, Guillotina wrote: In post 489, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 486, Guillotina wrote: In post 476, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 442, Guillotina wrote:Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?
Can you back this up with quotes.
No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.
I'm not going to allow you to just shade someone for something you can't even be bothered to prove. Own your words
I dont like that word, i never intent to shade when im town. I scum hunt
No! Town claim, it means that if I end up shading someone, it is not intentional. TOWN CLAIM! BOOOOOM!
