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[Andresvmb]

@Flavor, for what it’s worth, I think the shellyc/Noraa slot is Town. Like almost always. I am buying plusJOYED’s early theory about the slot being setup. If anything, plus is Town and worth listening to here.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: nopoint

I’ll settle here for now, come back once I’m fully caught up.

[unwnd]

@Wind
opinion on the no lynch yesterday and the three dead wagon (Shelly/Noraa, Flavor and Dun ) that lead to the no kill yesterday. Do you think scum that Andre was the only scum on a major wagn
when the day was done?

@ FL
How is John not scum if NP is, as John claimed NP as neither being VT or scum? trying to figure out your Logic

No-lim wagonomics probably would lead to the same result of D1

As in nothing, I think where it's suspect if people were claiming intent to lim someone and somehow we ended up with nothing

I'd have to look and see if that's the case

[Andresvmb]

@Flavor, for what it’s worth, I think the shellyc/Noraa slot is Town. Like almost always. I am buying plusJOYED’s early theory about the slot being setup. If anything, plus is Town and worth listening to here.

Okay I posted this after reading that fight between Noraa and Flavor in detail. I had seen some back and forth but I didn’t know it got so aggressive.

The one thing that caught my eye that was interesting to me Flavor and you should pay attention to, is the fact that nopoint made a concerted effort to discredit your Claim. Or at least argue that it could still be compatible with Scum.

Flavor I was defending your play from D1 because I didn’t feel it was Scummy. I’m a bit concerned that you might be shoving Noraa aside and aggressively attacking the slot so they lose credibility. But beyond that, it seemed quite personal, and a bit unnecessary? You know I have respect for your game, but waving your experience in people’s faces doesn’t make for a pleasant in-game experience.

[Andresvmb]

@Flavor, for what it’s worth, I think the shellyc/Noraa slot is Town. Like almost always. I am buying plusJOYED’s early theory about the slot being setup. If anything, plus is Town and worth listening to here.

Okay I posted this after reading that fight between Noraa and Flavor in detail. I had seen some back and forth but I didn’t know it got so aggressive.

The one thing that caught my eye that was interesting to me Flavor and you should pay attention to, is the fact that nopoint made a concerted effort to discredit your Claim. Or at least argue that it could still be compatible with Scum.

Flavor I was defending your play from D1 because I didn’t feel it was Scummy. I’m a bit concerned that you might be shoving Noraa aside and aggressively attacking the slot so they lose credibility. But beyond that, it seemed quite personal, and a bit unnecessary? You know I have respect for your game, but waving your experience in people’s faces doesn’t make for a pleasant in-game experience.

[Andresvmb]

Andres, I need you. I'm so triggered this game.

I’m here!

[Andresvmb]

is that 4 votes on Noraa?

Meh.

Plusjoyed probably scum, Johnny probably town.

There’s one thing about plusJOYED that I’ll say. I recall feeling very disconnected with plusJOYED when we were both Town, and we exchanged SRs, and I also remember thinking that they were very wrong. I was partly right, but overly harsh. I’m finding myself this game wanting to trust plus. Which maybe should give me pause? Like plus is making some sense, but it’s also a decently strong defense of shellyc/Noraa that I’m having trouble fighting against. Though it’s also based on an interpretation of the NK, which isn’t reliable.

I’ll agree that if Noraa flips Scum, then look at plus and Johnny is probably Town. I think you’re Town.

I don’t trust nopoint’s attacks on your Claim in particular. I would be fine with nopoint making arguments about your playstyle more, or how your perspective doesn’t make sense. But it’s a very narrow focus, and one which helps avoid contradictions or too much scrutiny.

[Andresvmb]

I’m like having all these thoughts all flow to me at the same time.

Geraintm has been too useless. Plus is making too much sense. Oh and I’m with you that there’s something off about Fuzzy. Admitting to trying to coast don’t give me positive vibes. You’re seeing it as Town. I’m weakening my read there for sure.

[Andresvmb]

I’m still catching up, but if I had to organize the game, I would say I have it something like this:

Town
{Titus [Town Cop Enabler]}
Strong Lean Town
{Dunnstral [Cop Claim], Not_Mafia [Checked Town]}
Lean Town
{plusJOYED, Flavor Leaf [Vig Enabler Claim], Hank Spankems/Insanoflex}
Slight Lean Town
{shellyc/Noraa}
Neutral
{Geraintm}
Slight Lean Scum
{unwnd}
Lean Scum
{nopointinactingup, TheFuzzyLogic99, JohnnyFarrar}

Now, the thing about this is that you could flip the Lean Town row with the Lean Scum row, and the game still makes sense.

[Andresvmb]

Nopoint's reads and progression on me all game have been fake.

I'm going to bring it all the way back to early Day 1.

He shaded Dunnstral poorly, as did I.

Then I played my bait, and Nopoint's literally the player that got caught from my bait earlier.

I guarantee you that Nopoint is scum, and I have been saying Nopoint scum since Day 1.

I have been pushing Nopoint as my top 2 scumreads all day, and actually, I'm easing up on Unwnd a bit because of Noraa/Nopoint.

Nopoint disappeared from the game when Noraa and I were fighting, yet Plusjoyed isn't talking about that.

This turn makes perfect sense btw if Noraa was scum with FL

Vote: Noraa

This is a Scummy vote. This is essentially shade by association? Do I have that right?

[Andresvmb]

I don't think noraa is scum
I've thought it over, I can't believe I missed FL claiming vig enabler. This is def a town FL move imo. Now this makes a lot more sense.

I'm the vig, I shot titus n1. No point in really hiding if the enabler is out there. I thought titus was scum trying to sidetrack with a flashwagon on town shelly, I was wrong. I'm guessing scum did too. I seriously believe there is a maf conspiracy with maf team framing shelly for titus kill; this is not scum!shelly's MO at all, and shelly/noraa is town.

I will be shooting johny tonight.

Okay haha now THIS I hadn’t seen.

Now, Flavor has tied themselves to their Partner as Scum mechanically before. Do I think that’s what’s happening here in order to tilt the game in their favor? No. And plusJOYED was under limited scrutiny, so this is mighty unnecessary. HOWEVER, the fact that there was overlap between the Vig and the NK is, I have to say it, very convenient. It eliminates the chance that Flavor’s claim is verified by seeing two executions overnight, unless plus your role is not 1-Shot. If it’s not, then I look forward to the confirmation later.

This also makes nopoint look worse, I think.

[Andresvmb]

^dumb, you already said you would be shooting Johnny.

Okay so I’m fine with my vote.

[Andresvmb]

despite andres less activity I still TR him
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TRs I'm taking vig suggestions from (unordered)
insano
noraa
dunn
FL
andres

notmafia has been so out of it I'd rather not let them aim no offense.

I would do Fuzzy. I think we’ll get more content out of Johnny. But I think Johnny makes sense from what I’ve read.

[Andresvmb]

I am a watcher enabler. I believed FL’s claim because I knew it was an enabler-packed game. I think he’s scum because there’s no way all 3 enablers are town.

N1 I was neighborized by Johnny. Anyone who thinks we are sus can volunteer to be neighorized tonight.

Noraa it’s a shame you’re scum, would have loved a K-pop qt

Neighborizer could be pocketing you - just saying. It’s a weak clear at best.

And between Vig and Watcher, I’m going to go for Vig as more likely Town. Outside of the fact that plus seems very Towny to me.

[unwnd]

I don't know where your vote lies on nopoint yet you entertain the idea of johnny being scum andres?

[Andresvmb]

I don't know where your vote lies on nopoint yet you entertain the idea of johnny being scum andres?

I hadn’t even parsed through all the claims when I made my vote.

[unwnd]

Vote count 2.06

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-12-26 12:19:38).

elimination

2. Andresvmb [0]:

3. unwnd [1]:

Insanoflex#1444

4. Flavor Leaf [0]:

5. Insanoflex [1]:

JohnnyFarrar#835

6. Noraa [3]:

Andresvmb#683, Not_Mafia#841, nopointinactingup#1344

7. PlusJOYED [0]:

8. Not_Mafia [0]:

9. JohnnyFarrar [0]:

10. geraintm [0]:

11. TheFuzzyLogic99 [0]:

12. Dunnstral [0]:

13. nopointinactingup [4]:

TheFuzzyLogic99#1290, PlusJOYED#1292, Flavor Leaf#1316, Noraa#1360

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [3]:

unwnd#1415, Dunnstral#1418, geraintm#1483

mod notes

Spoiler: vote log

Day 2 vote log

Post 681: PlusJOYED votes nopointinactingup
Post 683: Andresvmb votes Noraa
Post 685: Not_Mafia votes nopointinactingup
Post 701: JohnnyFarrar votes Noraa
Post 705: Dunnstral votes Flavor Leaf
Post 715: Flavor Leaf votes unwnd
Post 744: Noraa votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 751: nopointinactingup votes Flavor Leaf
Post 812: Dunnstral votes Insanoflex
Post 835: JohnnyFarrar votes Insanoflex
Post 837: Noraa votes geraintm
Post 841: Not_Mafia votes Noraa
Post 843: nopointinactingup votes Insanoflex
Post 845: Noraa votes Not_Mafia
Post 859: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes unwnd
Post 864: Flavor Leaf votes Insanoflex
Post 865: Flavor Leaf votes unwnd
Post 877: Insanoflex votes nopointinactingup
Post 885: geraintm votes nopointinactingup
Post 898: geraintm votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 938: PlusJOYED votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 943: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes unvote
Post 959: Insanoflex votes unwnd
Post 961: unwnd votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 1068: Noraa votes Flavor Leaf
Post 1086: Flavor Leaf votes Noraa
Post 1212: Insanoflex votes Noraa
Post 1263: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes Insanoflex
Post 1289: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 1290: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes nopointinactingup
Post 1292: PlusJOYED votes nopointinactingup
Post 1316: Flavor Leaf votes nopointinactingup
Post 1344: nopointinactingup votes Noraa
Post 1360: Noraa votes nopointinactingup
Post 1415: unwnd votes unvote
Post 1417: Insanoflex votes unvote
Post 1418: Dunnstral votes unvote
Post 1444: Insanoflex votes unwnd
Post 1483: geraintm votes unvote

Noraa wagon as of this post has worse makeup than nopoint wagon

More thought soon

[Andresvmb]

at this point a mass claim is the way we should go and those who dont should be killed or vigged imho

I would argue this is coming from a Scum perspective.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You two are fascinating to follow at 1a.m. Christmas morning

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99

[Andresvmb]

^placeholder until I’m done reading (I’m on Page 60), and I figure out where the votes are.

[Andresvmb]

I personally think we need to out the watcher...imho

nah I don't think they exist

I agree.

[Andresvmb]

Shellyc was banned? Okay that explains a few things.

[unwnd]

The whirlwind of claims is the polarizing thing I've seen thus far in this game. Within a frame of a couple of hours, you had FL who claimed Vig Enabler, Nopoint who claimed Watcher Enabler, PlusJOYED who claimed Vig, then Johnny that claimed complex neighborizer

Right now I think the claims likely contain one scum, who used this shitshow for lack of a better term to gain some townpoints. I find it so odd that Johnny claimed in a matter of I think like 3 votes and then Nopoint proceeded to claim afterwards to attest their neighborhood. I think right now your best bet to find scum in the claims is right here, because unlike all the other claims, they were completely unsolicited besides like FL's claim lol

[Andresvmb]

maybe
andres is my strongest non-mechanical (as in roles/claims not being a thing) TRs personally.
But POE is tightening for me
I think andres, Noraa are dayplay wise town
I think either nopoint or johny is town and other maf
Notmafia and dunn gotta be town
FL is town

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book. I think uwnd is probably scum, he's been trying to slow things down as of late and talking himself up. I'll probably shoot him if nopoint flips red today.

if I had to guess a solve it'd be nopoint/uwnd/insano.

On play, andres looks town, yeah. But I went back and noticed he was making some pretty strained defenses of nopoint, and for all his posting looks town, he hasn't really driven the game in any direction, and I feel as though today he's started to coast quite a bit. Just a theory that's contingent partly on nopoint's flip. I know people don't trust me because of Hank's play, and I don't really have a problem getting flipped at some point, just want to give people something to consider after I flip.

This is probably Scum btw. Insano has nonsensically been trying to tie me to nopoint, and is softly discrediting me.