PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Polar Bear Express]

read her iso dude
it's townspewing

started off as meme read because of the townread for townread thing
she's had a rocky set of recent scumgames (her last 3) and is on record mentioning she dislikes playing scum a lot
so if Flavor Leaf did any research he's not picking her most of the time

in terms of content
it's the way she's interacting with pooky and pichu which makes me thing she's town
she's feeling no remorse or guilt in buddying us or promising she's town to us
there's a genuineness and SOULvibe to it which would be hard to fake as scum
also she fluffs less and it feels more stilted when she's scum

im sorry did you guys get lost on your way to the world championship of shitposting over at EpicMafia or something.

Didn’t you just finish telling me that you trusted Hectic’s reads?

Sorry, ignore this post.

[Double the Trouble]

read her iso dude
it's townspewing

started off as meme read because of the townread for townread thing
she's had a rocky set of recent scumgames (her last 3) and is on record mentioning she dislikes playing scum a lot
so if Flavor Leaf did any research he's not picking her most of the time

in terms of content
it's the way she's interacting with pooky and pichu which makes me thing she's town
she's feeling no remorse or guilt in buddying us or promising she's town to us
there's a genuineness and SOULvibe to it which would be hard to fake as scum
also she fluffs less and it feels more stilted when she's scum

im sorry did you guys get lost on your way to the world championship of shitposting over at EpicMafia or something.

Didn’t you just finish telling me that you trusted Hectic’s reads?

Sorry, ignore this post.

you want us to ignore it because it was meant for the scum pt

u lose i win baibai games over KEKW

[mastina]

VOTE: Dunnstral F-4

(As I said: when the masons ask me to I'll vote there as part of coordinated hammer plannings, but until then, I am fine just chilling on Toogeloo as a statement that, yes, I think Toog is lockscum here. Butyeah, Dunn is the vote today and is who we should be eliminating. It's not really a question of if to eliminate him, it's when to do so and who to hammer.)

[Polar Bear Express]

I think vig pool should be
{DEB, Polar Bears, Spiffeh, Toogeloo}

If Dunn, Spiffeh, or Toogeloo all flip town look for bussers on the Bell wagon.
top suspects of bussing to me are Polar Bears, Solstice (due to the fact that Bell self hammered after they revoted which indicates to me that Bell was okay with dieing at that moment and the scumteam did everything that the wanted to do during that phase), DEB if Dunn flips town, and maaaaybe mastina.


Like ok
can I remind you people that at the start of D2 Bell was quite literally chainsawing Polar Bears?
Like what is going on there like hello?

pedit: Ya probably

So, tell me why I should even bother to try to solve the game when you’re ignoring my posts and are hellbent on miseliming us? So, no unless you smarten up, I’m not going to listen to you on anything. I can’t obviously stop you from trying to miselim us but I’m not going to continue to put my heart and soul into solving this damn game if my efforts aren’t even being acknowledged.

[Polar Bear Express]

ngl, I actually want Polar Bears to hammer Dunnstral

Yeah and I honestly don’t gaf what you want and I won’t until you start actually listening to me.

[mastina]

Gloria is ur solve still {DEB, Dunn, Toogeloo}

For me if it's not this then it's {Spiffeh, Dunn, Toogeloo}, and I actually do see Spiffeh as more town now so I'm inclined to think the former over the latter right now, honestly.

Like I've said. While there's a guarantee of 1-2 scum (1 if we're wrong on a townread, 2 if the poe is correct) in {Dunnstral, Spiffeh, DEB} and a guarantee of at least one scum in {DEB, Dunnstral}, Toogeloo is scum regardless of the others in the poe pool. There's 1-2 scum in Dunn/Debb and 1 scum in Toog and then 0-1 scum elsewhere. If the townreads are right, Spiffeh.

[Polar Bear Express]

read her iso dude
it's townspewing

started off as meme read because of the townread for townread thing
she's had a rocky set of recent scumgames (her last 3) and is on record mentioning she dislikes playing scum a lot
so if Flavor Leaf did any research he's not picking her most of the time

in terms of content
it's the way she's interacting with pooky and pichu which makes me thing she's town
she's feeling no remorse or guilt in buddying us or promising she's town to us
there's a genuineness and SOULvibe to it which would be hard to fake as scum
also she fluffs less and it feels more stilted when she's scum

im sorry did you guys get lost on your way to the world championship of shitposting over at EpicMafia or something.

Didn’t you just finish telling me that you trusted Hectic’s reads?

Sorry, ignore this post.

you want us to ignore it because it was meant for the scum pt

u lose i win baibai games over KEKW

I meant what I said, if you’re that confibiased on us and nothing I say will make any difference, why the fuck should I even bother?

[Double the Trouble]

I mean you haven't exactly posted anything compelling as to why Ydra and Toogeloo are scum and I don't think anything you post on Toog actually matters considering I always just think there's 1 scum inbetween you and toogeloo so...

[Double the Trouble]

read her iso dude
it's townspewing

started off as meme read because of the townread for townread thing
she's had a rocky set of recent scumgames (her last 3) and is on record mentioning she dislikes playing scum a lot
so if Flavor Leaf did any research he's not picking her most of the time

in terms of content
it's the way she's interacting with pooky and pichu which makes me thing she's town
she's feeling no remorse or guilt in buddying us or promising she's town to us
there's a genuineness and SOULvibe to it which would be hard to fake as scum
also she fluffs less and it feels more stilted when she's scum

im sorry did you guys get lost on your way to the world championship of shitposting over at EpicMafia or something.

Didn’t you just finish telling me that you trusted Hectic’s reads?

Sorry, ignore this post.

you want us to ignore it because it was meant for the scum pt

u lose i win baibai games over KEKW

I meant what I said, if you’re that confibiased on us and nothing I say will make any difference, why the fuck should I even bother?

I mean the above post is a joke

[Double the Trouble]

Gloria ima be honest
I really couldn't care for the AtE

[Double the Trouble]

Now
Pooky might care about that AtE so good on you
but I just don't?

Like its a game and at this point like I don't see myself coming around to you being town.
I literally just don't see the evidence that supports it aside from your start of this phase being okay and some saint-like posting but what I'm gonna need most is a flip.

Now if it gets to it, r u gonna hammer dunny or whaaaat

[Polar Bear Express]

I keep trying to help solve this game and try to figure out who’s scum but it seems no matter what I post, it makes no difference. I was in a game like that. Even when the guy who stopped my miselim got NK’d I didn’t get believed. I tried so hard and I still don’t understand what happened. I even got so pissed I even self-voted and got miselimed while I was sleeping. The worst part was that I was so upset about not getting believed that I forgot to claim my tpr and got blamed for that post game. I didn’t expect to ever be in that situation again but that’s what it seems like to me and I or Noraa will get blamed for our miselim just like in that game.

[Double the Trouble]

if u want me to townread you need to
- just post what you're thinking (which you have)
- post how you got to those results (which I'm just not satisfied with)

and my reads are mostly based on associations who is working with who and how natural/agenda based those conclusions feel

your ydra read being from what I recall mostly being that Ydra is scum because their progression on you is bad but thats not convincing enough for me because I feel like that player puts you in their scumpool regardless of what alignment they are.

[Double the Trouble]

This may be a stupid question but why does the thought of being miseliminated upset you?

[Polar Bear Express]

Gloria ima be honest
I really couldn't care for the AtE

The problem is you don’t care for apparently anything I’ve posted.

[Polar Bear Express]

Now
Pooky might care about that AtE so good on you
but I just don't?

Like its a game and at this point like I don't see myself coming around to you being town.
I literally just don't see the evidence that supports it aside from your start of this phase being okay and some saint-like posting but what I'm gonna need most is a flip.

Now if it gets to it, r u gonna hammer dunny or whaaaat

I’m not doing fuck all as long as I’m not getting fucking listened to. I don’t care if your a mason. If you’re hellbent on miseliming us, I’m not efforting anymore because it’s just going to be ignored anyway.

[Double the Trouble]

okay well
I wonder if Pooky's theory that dunn flips supersaint is correct then

[Polar Bear Express]

This may be a stupid question but why does the thought of being miseliminated upset you?

I’m okay with as long as I’m not actually trying, which I have been doing. Yes I could obviously do a lot more but that doesn’t make me scum. As for Noraa, she is textbook miselimbait. Now I am willing to keep trying but not if I keep getting this kind of response. So to answer your question, if you’ve already got your mind made up about our alignment, I won’t bother and you can miselim us but if I continue to keep trying my best and I just feel like I’m wasting my time, sure I will definitely be pissed in that case.

How motivated would you be if you were really trying to solve a game and every time you opened the thread, no matter what you do, you keep seeing this kind of response. At what point would you give up caring?

[Polar Bear Express]

okay well
I wonder if Pooky's theory that dunn flips supersaint is correct then

Link? Quote? I couldn’t find his post.

[Double the Trouble]

okay well
I wonder if Pooky's theory that dunn flips supersaint is correct then

Link? Quote? I couldn’t find his post.

thats cuz he didn't post it its mostly just something we talked about because I asked him why does dunn not claim vig in response to the guilty and that was his response.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[mastina]

What happened with her in Death Curse?

1500 posts from scum Noraa and extremely high WIM.

For the record: Noraa's posts in that game and this game don't look similar to me.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80057 this was the one time I played with scum!toog and tbh i didn't even play this game much if not at all

Oh yeah that reminds me.

Toogeloo claimed Survivor in that game at 5/8 votes to eliminate.

His iso was very bare that game. (Or I suppose you could say, fairly

bear

that game. )

His contributions there are pretty comparable to here.

[Gloria Cleary]

okay well
I wonder if Pooky's theory that dunn flips supersaint is correct then

Link? Quote? I couldn’t find his post.

thats cuz he didn't post it its mostly just something we talked about because I asked him why does dunn not claim vig in response to the guilty and that was his response.

Is that what you think as well? Did he explain his reasoning for this?

[Polar Bear Express]

okay well
I wonder if Pooky's theory that dunn flips supersaint is correct then

Link? Quote? I couldn’t find his post.

thats cuz he didn't post it its mostly just something we talked about because I asked him why does dunn not claim vig in response to the guilty and that was his response.

Is that what you think as well? Did he explain his reasoning for this?

[Double the Trouble]

This may be a stupid question but why does the thought of being miseliminated upset you?

I’m okay with as long as I’m not actually trying, which I have been doing. Yes I could obviously do a lot more but that doesn’t make me scum. As for Noraa, she is textbook miselimbait. Now I am willing to keep trying but not if I keep getting this kind of response. So to answer your question, if you’ve already got your mind made up about our alignment, I won’t bother and you can miselim us but if I continue to keep trying my best and I just feel like I’m wasting my time, sure I will definitely be pissed in that case.

How motivated would you be if you were really trying to solve a game and every time you opened the thread, no matter what you do, you keep seeing this kind of response. At what point would you give up caring?

I mean I've been in this situation many times cuz I've always been an elimbaity player, especially when I was first starting out.
I kind of just came to realize that being a miselim means scum will go after you and that that is your best way to find scum.
I've also come to realize that if someone just expects me to die, that I should just be doing as much as I can. I may think I'm town from my PoV, but that doesn't mean everyone else sees it, so for me if I'm town I'm just trying to do my part. It may feel awful and hell I've even snapped and told FL who was hard tunneling "bro the fuck you want me to do?" but even in that environment I felt like I always just did what I needed to do. Scumhunt post reads push reads talk about the game, try to make the most out of the situation.

I'm insecure too and I want my efforts to feel like they're being cared about and I want people to townread me too, but thats not gonna happen every game. Even if you die your posts might not be cared about. I know that that might not be true considering if we kill a bunch of town to only find out that by the time we're in F5 theres 2 scum alive while ur dead and a lot of the people who the masonry went out of their way to flip are people like spiffeh and toogeloo, then okay maybe you might have been right about ydra or something.

So to answer your question, my amount of motivation would stay the same.
I would still be malding and fuming and babyraging but as town, the puzzle is what pulls me into the game and the puzzle itself is engaging enough for me to solve that it doesn't matter to me if no one cares.
I think its really frustrating when you don't have the charisma to get people to help you kill the people you want dead, I've lost games because I was right but could't convince the other players, Pooky knows first hand. But that's kind of just how the game works.

If ur town, the situation may suck but just try to do what you can.
I mean just look at Toogeloo
He thought that if he tried to case noraa it would be useful because he's just trying to do what he can.
He even is okay with being the person that hammers just because he's just trying to do what he can.