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[Firebringer]

Hot take: i think there's more scum over there than over here
(Or at the very least the scum:town ratio is loads higher over there)

Probably wrong.

[Deacon Blues]

I mean the fact that I was in the purple room is out now, anyways...

We might as well take advantage of that.

Other thread might need to have peta-midway intervention with Bell.

Every time I look over there I see something from Bell that would wake me up out of a sound sleep and send me to a keyboard if I were in that thread.

[Firebringer]

I could easily see 4 scum in this thread

[skitter30]

I dont think i can

[Deacon Blues]

It can also be for free credit and a place to hunker down.

I see opportunism in the "hey here's a free reason to vote someone who will never die with a decent defense as to why I am doing it let me settle here and not worry about it too much".

that's not a bad point considering that they made 4164 not long after

-b

[Firebringer]

I dont think i can

I think u lost ur imagination somewhere along the way then

[Deacon Blues]

meh that was in response to SS

i dunno i think pooky is the only read here i'm even reasonably confident in

-b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to turnstile Pooky and yeet Gamma.

Is that a reasonable action? assumign the other thread will yeet pooky

[Deacon Blues]

Deacon Blues (1) - superbowl9, Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop

Deacon has a meltdown over one vote.

This is a straight up misrep. I was pissed initially because I read LLD's dayvig post as targeting us. When I realized she was targeting Dandelion, THAT's when I lost it. Had nothing to do with a vote.

U were just talking about when u flip like 3 posts ago.

I said when I

eventually

flip.

The gist is "At the point when you know my alignment, look back at how that incident played out."

[Deacon Blues]

I want to turnstile Pooky and yeet Gamma.

Is that a reasonable action? assumign the other thread will yeet pooky

i'm ok w/ it, especially if civilized!thread can't figure out who to go for

I also subscribe to the idea that trying to rid one thread entirely of scum is akin to trying to win a mini w/ only partial flip information and would prefer we do things that have a higher floor in value (I'm in the minority of purple room occupants w/ that opinion; Nacho in particular wanted to try to rid forward of scum, i just think that's a mechanic that has a crappy feedback mechanism to how close you are

-b

[Dandelion Wine]

It's unfortunate that you think that abt my role, but that is indeed what it is, and there's not much i can really do or say abt balance concerns.

I know that and I don't know how to make any progression on this so I'm kinda just filing it off to the side

-b

it's day 2, i think this is a good policy. we don't need to focus on mod mindgames right now.
-ceph

[Deacon Blues]

it's also difficult to assign value to "how much does requiring to be turnstyled" detract from a particular PR's value and is something I'm probably not sufficiently taking into account

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@LLD

{skitter, pooky, gamma, midway bear}

w/o getting into other thread

Let's start w/ these:

I think pooky is scum for reasons that i went into earlier today; I still pretty much think that.

I went into today thinking skitter was scum - I don't like just her role even existing and I am townreading people that might be foils to that role, but honestly every time I interact w/ her she ends up changing my mind (e.g initially I thought 4209 seemed overly simplified and flat but I think she explained the thought process pretty well; I think w/o being a full blown watcher I'd probably be townreading skitter pretty hard

ffery thinks gamma is scum, and I did early on but I'm kinda lost, I think some posts like 4178 seem like pretty proper town paranoia to me

what about peta? he's seemed pretty good overall and I was kind of taken by surprise by HP's indictment of them in the other thread.

midway has seemed town to me mostly until his jump on FL, but I think the way he is engaging you on us seems town to me

Let's start here and I realize these are kinda some broad strokes; I'm trying to reassess/reread some stuff in the meantime

-b

My thoughts:

The only reason to push skitter is not liking her role, wheras pooky is based on play, correct?

We don't have all the info on the setup right now, so in my opinion we should be going after Pooky. As a side note, if Skitter is by chance not scum then she is a strong town power role. I'm not saying don't lim her just for that, but when there's multiple scumspects anyway there's a point to be had there. Also, the by play read is stronger than the mechanical/role read

[Deacon Blues]

also

I want to turnstile Pooky and yeet Gamma.

Is that a reasonable action? assumign the other thread will yeet pooky

i'm ok w/ it, especially if civilized!thread can't figure out who to go for

I also subscribe to the idea that trying to rid one thread entirely of scum is akin to trying to win a mini w/ only partial flip information and would prefer we do things that have a higher floor in value (I'm in the minority of purple room occupants w/ that opinion; Nacho in particular wanted to try to rid forward of scum, i just think that's a mechanic that has a crappy feedback mechanism to how close you are

-b

I sort of agree with just going for who we think is scum, but still think we should try to go for the sweep. The catch here is I think it's ok to elim from our group right now, there's certainly scum over here.

That would mean you guys elim pooky, we elim someone and send someone else over

The downside is that we can't elim two people from your thread, I guess. Personally, I think it's scummy or at least escapist from both sides to be saying that most of the scum is in the other thread

Dunnstral obviously doesn't speak for the entire thread. we should watch for how these posts are received by our counterparts.

[borkjerfkin]

I sort of agree with just going for who we think is scum, but still think we should try to go for the sweep. The catch here is I think it's ok to elim from our group right now, there's certainly scum over here.

That would mean you guys elim pooky, we elim someone and send someone else over

The downside is that we can't elim two people from your thread, I guess. Personally, I think it's scummy or at least escapist from both sides to be saying that most of the scum is in the other thread

who are you scum reading atm? just did a quick ISO and I don't see an obvious answer to that

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I sort of agree with just going for who we think is scum, but still think we should try to go for the sweep. The catch here is I think it's ok to elim from our group right now, there's certainly scum over here.

That would mean you guys elim pooky, we elim someone and send someone else over

The downside is that we can't elim two people from your thread, I guess. Personally, I think it's scummy or at least escapist from both sides to be saying that most of the scum is in the other thread

who are you scum reading atm? just did a quick ISO and I don't see an obvious answer to that

-b

[superbowl9]

Why are we not turnstyling anyone again?

Because it introduces the possibiity of sending scum to the timestream we've been trying to purge scum from.

I highly doubt we achieve this goal

Even so, it's a goal we can try for. We have 2 more chances to clear that timestream today.

The issue is if we try this scum can manipulate it to create a wildly advantageous gamestate

[superbowl9]

Okay I think we have some business to take care of:

• Who are we turnstyling today?
  - I know some advocate not sending anyone over, but can't the other thread not turnstyle until we do? If that's the case we need to figure out who is being sent.
  
  
• Skittle slot
  - It seems like we have no plan for this. We have a CC and an opposite side power role.
  Why are we leaving this around until late game?
  If we're not elimming, we should at least send the slot over so we can potentially get something useful out of this. We need to make a decision now: turnstyle or elim.
  
  
• Purple Room
  - I'm fine with being the purple room today, but if I'm also getting turnstyled we may need to reconsider this plan. I think this also makes the turnstyle skittle plan more appealing, since it makes our purple room choice simple.

[superbowl9]

Now that that's out there, I have a tinfoil conspiracy here: purple room has 2 scum and are trying to bring in townies (me, imperium) to control the gamestate by subduing them in hood

[midwaybear]

I wonder if the movie has a purple room equivalent that might be helpful. Your theory would be pretty cool though.

[superbowl9]

MWB are you just like averse to helpful content?

[Deacon Blues]

Purple Room - I'm fine with being the purple room today, but if I'm also getting turnstyled we may need to reconsider this plan. I think this also makes the turnstyle skittle plan more appealing, since it makes our purple room choice simple.

you don't need to get turnstiled today if you're going to purple room

-b

[Deacon Blues]

we should at least send the slot over so we can potentially get something useful out of this. We need to make a decision now: turnstyle or elim.

i agree with this actually; i mostly just want to turnstyle PR claims at this point (yes i know skitter, i'm late to that party) and I'm kinda willing to just throw everything else out the window to get at that at this point; ffery probably doesn't agree but that's how i personally feel

-b

[Deacon Blues]

This is an awkward question for me to answer right now

I mean of course I don't mind you sharing townreads but this seems a pretty odd thing to say. Awkward because you don't know or awkward because of something else?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

@bork pls don’t send skitter tia

Yeah I think this is a bad idea. If we have to send a PR claim today, I'd rather it were superbowl, even though I think sending him to the purple room will work out better for both timestreams.

not-b