TENET - Game Over

[Annie Edison]

I might not kick and scream against Titus too hard anymore. I could be wrong there.

Idk.

Hench can you walk me through your skitter thoughts (and how they’ve changed) throughout this day phase?

[Hench Princesses]

Idk, at this point there's several points I would rather make about her after her flip, as they will sound stupid if she flips green. For me the biggest one is continuing to push you as scum after bulge came in and frankly made some very townie posts. Like idk what to do with her being wrong on me, but her being wrong on both of us when you are only getting more town makes me feel like she's just advancing an agenda rather than solving. I also think fire's points about her in the early game were very likely correct (even if fire ends up actually being scum too)

-E

[Annie Edison]

Why were you pushing so much to get her over here then

[Annie Edison]

I also think fast food has already been outed who it’s referring to lol

[Dunnstral]

"one of the heads of deacon" was shade at bork, not me. But then he mentioned me. Felt like a "Look at me I can't even keep the hydrae heads togetehr lah de dah townread my robotics"

is deacon cabd? if so, he can't read me for shit anyway, so that's a pretty good indicator im town

[Spiffeh]

I don't think Titus has even been ignoring me?

]I am not concerned with Titus' approach to me this game so far

I would be concerned if Titus had a strong town read on me from the jump. I expect town!Titus to be wary of me early on and gradually begin to identify that I'm town as the game goes on

At this point, I think her null/null-scum reading me is believable given what I have presented to the thread, and a few things she's said to/about me this Day make me think she's coming around to town reading me which makes me happy

[Dunnstral]

Who said Titus was ignoring ypu?

[Spiffeh]

I am interested in who she thinks should be limmed today after she's done catching up

[Spiffeh]

oh yeah, I meant to ask actually: Spiffeh, is titus just ignoring your slot a thing that... happens? as t/t?

[Titus]

Spoiler: Pisskop relevant posting

Excited.

oh boy. Yea lets just powerlynch something and move on. Narrow down our suspect pool before we sort everyone.

Sounds good Pisskop can we start with you.

you could.

but then i wouldnt be in the game anymore. Thus i must object. You need me, you see.

P: ummm idk. Id agree to no thread-swapping, but Im not so sure its in the spirit of the game. We might have some kind of hidden mechanic, and most likely scum can somehow influence the swaps or even make their own somehow.

Skitter needs to be yeeted. I'm only to post 201 but you should yeet him ASAP. The hyperfocus on yeeting Imperium is bad, particularly the early random shade. Most of her reads are shade. The townread on HP was unwarranted based on the their ISO at the time. Not sure if it's warranted now.

hmmmm this is good. A post by a person Ive known for years about a person I feel a connection with.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

bwahahahahaha

Flavor is honestly best dealt with by assuming they are town to begin with and then subtracting points for the things they do.

All you guys need to know is: I am town. I have utility.

ahhhh, well i did not know you ICed and i did not know i had to consent to be flipped.

sure i consent. one thread is as good as another.

vote: turnstyle piss

Thread 2 (Inverted)

boop

okay. merry 'mas

That's literally all Pisskop has done. We have "eliminated" scum in the forwards thread by turnstyling and eliminating. Two turnstyles means two opportunities to save scum from the elimination. We turnstyled Pooky and pisskop. Pooky's tried and got suspicion. Pisskop's been a bowl of lurky shit. His response to a prod is a prodge. That's inexcusable. Lim him.

Looking at Pisskop's posts, there's a major hint as to his partner. It's Brian Skies. He alludes to scum having a turnstyle mechanic because he already knows they have it.

Brian's role acts like a scum get out of jail free card. It can also act to disrupt another thread.

So I am strongly at Pisskop BS and Pooky all aligned.

The house of cards rests with Pisskop being scum. Flip him before Pooky.

We'll flip BS here first if I have a say.

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Titus]

oh yeah, I meant to ask actually: Spiffeh, is titus just ignoring your slot a thing that... happens? as t/t?

Boo. I haven't been ignoring Spiffeh.

Stop dancing around me HP.

[Spiffeh]

Who is fast food boy?

[Titus]

BS has been dancing around buttering up Gypyx. His reads are largely sheeping, except for the one on LLD. Can anyone remember a contribution since then?

The idea we send scummy people over there has been used to save scum and create apathy over here.

Town over there don't eliminate the first person we send over (pisskop) because they have another.

Then they can't even play their own thread.

[Titus]

Can someone beam over 4034 please?

[Annie Edison]

Yeah, yeah,

I see it now.

What was I looking at before then? Should I be concerned about it?

[Dunnstral]

Something_Smart, have you been reading this thread?

[Spiffeh]

@Deacon Blues did Nacho/Tammy ever explain why or how they wanted to 'look into' Brian Skies more today?

[Dunnstral]

I'm in the camp where I don't mind if Pisskop is eliminated, but I don't want him to be eliminated over Pooky. So in actuality, I do mind, but only for today - I won't care on day 3. I think he's due for a replacement? Saying Merry Christmas is not a content post, by the rules.

[Hench Princesses]

Why were you pushing so much to get her over here then

That's a way more complicated question than it may seem lol

Maybe a numbered list:
1 - I wasn't certain on skitter at that point, and if you don't have good reads good mechanical play can help correct reads
1a. I wanted to see how skitter reacted to me presenting an argument she should be sent to this thread since that was a key point in her initial scumread of me
1b. I wanted to see how skitter reacted to the larger implications of her role being put in this thread, particularly in why she was ignoring other claims and focusing on her own (i.e. fire)
1c. I was playing with fire/skitter s/s scenario and wanted to see how she reacted to her being shipped here being paired

incidentally she ignored that entire conversation, despite having a hair trigger on other posts I make. Again my point I made a while ago that if she's town she has the worst timing ever, since she seems to stop reading this thread whenever I reach out to her or try to see how she reacts to something that could help me see how she's evaluating me in realtime.

2 - I wanted to help understand sb9 better and that conversation was helping me see how he reacted to a scenario where someone in this thread supported his interpretation of the points (particularly
2a. I think sb9's argument that on a miss d1 the "full town thread 1" scenario might be hard to achieve and we should be simply trying to get tpr claims into the right time stream might have merit
2b. I wanted to see how sb9 re-evaluated skitter given he'd been insisting on skitter and ignoring fire's claim

I didn't get much out of sb9 irt fire, but I did see sb9 trying to... one-up our thread in terms of pro-town mech play. That struck me as townie, which cooled my dislike of his wallpost case from d1 (gamma iirc). I'm still not sure why the inverted thread has him as top tier town but I also have never played with him before, but I can see him flipping town pretty easily now.

3. I thought that arguing that skitter could be sent here *on the condition that a cop was sent the next dayphase* meant scum would actually have a reason to kill her if she was sent, which would make her being sent here, if she was, way more informational tonight. Or could actually get her to eat a nightkill, which if she's town would be FANTASTIC

4. I think the overall possibility was that we had used the information at hand on d1 to create an incorrect strategy and really was just thinking that "yolo let's send the mech claims to the right timestream" had a lot of merit and wanted to see how people would react in this thread to taking that possibility seriously

5. I thought that the idea of sending both skitter+fire over here would probably create a lot of pushback. In particular I was at the time worried that Dunn had been overly sheeping me on mech points or using that as a way as scum to get into the game. Actually Dunn worringly reacted very similar to how I was afraid he would act as scum, and that was part of what prompted my dream-vision post about dunn scum, but now I'm pretty sure unwnd was town now that I get how she was viewing the game overall

6. I thought sending fire+skitter here would get a lot of pushback overall and wanted to see if people would present more coherent arguments about how they were viewing fire's slot

7. I thought it was an optimal "mech play" case and wanted to shove that in the face of the "omg only send skitter here" arguments from inverted (this is related to why I vibed with sb9 in point 2) since those arguments seemed to be ignoring all the other softs/claims and only focusing on skitter because she was scummy

I don't want it characterized as a reaction test, as I was at least partially considering it seriously, but reactions were very important for why I pushed that in the manner that I did

So overall it was pretty helpful for me, I leaned town on sb9, I began to think skitter was possibly going out of her way to ignore the discussion in this thread when I considered the possibility of sending her (which made me think she might be scum and was trying to spew me as scum with her), and I got even more worried about Dunn even though I later reconsidered on him due to rereading unwnd. That moment combined with skitter ignoring my push on annie at Eod1 and other reach-out moments, + her continued insistence on scum annie even when bulge seems really town collectively make me feel more confident that skitter does in fact just flip scum this game. If she's town she's blown literally every opportunity I have gone out of my way to create for her to show an actual solving thought process in regard to my slot.

-E

[Hench Princesses]

Titus if Brian is scum why does he get super paranoid about my townread on him when basically no one else is townreading him?

-E

[Hench Princesses]

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

what did Bell do that's making you reconsider? also I'm not sure you wavering on me means

also why do you have LLD as top tier town again?

-E

[Titus]

Titus if Brian is scum why does he get super paranoid about my townread on him when basically no one else is townreading him?

-E

Agency Capture is a thing. Turning the elimination to Spiffeh or me or you is a thing. If BS suspects the pool is you v him, townreading you makes him look good. It also frees him to shoot theories on people who aren't limmable.

I can speculate all day long with many theories, some of them contradictory depending on what i think he thinks.

[Hench Princesses]

1. i'm ignoring posts of yours that if i answer are probably going to lead to a conversation that's going to piss me off, yes (i also thought i made this p clear multiple times...). i don't know exactly which conversation i ignored but it was probably one of those ones ... . on a related note: if you're trying to reach out to me, you're doing a p bad job because you keep taking jabs at me that i'm actively ignoring. if you'd want to talk to me in real time i'm happy to if you can keep the lid on it for a bit

2. fire, for the four thousandth time, i'm p sure is a meme, which means i'm putting exactly 0 stock in it and am not taking seriously

3. you keep accusing me of having awful timing when we established that the awful timing was you misremembering the order that events happening in this thread (i.e. you said i should have claimed watcher as soon as imperium claimed, and dinged me for not doing so ... when they claimed after me). you agreed with me that you got the order of events wrong, so i'm not sur why you're still complaining i have awful timing? if you brought up other instances of awful timing this is news to me

4. wrt 2a - that's literally my argument ... how come it has merit when he says it but when i say it it's baloney?

5. wrt 2b - this is factually incorrect, he's been prioritizing shipping fire over there over me

6. wrt 4 - again literally what i've been saying for at least a week now

7. wrt your last sentence - i strongly, strongly, strongly disagree with how you're characterizing our interactions

i don't have much else to say to this beyond noting that this is the one and only post i've townread from you this entire game.

Yeah, the conversation I felt you ignored was when I argued you should be sent here though.

Like you were like.... Hench scum, hench scum, hench scum...

Hench: "actually fuck it let's send skitter over here anyway if it means we can get fire here as a cop"

skitter: *nothing, suddenly only interested in other thread*

Annie/others: fuck that, no skitter

fire: lol I'm not cop

skitter: *nothing*

Hench: well toss that then, okay, skitter doesn't come

skitter: oh yeah did I mention HP is scum?

like the timing of when you chose to focus on this thread was literally identical to a scenario where you are scum and are either trying to actually get in this thread or are trying to spew me scum on your scumflip. And given how quickly you've been replying to other stuff I have said makes me feel like you were actively choosing not to engage in that conversation because it suited your agenda

2. -- you can say fire is a meme, and he did retract, but I've seen fire *be cop* and claim in like an identical manner. And anyway it was a way for evaluating the way your thread was approaching your slot. If you are scumread but believed to be a watcher, why are they ignoring fire's thread even though it *might* be a joke? Why is the "jokey" cop claim less important than the scummy watcher?

3 -- by awful timing I mean when you choose to interact with me and which of my posts you choose to respond to. Also your paranoia about the timing of people saying they scumread you in this thread seemed bizarre... if 0 people have reads of you, and then everyone is asked to give a take on you, some people are likely to scumread you. I don't get at all why you came up with 3 being too many or a weird number in a thread with 11 people at that point. And I went out of my way to indicate that my take on your alignment was superficial, yet you zero'd in on it way more than the reads that people in your own thread might actually take seriously.

irt 2b, I'd have to look back but it certainly seemed like sb9 was pushing you to be shipped pretty hard

In regard to the end, idk, I feel like I took your read of annie pretty seriously. I was very worried she was very political scum. But Bulge's posts in the last 24 hours I have a very, very hard time seeing coming from scum, and I was totally baffled by why you came in and said you were continuing to dislike Annie when I think Annie is pretty town overall at this point. Maybe not "jokeclaim mason" level town, but like, only a few hairs short. I know that NS has a very "appeasing" style and tends toward shutting down conversation about certain slots very aggressively in a kinda distracting way sometimes but overall I don't see how Bulge head specifically flips scum. I was even worried that NS was trying to hide behind bell+bulge on the shelly read but I think if bulge was scum he would have given a way more coherent/attempted-towny-sounding take on why they were on that wagon.

-E

[Hench Princesses]

two food bros

who are the food bros?

-E

[Annie Edison]

What the fuck was that post