Mini Normal 2185 | EFoBBBiO | Game Over!

[Luca Blight]

Lunar, you never explained why Gamma or I are scum based on the other page?

[OutWorldER]

Spoiler: Quotes

alright so obviously the game-state is still stalled.

but I think I have a grasp on things. At least, I see a few possible narratives that could be happening and I think the key to solving which one of them is true is an NPOM flip:

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is the best lim at the moment. Very informative and there's a good case here. The way he was so dismissive and discrediting of his wagon in 360, Post 372 and 373 definitely gives me vibes of coasting scum aware of the good position their in.

More-over, I think NPOM's flip will be informative as to solving a few of the weirder interactions in the game as well as giving the answer as to if the game and wagons stalling is a purposeful scum creation. The main interaction I'm referring to is the NPOM v. Frogster interaction on Page 3, where Frogster builds a case against NPOM but then pushes Lunar with (what is in my opinion and the opinion of some others that I've seen) a very stretchy and weak read. Definitely feels like scum distancing there.

Something about this post feels off to me. Does anyone else see that?

Something about this post feels off to me. Does anyone else see that?

Yeah I looked at that post and didn't like the first line very much.

This NPOM wagon is awful.

I have the same question to all of you: Elaborate? What do you not like about the first line, what is off to lunar, what strikes Luca bad about the NPOM wagon? I hate one-liners like this that just state something without follow-up.

I'll admit I've had a lot of trouble parsing this game (holidays and having my full attention devoted elsewhere) but it doesn't get better until people actually interact with me about these things.

OutworldER claiming that votes based on very flimsy reasoning are solid is just way out in left field.

Furthermore, his reasoning that elimining me gives information could be true of anyone that is actually being active and scumhunting.

My theory is that the townblock is correct on at least 4 out of 5 placements, maybe 5 out of 5, and the red team is intimidated. No coincidence that none of the votes on me are coming from outside of the townblock.

I never said that about the votes. I said there was a solid case there. I was referring to the fact that I (in my opinion) had a solid case on you. You're twisting my words. I agree that the votes on you previously was flimsy, yet the way you dismissed them none-the-less was scum-indicative when I read it. Felt like scum aware of their good positioning, which was combined with the fact that you've had interactions in the past that tipped me off (the Frogster/You interaction I mentioned in that post)

My reasoning for wanting to flip you is based off game-fic analysis. It's early but of the possible narratives that I see, you show up in the most of them and your flip connects you to the most people, compared to other flips. Saying that "you could get information by elimming anyone active and scumhunting" is reductive of my argument here.

[bugspray]

I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

this is a blatant misrep I've had plenty of things to say about her I'm even on her wagon although taking a closer look even if she's saying nonsense I don't see it coming from newb!scum in terms of the apparent effort
VOTE: npom
Also the way you quoted gamma's post about how Amélie is jealous of the townbloc and scum is trying to push it's way in seems to me a lot like scum projecting from insure the "townbloc" in order to not be suspected

[bugspray]

VOTE: Amelie

I'm sensing some jealousy from those outside of the townblock. Not a town trait. Some things have to be earned.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I legitimately TR Amelie reviewing her posting rn. I had concerns about her timing of re-sorting the thread but her follow-up seems decently motivated.

[bugspray]

. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

Another good reason to town block active players is that if one of them is night killed then that would give credence that most of them are town.

In effect it limits scums options

Huh looks like I misremembered him quoting this gamma post but

[bugspray]

My vote puts npom at 4 votes

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

[bugspray]

that meta is trash

[NoPowerOverMe]

have you read it?

[bugspray]

the burden of work for that trash meta is on you i'm not going to go read some game

[NoPowerOverMe]

You can't call something trash that you haven't read.

To put a long story short OutworldER was on a scum team with Flavor Leaf and one other dude. I drew town even night neopolitan and had a feeling about FL and OW because on day one OW quickhammered town and then FL called him obvtown because of it. There was a mass claim so I fake claimed VT to make sure I got to day 3. FL claimed town neopolitan day 3 and I countercalimed neopolitan. I correctly called out OW and FL as scum. Town still stupidly eliminated me, but the point is that I was right on my reads.

OW and FL made some not so nice comments about my play in the scum thread, so it's pretty obvious to me that OW is scum here and thinks I am an easy mislynch.

[Luca Blight]

The NPOM wagon is awful mainly because of who’s on it, Outworld. I’d be amazed if there wasn’t scum on that wagon.

I don’t think it’s justified and it feels like a deliberate counter-wagon to Bugs’.

[Amélie]

I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

I have nothing to say about any of my nulls. I have 4 scum partners then don't I?

[Amélie]

Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

This is day 1. If you are town, please stop assuming you are so incredible the entire scum team is going to stack on you day 1.
If they really want you dead, they can easily kill you at night.
Day 3, it is possible the entire scum team decides to move as a block because taking risks is what can get you a win sometimes.
My first game ever, I rolled scum and my team of 3 moved together like a block towards the end to get the win. But I have never seen scum move as a block day 1 and I doubt you have either.

You can't call something trash that you haven't read.

To put a long story short OutworldER was on a scum team with Flavor Leaf and one other dude. I drew town even night neopolitan and had a feeling about FL and OW because on day one OW quickhammered town and then FL called him obvtown because of it. There was a mass claim so I fake claimed VT to make sure I got to day 3. FL claimed town neopolitan day 3 and I countercalimed neopolitan. I correctly called out OW and FL as scum. Town still stupidly eliminated me, but the point is that I was right on my reads.

OW and FL made some not so nice comments about my play in the scum thread, so it's pretty obvious to me that OW is scum here and thinks I am an easy mislynch.

I don't have to read it to know scum never move together on day 1. This is pretty much common sense if you ask me.

[Luca Blight]

That’s not true. I’ve seen scum move together plenty of times D1.

It’s common sense that if people generally believe scum wouldn’t move together D1, then scum would feel it’s quite safe to do so.

[Amélie]

NoPowerOverMe has 3000+ posts and estimate 20+ games.

I don't believe he truly believes that out of the 4 people on his wagon DAY 1, mind you, 3 are scum meaning 1) he found the entire scum team day 1 and 2) the entire scum team is so afraid of him that they decided they couldn't even wait until night to kill him and piled onto him in a frenzy.

If he seriously believes this, I will be utterly shocked.

I think he's either trying to look incredibly stupid so people think his actions aren't scummy but rather just dumb. Or he's trying to set up some tunnels/parking spots for his attention/vote.

I don't think I see him ever being town here but in my last game, the person I was sure was scum on day 1 was town. So I'm willing to compromise on voting any of my other scum reads.

[Amélie]

That’s not true. I’ve seen scum move together plenty of times D1.

It’s common sense that if people generally believe scum wouldn’t move together D1, then scum would feel it’s quite safe to do so.

Inside of this small paragraph, though you never straight up said it, you are implying that I am scum, correct?

[Luca Blight]

No.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I believe it, because that's what happened in the aforementioned game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I have only played in 10 games, not 20.

[NoPowerOverMe]

OutWorldER	Alive	Mafia Goon	Survived and Won
NoPowerOverMe	Dead	Town Even-Night Neapolitan	Eliminated Day 3
Flavor Leaf	Alive	Mafia Traffic Analyst	Survived and Won
Alchemist21	Alive	Mafia 2-shot Rolestopper	Survived and Won

Vote Count 3.8

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

NoPowerOverMe

(3): Flavor Leaf, Alchemist21, OutWorldER

OutWorldER

(2): NoPowerOverMe, Battle Mage

no elim

(1): Rannygazoo

Not Voting

(3): MathBlade, Titus, no elim

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-13 20:25:07).

Mod notes:

I am using Thesp's automated votecounter - please notify me if there are any errors.
Battle Mage is V/LA for the weekend. I am also V/LA for the weekend, but I will try to get vote counts spaced a maximum of 12 hours apart.

[Frogsterking]

I think a D1 cross between NPOM and LunarMartian and Trendall looks pretty nice right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

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