I, unlike Bell, was not mason-hunting. It took a lot for me to think it was so much asIn post 4392, MURDERCAT wrote:I don't believe that you are having this thought process but not having it lead to it's natural conclusion in regards to the overall game state.In post 4337, mastina wrote:I really don't see why MURDERCAT is getting townread. There is precisely one reason I can think of for MURDERCAT to be town, and unless that one reason is the reason others are townreading him, I legit don't get why people think he is town.
possible
for you to be a mason. You not being included by Pooky D1 in spite of multiple slots' insisting on it wasn't enough, but you being the only slot advocating for Polar Bear Express being scum and PBE ending up in Pooky's vig pool when you didn't despite the insistence of others that you'd be a good candidate, is what made me think it was possible--but I wasn't sure of it. It was something that I saw as possible, but not probable.And it was something that, to my knowledge, was a possibility I, and only I, thought of at the time. I didn't think anyone else was townreading you by thinking you were a mason, so I was confused as to why people were townreading you. If they weren't townreading you on the possibility (possibility, not guarantee) of you being a mason, then what
were
they townreading you for?I remained unconvinced you were a mason, and I thought that if you weren't a mason, if the convenient chain of coincidences was just coincidences, that there was a significant chance you were scum. I wasn't seeing reasons for you to be town and had good reasons to suspect you, with the one and only reason to townread you, at the time, being that the string of coincidences was possibly answered by you being a mason. A reason unique to me, as far as I knew, and thus something that I was wondering about; I wanted to know why people were townreading you because as far as I could tell, they weren't treating you like a mason so they had to have seen something in you that looked town.
Later into the day, in the final phases of the day, I saw reasons for you to be town regardless. As in, it didn't matter if you were a mason or if you weren't a mason, I was townreading you regardless and no longer cared. I, unfortunately, didn't get a chance to flesh this out and express it properly and thoroughly since Bell self-hammered before I had the chance to. (It seems to be a recurring theme of the days that the day ends while I am in the middle of a catchup and trying to gather my thoughts and explain them in a gathered coherent fashion.) You can see the evidence of this viewpoint I feel clearly enough as I did get to express the townread on you for you having the same organic thought process I did in regards to Bell-DEB being scum-scum, but I admit that to some extent there is an element of needing to take my word for it.
Having more information does not guarantee accuracy in scumreads. It means that the poe is better by knowing more town than the rest of the town, but having a smaller poe doesn't innately guarantee that the poe is actually on-point.In post 4392, MURDERCAT wrote:Pooky has more info than us so why are you not following his lead?
I am not going to blindly follow an IC that I feel is on the wrong path, especially since that's the strategy that I felt that FL was employing, of letting the scum just blindly sheep the IC's stances without a need to strongly disagree with them (thus part of the reason I townread Ircher and to a lesser extent, Spiffeh). I am also not going to outright refuse to follow the IC though, either, because I acknowledge the IC's extra information
does
give them the edge.The best strategy is to take a middle ground: be willing to follow the IC, but offer constructive criticism, give feedback, try to explain where I think the IC is wrong, and offer alternatives from my own reads/reasons. The IC doesn't need to take any of my advice especially if he knows it to be wrong, but I feel that providing that advice/feedback is the correct play.
Oh I'm remarkably unsubtle, but that's my whole brand; I relish in cheeky fuckery where I refuge in audacity with a blatant lack of subtlety...and then rely on people not believing me/not paying attention to me.In post 4392, MURDERCAT wrote:You are not being subtle
I've literally claimed mason in like my last five mason-role games only to be utterly disbelieved each time with it written off as a joke because surely the utter lack of subtlety means it's faked, right?
Except, no, it's not, it's exactly what it seems like.
I was never going to outright call you a mason (especially since I wasn't sure), but I didn't feel like hiding my thought of the possibility was productive, so. It was what it was.
