PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Solstice]

@Players who think Ydrasse is scum for fluffing

- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85282 here's your evidence that helps prove Ydra is town for fluffing. Hell tbh, in her scum games I find that she fluffs way less.

[Ydrasse did a lot of fluff in Forest Fire (scum game) but yeah not nearly as much as in this game true]

Does anyone want to be the person that hammers?

Ideally, just to appease supersaint paranoia, it should be a volunteer from the players that're loosely in the suspect pool, e.g. Spiffeh, Toogeloo (good luck on that one though), maybe someone who we think is town but is possible to be scum which others have fingered (e.g. Solstice, Ydrasse).

But coordinating that might be more trouble than it's worth especially if the designated volunteer doesn't want to actually follow through.

[Toog already volunteered to be the hammer btw]

~Morning

[Polar Bear Express]

[Sigh didn't think of that, should have just thought of it it like an informed townie, claimed it immediately, and leashed every hammer to the scummiest player, probably. Didn't think about it enough clearly]

Also Spiffeh, I feel like I'm the only player that thinks this is a red flag.

Can you elaborate on this? Because why you think they’re lying about their claim?

[Polar Bear Express]

[I thought it was really jokey. If Ydrasses' scumteam killed Hectic, I think she'd be practically obligated to do that bit. It's not like it was her choice to kill him]

you mean she wasn't really shaking ?!

I bet money that it I were to say that you wouldn’t believe me right?

I probably shouldn’t have posted this but I’m really kind of rolling my eyes that Pooky trs Ydrase for this but I think if I posted something similar, I’m not sure he would, so I’m kind’ve salty about that.

[Double the Trouble]

Gloria malding

[mastina]

[If you wanted to sacrifice him this is probably how you'd do it.
~Morning

I mean.
DEB-scum sacrificing himself to take out someone who was probably going down today or tomorrow anyway?
Not impossible, although obviously by necessity what happened if Dunn flips town here.

More likely is either DEB town with a genuine guilty or DEB scum faking a guilty on a scumbuddy. Either way, Dunnstral's a pretty sure bet at being scum.

[Polar Bear Express]

Gloria is ur solve still {DEB, Dunn, Toogeloo}

I think DEB seems on the level so probably Dunn. Only DEB if the results aren’t legit. Why would I want to kill DEB if Dunn flips scum? Toog yes but probably vote Dunn since DEB’s case looked pretty legit. I’m no longer townreading Ydrasse and she expects to be townread because of Hectic but she’s ignoring his read on me and being really sketchy about the answers. Oh and @Pooky, if you dare if me shit for doubting Ydrasse’s reaction than eventhough I adore you, it still would then make you a goddamned hypocrite.

[Polar Bear Express]

noraa’s wim as scum was disgustingly powerful and she almost swept it away, was hard townread by everyone for a long time, etc

it was only at the end that she kinda crumbled under pressure

Yeah but you were townreading us before so what changed? Your switch on us seems suspiciously convenient.

[Ydrasse]

noraa’s wim as scum was disgustingly powerful and she almost swept it away, was hard townread by everyone for a long time, etc

it was only at the end that she kinda crumbled under pressure

Yeah but you were townreading us before so what changed? Your switch on us seems suspiciously convenient.

[Polar Bear Express]

What happened with her in Death Curse?

1500 posts from scum Noraa and extremely high WIM.

I’ve got to ask why so many people in this game don’t seem to have any opinion on my posts? Maybe DT but I almost feel like I’m not even in the game at times because so many people keep referring to our slot as “Noraa”.

[Solstice]

[If you wanted to sacrifice him this is probably how you'd do it.
~Morning

I mean.
DEB-scum sacrificing himself to take out someone who was probably going down today or tomorrow anyway?
Not impossible, although obviously by necessity what happened if Dunn flips town here.

More likely is either DEB town with a genuine guilty or DEB scum faking a guilty on a scumbuddy. Either way, Dunnstral's a pretty sure bet at being scum.

[I think all of Dunn/Toog/Spiffeh/mayyyybe Polar could be considered players who were potentially going down anyway, so its a big pool. You're right that Dunn isn't really a priority, but had Dr Easy picked mastina/Ircher it'd have been a lot more likely we just don't believe him. And if Dr Easy was going to have to be killed for his claim at some point, then it makes sense to claim a guilty and try to get the vig]

[Of course, maybe DEB gets away with staying alive for a while, so maybe scum doesn't make that play. so i prefer the safe play of removing Dunn first anyway]

[If Dr Easy is scum guiltying his teammate, isn't that just completely game-losing?]

~Morning

[Toogeloo]

Also guys if mafia does have a supersaint, we should be playing around a hated supersaint.
just letting ywall know that, at least I am going to play around that.

Then I'll vote at L-2, Unvote, and then hammer all elims going forward.

[mastina]

DEB has so low towncred atm that i almost prefer it if we just ignore their 1v1 with Dunn in favour of eliminating an higher threat such as Spiffeh. And then at night we can have the vig shoot either of DEB/Dunn and if whoever dies flips town we know for sure that the other one is scum.
- Norwee

I mean.
A minimum of one scum with a chance of two sounds like it's a juicy deal--and if DEB is town and Dunn is scum, as long as Dunn survives DEB cannot get another guilty result.

But if you insist on a slightly less-optimal play in eliminating a player who's scum outside of the guaranteed-one-scum-minimum: that'd be Toogeloo, who I am actually currently voting.

[Double the Trouble]

Also guys if mafia does have a supersaint, we should be playing around a hated supersaint.
just letting ywall know that, at least I am going to play around that.

Then I'll vote at L-2, Unvote, and then hammer all elims going forward.

Can we get some salutes in the chat for our boi toogeloo
o7

[Dunnstral]

He's expecting the rest to elim Spiffeh while I'm dead

[Polar Bear Express]

Because myself and Polar Bears seem to be some of your most desired targets and I'm town and Polar Bears is the most obvtown player in the game

Toogeloo, Ydrasse, maybe Dunn?

Are where I'd look next for scum

vt!

town: mastina (with an asterisk to think about if she's still around endgame and we're struggling to find mafia), solstice, ircher, deb barring any role shenanigans

scum: polar bear express,

toogeloo, spiffeh, maybe dunnstral

[I find it funny these two's lists are inverses of each other, even up to both having Dunn as a "maybe". It's probably not important but i still thought it interesting]

[Anyway here's what i was curious about]

Spoiler: Ydrasse on Polarbear

oh no... oh no no no polar bear express no.... what are you doing sweetie......

i'm just going to pretend i don't see these posts... *smiles sweetly*

vt!

town: mastina (with an asterisk to think about if she's still around endgame and we're struggling to find mafia), solstice, ircher, deb barring any role shenanigans

scum: polar bear express, toogeloo, spiffeh, maybe dunnstral

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@Ydrasse

, what exactly did you find scummy about Polarbears?]

~Morning

This is actually a really good observation I like this a lot

Yes she does a complete 180 on us, refuses to explain why, do I think If Ydrasse had a real reason to suddenly switch her read on us, she’d have already given it.

[Ydrasse]

no i wouldn’t have

[Spiffeh]

Ydrasse please stop making me doubt my solve by seeming town

[Polar Bear Express]

So while I st Toog for the Creature comment jumping off of Bell twice, his progression on our slot actually is a lot better than Ydrasse’s so probably wrong on one of them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

noraa’s wim as scum was disgustingly powerful and she almost swept it away, was hard townread by everyone for a long time, etc

it was only at the end that she kinda crumbled under pressure

Yeah but you were townreading us before so what changed? Your switch on us seems suspiciously convenient.

isn't this what you posted that time you were scum?

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse please stop making me doubt my solve by seeming town

[Ydrasse]

noraa’s wim as scum was disgustingly powerful and she almost swept it away, was hard townread by everyone for a long time, etc

it was only at the end that she kinda crumbled under pressure

Yeah but you were townreading us before so what changed? Your switch on us seems suspiciously convenient.

isn't this what you posted that time you were scum?

hehe

[Spiffeh]

omg cat pics

my greatest weakness

[Polar Bear Express]

noraa’s wim as scum was disgustingly powerful and she almost swept it away, was hard townread by everyone for a long time, etc

it was only at the end that she kinda crumbled under pressure

Yeah but you were townreading us before so what changed? Your switch on us seems suspiciously convenient.

isn't this what you posted that time you were scum?

Ydrasse’s read switch on us makes no sense and the longer she continues to stall with this, the more I doubt my initial read on her.

[Double the Trouble]

Because myself and Polar Bears seem to be some of your most desired targets and I'm town and Polar Bears is the most obvtown player in the game

Toogeloo, Ydrasse, maybe Dunn?

Are where I'd look next for scum

vt!

town: mastina (with an asterisk to think about if she's still around endgame and we're struggling to find mafia), solstice, ircher, deb barring any role shenanigans

scum: polar bear express,

toogeloo, spiffeh, maybe dunnstral

[I find it funny these two's lists are inverses of each other, even up to both having Dunn as a "maybe". It's probably not important but i still thought it interesting]

[Anyway here's what i was curious about]

Spoiler: Ydrasse on Polarbear

oh no... oh no no no polar bear express no.... what are you doing sweetie......

i'm just going to pretend i don't see these posts... *smiles sweetly*

vt!

town: mastina (with an asterisk to think about if she's still around endgame and we're struggling to find mafia), solstice, ircher, deb barring any role shenanigans

scum: polar bear express, toogeloo, spiffeh, maybe dunnstral

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@Ydrasse

, what exactly did you find scummy about Polarbears?]

~Morning

This is actually a really good observation I like this a lot

Yes she does a complete 180 on us, refuses to explain why, do I think If Ydrasse had a real reason to suddenly switch her read on us, she’d have already given it.

What do you expect from her if she's town?
Like her reads are like
{DT, Creature, Murder}
{Solstice, Ircher, DEB}
{mastina}
{Toogeloo, Spiffeh, Polar Bears}
{Dunn}

I feel like if {Spiffeh Dunn Polar Bears Toogeloo} had 3 scum and the 1 town was flipped she would naturally just conclude that you're scum naturally like what do you want this player to do lol

[Ydrasse]

omg cat pics

my greatest weakness

tr me spiffeh