PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Solstice]

Spoiler: mastina

Mastina has been decently aggressive towards Creature, and now you, wouldn't you say? I am interested in what the big distinction you're noticing between her attitude towards BM and you two is. and I guess why you think that shift is inherently scummy. I would take it down a notch after hard tunneling a townie on the first day -- and i don't really see the big shift you're seeing, I suppose.

Eh while Toogaloo's arguments are by and large made in bad faith and highly disingenuous overall, this is one point of his where he does at least have some merit, but you're also right so your point has merit, too.

There is a difference between my D1 play and my D2+ play. But the shift in it has a very, stupidly obvious, cause; being wrong when I was the primary driver of the mislynch is something that makes me fear being the primary driver of another elimination. But I refuse to not contribute, I refuse to give nothing, I refuse to not give content, to entirely be in the back seat and just blindly sheep, so I still give my opinions, I still give my advice, I still give my reads and reasons on my content, just in a more passive way. Is actually a fully subconscious thing; it's not something I consciously choose to do.

She had DEB!scum a little bit before it was cool, too.

I mean I called him de facto scum from the get-go.

Granted, for all of the times I've called him scum (I think in the entirety of this game, there's been one, maybe two, times where I thought DEB might be town? One yesterday when I didn't think he'd sack himself just to eliminate someone who was probably going down anyway, maybe one other time but if so don't remember when; otherwise, been scum the entire time), I don't think I've ever voted him seriously (heck even right now I'm voting Toog!) or seriously pressured him. So as much as I've called him scum basically the entire game, it's at least plausible for me to be a scumbuddy distancing without having committed to a hard bus.

And granted, she came around to Bell being scum after a little bit of hesitation, but that certainly wasn't unique to mastina and it didnt automatically make her into a sheep from there on either.

I was actually the one to point out Bell's defensiveness and having cracked under pressure! That was a point I made before anyone else. Butyeah, I was, sadly, a bit late to the Bellscum train. I had Bell as a read to reevaluate on D2, but I unfortunately had him as initially townier than Dunn/Toog who were one step below him.

Alas.

At least I corrected that mistake later-on tho.

[I suppose i'm missing what he's interpreting as scummy from the change, then. I would not push a read the same way as you did BM after a townflip, i dont think most ppl would. Also the thread's kinda been on auto pilot due to the Bell stuff, then the claims, then DEB's guilty..]

[i thought your reversal on the DEB read due to disbelief he'd off himself for Dunn was at least slightly townie cause you could've kept pushing him and I think Dunn still woulda died. and oh yes i do remember the de facto scum post on DEB]

[I also remember that post about Bell you made -- i was just referring to how you had maybe 1-2 posts where you didn't buy into pichu's case at first.]

deb was supposed to die and yet... nothing

Ah well, suppose this info helps the town more than the scum since FL already knew it was you.

It does help technically narrow the poe down slightly since it means the people calling Ydrasse scum need to reevaluate that stance and helps eliminate the paranoia present there.

[AKA Spiffeh basically. that will be interesting]

~Morning

[Solstice]

Spiffeh and Dr Easy Bake almost certainly. Spiffeh is admittedly a PoE read here; Spiffeh's stances haven't been unreasonable really.

I would guess Toogeloo for third, but rn, I strongly think that may be a trap in that Flavor Leaf wants us to lim there. So I'm not exactly confident there though admittedly, the evidence points in favor of Toogeloo being scum here. I think my conspiracy theory pick for third scum here would be Solstice as mastina and Polar Bears just seem really town this game. (Ydrasse is a trust read here.) But that's a conspiracy pick; by play, Toogeloo is the logical choice for third.

(Also, I think if the game isn't over before then, there's a very very high possibility 3p LimLo is Solstice/Ydrasse/me.)

[Really i think Toog is scummier than Spiffeh so if you're town here i think that's pretty open and shut then]

[Oh, talked with Misty btw and at this point we're fine with DEB/Toog/Spiffeh as top 3]

~Morning

[mastina]

is Mastina capable of going sicko mode on BM D1 like that as scum?

Theoretically? Yes, it's possible. I'm pretty sure I've done it before in some past scumgame of mine. I think rather notably I was hyper-aggressive in that game where I was a hydra with Katsuki and eliminated the BROseidon/AngryPidgeon hydra during the day who had perfect reads yet they got mislynched. So it's something that is something I theoretically have the capability to do.

In reality? Probably not, mafia games are hella draining especially going hyper-aggressive. As-is, it's hard to maintain as town (a lot of my townplay actually resolves around trying to get myself nightkilled early, just so that I can chill in the dead thread, because it's less stressful, less effort, once I am dead and every day I'm alive is a drain), but as scum instead of those thoughts being genuine I'd instead have to

fake

them. Which is harder than pouring genuine heart and soul into things.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm the weird one where scum is easier than town at this point to be genuine.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you probably enjoy being scum more than being town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've rolled scum more than I've rolled town at this point, and I made a list of my games this year, and I got night killed as town a hell of a lot this year.

I wanna solve some puzzles, not create them. I'm not the youngin I used to be.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you should've let me be the scum stump then :/

[Polar Bear Express]

The more Mastina says this could be her scum game, the more I'm just believing its not :/
My TRs are Mastina and Solstice.
Gloria agrees with me for the most part on mastina but has some doubt about solstice I'm pretty sure.
My main thing with solstice is just the claim seems too weird to be from scum & the effort seems real not fake. Assuming DEB is a scum supersaint, I don't think scum ever claims supersaint enabler here.

-nornor

[Polar Bear Express]

The more Mastina says this could be her scum game, the more I'm just believing its not :/
My TRs are Mastina and Solstice.
Gloria agrees with me for the most part on mastina but has some doubt about solstice I'm pretty sure.
My main thing with solstice is just the claim seems too weird to be from scum & the effort seems real not fake. Assuming DEB is a scum supersaint, I don't think scum ever claims supersaint enabler here.

-nornor

I think Mastina’s probably town for other reasons. Her talking about her meta is NAI.

Well in Royalty, Tweetie misrepped my posts, here she isn’t doing that. Although we seem to have a different take on Ydrasse’s progression on us but that obviously doesn’t matter anymore post vigclaim. Assuming Tweetie’s role is real which I think it probably is and based off what Ydrasse posted, I think it’s unlikely that DEB was redirected, so yeah, probably.

I think FL has a fondness for that role if Last Night Tomorrow is any indication. In that game there was no enabler and had a town supersaint in it.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's also a part of my Compromise game.

[Spiffeh]

Hey guys I'm a little wine drunk how's it going?

[Toogeloo]

Start voting DEB, I'll vote at L-2, Unvote, and then hammer at L-1.

Unless people want to talk.

If I don't die from SS, I'm the lynch tomorrow almost assuredly barring a miracle.

[Toogeloo]

Please remember I don't play on Sundays, so if we don't hammer tonight, you'll have to wait til Monday.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: doctor easy bake

pew pew pew

[Solstice]

[Sooo who's your guess for scum outside of DEB/Toog now Spiffey?]

~Morning

[Toogeloo]

Currently two votes on me and two on DEB, it takes four votes before I attempt the hated modifier vote.

[Solstice]

[unoffical VC]

[2] DEB <- Creature, Ydrasse
[2] Toogaloo <- mastina, DEB
[6] Not voting <- Spiffeh, Polarbears, Solstice, Toogeloo, Murdercat, Ircher

[with 10 alive, it's 6 to execute]

[pedit: yeah]

~Morning

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: DEB

@Solstice that requires me to reevaluate because at this moment I am townreading all of the remaining options

I will try to do that after my V/LA

[Ircher]

VOTE: DEB
Go ahrad and vote Toogeloo, if you are around.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tooge shouldn't hammer imo

somebody else volunteer for the honor pls.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

Well the only logical alternative is Spiffeh.

Can you explain your thinking here Pooky, as in why you dob't think Toogeloo should hammer here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont really SR tooge that much?

i feel hes too eager

so imo either the scum dont have a supersaint and tooge is scum trying to towncred for nothing or

scum do have a supersaint and tooge is actually town

either way i dont think he should be it.

[Toogeloo]

I need to be the one that hammers Pook. I'm on the chopping block for tomorrow.