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[Deacon Blues]

I'm looking at another players role soft, and I won't be able to push them without exposing the role soft.

At what point do you think you'll feel is appropriate to talk about it?
I mostly just wanted to know who from your side you wanted to be pushing since you had a lot to say about how we should deal w/ a top scumread but not who it was

But also sure, who's town to you?

-b

[superbowl9]

Even if skittle dies over there I think that's fine no? That basically is the same as giving the other side a no elim AND effectively is a no turnstyle for us right? It seems like a good idea no matter what happens

[superbowl9]

UNVOTE: turnstyle - skitter30
VOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9
UNVOTE: purple room - superbowl9

^I like this plan, tomorrow we can send me or firebringer

[Deacon Blues]

Even if skittle dies over there I think that's fine no? That basically is the same as giving the other side a no elim AND effectively is a no turnstyle for us right? It seems like a good idea no matter what happens

We're not sending >50% scum over there.

Stop.

[Deacon Blues]

Also, why are you voting to send yourself over here? That's not what you just said.

He's not. Unvote in reverse timestream = Vote in forwards timestream.

[superbowl9]

Even if skittle dies over there I think that's fine no? That basically is the same as giving the other side a no elim AND effectively is a no turnstyle for us right? It seems like a good idea no matter what happens

We're not sending >50% scum over there.

Stop.

So are we limming it? Because if so sending it over there for them to lim fits your plan too does it not? We essentially get two lims here and 0 there, and we give them a turnstyle without truly having to send someone over.

There's no reason to not elim or turnstyle this today, if not both

[superbowl9]

If we're going to lim skittle at some point keeping her around in this timestream is just bad regardless of her alignment

[superbowl9]

That just makes the most sense to me, the other option i see rn is us limming skittle here, sending me over, and I join purple room from that side but it seems like you are opposed to that as well

[petapan]

I read everything and have little comment, just want to kill pooky and pick up the pieces tomorrow, see who dies and figure out from there. i don't have strong reads otherwise and don't feel like thinking very hard.

UNVOTE: purple room - superbowl9

5/10

[superbowl9]

I'm not sold on pooky but I could do it as a compromise

[Deacon Blues]

That just makes the most sense to me, the other option i see rn is us limming skittle here, sending me over, and I join purple room from that side but it seems like you are opposed to that as well

It makes sense for you and spiffeh to go to the purple room tonight, I promise.

[Deacon Blues]

@superbowl

Deacon, can you direct Superbowl's attention here?

look at Dunnstral's posts on page 130 of the forward thread

[petapan]

I don't really need an intervention on reads from the other side of the thread. I'm just weirded out Peta hasn't town binned me yet, given their experience w/ my play. I'm not sure how I feel about them not wanting to think after imploring us all to think critically at the start of this day phase and reeval. Luckily, hypocrisy is not a scum tell or we'd all be scum.

i'm not the one having the most serious doubts. i've just given up making strong read pronouncements especially on your thread where i won't know what i'm talking about. i will insist though that scum were angling to get shelly killed via bad setup spec. someone raised a good point about that a50 post.

6/10

[superbowl9]

@superbowl

Deacon, can you direct Superbowl's attention here?

look at Dunnstral's posts on page 130 of the forward thread

Not sure what I should be looking at the logic still doesn't make much sense to me - they don't seem like they are as willing to lim scum over there, why are we delaying skittle's inevitable demise? It just seems like poor decisionmaking to not turnstyle anyone from either side today - you have the same chance of getting 2 scum by sending skittle over, limming, and sending scum over here for us to lim as you do by each side limming on their own. The only reason to delay this is to keep skittle alive with a vanilla role in this timestream which seems very bad to me - if you don't have enough evidence to say that skittle should 100% be limmed, then send her over anyways and maybe get a few night action uses.

[superbowl9]

Can you explain how your side not sending someone over for one day leads to that? Your fear-mongering feels baseless and even scummy

@ this you keep saying I'm fear mongering but that's kind of the point of the game of mafia, consider all possibilities. I'd much rather have paranoid townies than easily manipulable ones. Scum could easily stack 5 on 1 side and then wait until D3 to send over 1 more. The chances of #1 scum choosing 4-2 alignment #2 us predicting the two scum and #3 scum being dumb enough to be sent over and IC everyone is actually 0%. We are not bigbraining scum into ICing half the game here, we are wasting our turnstyles

[superbowl9]

^This should be so obvious

[superbowl9]

And ftr I don't think elimming 2 from our side is necessarily a good idea, but iEVEN IN THAT INSTANCE TURNSTYLING SKITTLE IS GREAT. We can both elim normally, you can elim + turnstyle to try your dumb get all scum out of 1 thread before D2 strat, and town skittle gets night actions instead of wasting away over here doing nothing.

The ONLY reason to not turnstyle skittle is if you're afraid of her becoming a scum pr on the other side or running train on your thread, which you can easily fix by LIMMING HER IF YOU THINK SHE IS SCUM!

And once again you discount the idea that OUR SIDE could be the ones closer to the stupid D2 no scum strat, and by sending skittle over we could possibly acheive this. If you think this side has more scum, then WHY ARE WE LETTING YOU ELIM FROM A SMALLER POE? YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TURNSTYLE SO YOU HAVE 0 CHANCE OF ICing THE WHOLE SIDE ANYWAYS.

Even if we take your 0% chance likely trash strategy into account, your logic makes absolutely no sense!

[superbowl9]

We have to turnstyle someone before yours opens. You can't turnstyle without us going first

[superbowl9]

Like just think about this: If you were sucm would you EVER let yourself be in a position where you create a half game full of ICs? It's so ridiculously dumb to think that town shooting in the dark is going to outwit the scumteam with PTs, mech info, etc. Best case scenario we're wasting turnstyles that can create PRs worst case we're shooting ourselves in the foot.


THERE IS NO UNIVERSE WHERE THE GOAL OF THIS PLAN IS ACHIEVED

It makes a whole bunch of sense for SCUM to push this plan because they can prevent PRs from being created & manipulate numbers on both sides if they choose. Just think about this from a scum perspective for 5 seconds and you will realize how royally idiotic this plan is

[Something_Smart]

No, that isn't how it works. Cakez clarified in the other thread.

[superbowl9]

Even worse is the chance that we are making scum PRs through this process. It's literally so bad

[superbowl9]

No, that isn't how it works. Cakez clarified in the other thread.

Even with that being said, my plan doesn't change. We either lim skittle here today or send her to the other side. Sitting around and waiting on a CC only helps scum and if we think there's a good chance she's town then send her over to activate her PR. If she's not NKed lim her. Postphoning this for a fantastical shot in the dark outwit scum fantasy is foolish.

[superbowl9]

For your plan to even work you must be assuming there's already more scum in this thread. So limming twice here would give us better odds of hitting scum anyways.

[superbowl9]

I remembered why I don't talk to the other side - going back to not addressing their thread

[superbowl9]

If you want to do your dumb plan from this side, I can't stop you but you will not be having my cooperation on very much when you're executing scumstrats