revO emaG - TENET

[Dandelion Wine]

New starting point... ish.

Reverse Timeline (All players in a tier are equal, not sorted within these tiers)

Tier A:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
superbowl9
Lady Lambdadelta

Tier B:

Firebringer
Petapan
A50

Tier C:

Something_Smart
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

Tier D:

skitter30
midwaybear
Pisskop

Tier F:

PookyTheMagicalBear

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

[Deacon Blues]

I'm subcontracting my LLD read to you. :/

[skitter30]

Why were you pushing so much to get her over here then

That's a way more complicated question than it may seem lol

Maybe a numbered list:
1 - I wasn't certain on skitter at that point, and if you don't have good reads good mechanical play can help correct reads
1a. I wanted to see how skitter reacted to me presenting an argument she should be sent to this thread since that was a key point in her initial scumread of me
1b. I wanted to see how skitter reacted to the larger implications of her role being put in this thread, particularly in why she was ignoring other claims and focusing on her own (i.e. fire)
1c. I was playing with fire/skitter s/s scenario and wanted to see how she reacted to her being shipped here being paired

incidentally she ignored that entire conversation, despite having a hair trigger on other posts I make. Again my point I made a while ago that if she's town she has the worst timing ever, since she seems to stop reading this thread whenever I reach out to her or try to see how she reacts to something that could help me see how she's evaluating me in realtime.

2 - I wanted to help understand sb9 better and that conversation was helping me see how he reacted to a scenario where someone in this thread supported his interpretation of the points (particularly
2a. I think sb9's argument that on a miss d1 the "full town thread 1" scenario might be hard to achieve and we should be simply trying to get tpr claims into the right time stream might have merit
2b. I wanted to see how sb9 re-evaluated skitter given he'd been insisting on skitter and ignoring fire's claim

I didn't get much out of sb9 irt fire, but I did see sb9 trying to... one-up our thread in terms of pro-town mech play. That struck me as townie, which cooled my dislike of his wallpost case from d1 (gamma iirc). I'm still not sure why the inverted thread has him as top tier town but I also have never played with him before, but I can see him flipping town pretty easily now.

3. I thought that arguing that skitter could be sent here *on the condition that a cop was sent the next dayphase* meant scum would actually have a reason to kill her if she was sent, which would make her being sent here, if she was, way more informational tonight. Or could actually get her to eat a nightkill, which if she's town would be FANTASTIC

4. I think the overall possibility was that we had used the information at hand on d1 to create an incorrect strategy and really was just thinking that "yolo let's send the mech claims to the right timestream" had a lot of merit and wanted to see how people would react in this thread to taking that possibility seriously

5. I thought that the idea of sending both skitter+fire over here would probably create a lot of pushback. In particular I was at the time worried that Dunn had been overly sheeping me on mech points or using that as a way as scum to get into the game. Actually Dunn worringly reacted very similar to how I was afraid he would act as scum, and that was part of what prompted my dream-vision post about dunn scum, but now I'm pretty sure unwnd was town now that I get how she was viewing the game overall

6. I thought sending fire+skitter here would get a lot of pushback overall and wanted to see if people would present more coherent arguments about how they were viewing fire's slot

7. I thought it was an optimal "mech play" case and wanted to shove that in the face of the "omg only send skitter here" arguments from inverted (this is related to why I vibed with sb9 in point 2) since those arguments seemed to be ignoring all the other softs/claims and only focusing on skitter because she was scummy

I don't want it characterized as a reaction test, as I was at least partially considering it seriously, but reactions were very important for why I pushed that in the manner that I did

So overall it was pretty helpful for me, I leaned town on sb9, I began to think skitter was possibly going out of her way to ignore the discussion in this thread when I considered the possibility of sending her (which made me think she might be scum and was trying to spew me as scum with her), and I got even more worried about Dunn even though I later reconsidered on him due to rereading unwnd. That moment combined with skitter ignoring my push on annie at Eod1 and other reach-out moments, + her continued insistence on scum annie even when bulge seems really town collectively make me feel more confident that skitter does in fact just flip scum this game. If she's town she's blown literally every opportunity I have gone out of my way to create for her to show an actual solving thought process in regard to my slot.

-E

oh god

1. i'm ignoring posts of yours that if i answer are probably going to lead to a conversation that's going to piss me off, yes (i also thought i made this p clear multiple times...). i don't know exactly which conversation i ignored but it was probably one of those ones ... . on a related note: if you're trying to reach out to me, you're doing a p bad job because you keep taking jabs at me that i'm actively ignoring. if you'd want to talk to me in real time i'm happy to if you can keep the lid on it for a bit

2. fire, for the four thousandth time, i'm p sure is a meme, which means i'm putting exactly 0 stock in it and am not taking seriously

3. you keep accusing me of having awful timing when we established that the awful timing was you misremembering the order that events happening in this thread (i.e. you said i should have claimed watcher as soon as imperium claimed, and dinged me for not doing so ... when they claimed after me). you agreed with me that you got the order of events wrong, so i'm not sur why you're still complaining i have awful timing? if you brought up other instances of awful timing this is news to me

4. wrt 2a - that's literally my argument ... how come it has merit when he says it but when i say it it's baloney?

5. wrt 2b - this is factually incorrect, he's been prioritizing shipping fire over there over me

6. wrt 4 - again literally what i've been saying for at least a week now

7. wrt your last sentence - i strongly, strongly, strongly disagree with how you're characterizing our interactions

i don't have much else to say to this beyond noting that this is the one and only post i've townread from you this entire game.

[skitter30]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

[Dandelion Wine]

Yeah, I know.

I don't think I'm wrong this game.

If I am standing in the wrong doorway, you'll never let me live it down, a la bell in antechamber.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.

[skitter30]

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

i don't get it

[Dandelion Wine]

i don't have much else to say to this beyond noting that this is the one and only post i've townread from you this entire game.

So if you had a other-thread vig gun with three bullets, you'd be shooting hench three times?

[superbowl9]

tbh I think A50 might just be scum

pedit: holy wall

[Deacon Blues]

Other than that, I don't have issues.

I feel like skitter's content skews in the direction of reacting to posts about her and it feels off. whenever I feel like I should relax some on that read, another round of that kind of posting happens. I'm struggling between D and F there.

[superbowl9]

I would stick around and chat but I'm going to bed, I'll probably be on more tomorrow but Monday's really when I'll get back in the swing of things

[Deacon Blues]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

[Dandelion Wine]

Other than that, I don't have issues.

I feel like skitter's content skews in the direction of reacting to posts about her and it feels off. whenever I feel like I should relax some on that read, another round of that kind of posting happens. I'm struggling between D and F there.

I guess I'm kind of in the same boat as before, minus the wavering.

I keep coming back to "It's skitter+pooky and scum wants us to lim pooky over skitter just like they wanted noraa over cakez and spiffeh"

And by gawd, it's 2020 for not much longer, can a guy have his fucking choice once?

But then I see the two food bros over there scumming it up and I get hesitant.

[Dandelion Wine]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

[skitter30]

i don't have much else to say to this beyond noting that this is the one and only post i've townread from you this entire game.

So if you had a other-thread vig gun with three bullets, you'd be shooting hench three times?

twice hench, and probably once annie

[skitter30]

Other than that, I don't have issues.

I feel like skitter's content skews in the direction of reacting to posts about her and it feels off. whenever I feel like I should relax some on that read, another round of that kind of posting happens. I'm struggling between D and F there.

this game is big and posts abt me are the easiest for me to latch onto

[Deacon Blues]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

I've had a couple paranoia flashes, but I feel like he could so VERY easily post in ways that would avoid those flashes.

my paranoia generation algorithm shouldn't be a black box. and stuff that bugs me should (and has) bugged at least on other player, which suggests to me that it would have been super easy to just not trigger in the first place.

[skitter30]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

need to interact with him some more + knowing what prompted the initial townread would be helpful. holding off for a bit

[Deacon Blues]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

need to interact with him some more + knowing what prompted the initial townread would be helpful. holding off for a bit

And you think giving him an indefinite amount of time to scour your iso for good posts to call townread will be helpful in a bit?

[Dandelion Wine]

if you are town i kill cabd basically no matter what

my options have been kill pooky or sheep cabd because that's usually a good idea

The top one pinged hard. But I've been letting it go, ish.

[skitter30]

And you think giving him an indefinite amount of time to scour your iso for good posts to call townread will be helpful in a bit?

this doesn't even make sense with how you're reading me and him but whatever

he's p good at reading me, and i wanna see if the posts he pulls out are ones that actually make sense for him (in particular) to townread me off of
like if he pulls out ones that i think he would actually townread me off (i.e. as opposed to generically town ones), than i probably end up townreading him

[Deacon Blues]

And you think giving him an indefinite amount of time to scour your iso for good posts to call townread will be helpful in a bit?

this doesn't even make sense with how you're reading me and him but whatever

he's p good at reading me, and i wanna see if the posts he pulls out are ones that actually make sense for him (in particular) to townread me off of
like if he pulls out ones that i think he would actually townread me off (i.e. as opposed to generically town ones), than i probably end up townreading him

I looked at your interaction with the perspective that either or both of you could be town.

And thought about what town-me would want out of the interaction.

I don't know your past encounters or how you'd find each other as town, though.

from a generic town v unknown perspective it looked rather trusting.

[GFITAC]

Has anything new and significant happened since A50 got turnstiled?
Btw was unwnd’s ability just a one shot?
-BCCorp

[Dandelion Wine]

Uhhh

[petapan]

peta has turned into a "kill pooky robot"


why flip bad guys when theres an adorable teddy bear we can dunk instead.

strictly speaking, it is a bit lazy. i am avoiding actually trying to read people in this timeline which is a bit hypocritical. i do not care.

if you are town i kill cabd basically no matter what

my options have been kill pooky or sheep cabd because that's usually a good idea

The top one pinged hard. But I've been letting it go, ish.

i mean if you kill a town pr off vague softclaim whatever then i'm going to take your fucking head off and that's all there is to it but for today if you want to have it your way i have no reason to fight it because i openly lost motivation over a week ago

8/10

[skitter30]

Spoiler: @hp

Yeah, the conversation I felt you ignored was when I argued you should be sent here though.

Like you were like.... Hench scum, hench scum, hench scum...

Hench: "actually fuck it let's send skitter over here anyway if it means we can get fire here as a cop"

skitter: *nothing, suddenly only interested in other thread*

Annie/others: fuck that, no skitter

fire: lol I'm not cop

skitter: *nothing*

Hench: well toss that then, okay, skitter doesn't come

skitter: oh yeah did I mention HP is scum?

because what am i supposed to say to that already? i've said multiple times that fire is a meme, and people aren't listening to my opinion as to whether or not i should be sent over. i'm not getting sent over today, and you posting your theory/plan isn't going ot change that, so what part of it ought i be interacting with even? it was a pipe dream and not happening

and i don't remember which post i called you scum for right there (as there were a lot of them).

like the timing of when you chose to focus on this thread was literally identical to a scenario where you are scum and are either trying to actually get in this thread or are trying to spew me scum on your scumflip. And given how quickly you've been replying to other stuff I have said makes me feel like you were actively choosing not to engage in that conversation because it suited your agenda

i also strongly, strongly disagree with this assessment. i basically call you scum whenever i see you doing something scummy. there's like no grand forethought to it, it's basically: 1.look at your thread
2.see that you're being scummy
3.take note here that you're scummy

that's kinda it.

2. -- you can say fire is a meme, and he did retract, but I've seen fire *be cop* and claim in like an identical manner. And anyway it was a way for evaluating the way your thread was approaching your slot. If you are scumread but believed to be a watcher, why are they ignoring fire's thread even though it *might* be a joke? Why is the "jokey" cop claim less important than the scummy watcher?

i mean i don't know. i know why i ignored it (fire is a meme, and nobody is sending me over), so there wasn't really anything practical for me to say. couldn't tell you why *other* people chose to ignore it

3 -- by awful timing I mean when you choose to interact with me and which of my posts you choose to respond to. Also your paranoia about the timing of people saying they scumread you in this thread seemed bizarre... if 0 people have reads of you, and then everyone is asked to give a take on you, some people are likely to scumread you. I don't get at all why you came up with 3 being too many or a weird number in a thread with 11 people at that point. And I went out of my way to indicate that my take on your alignment was superficial, yet you zero'd in on it way more than the reads that people in your own thread might actually take seriously.

again, it's literally that i see you saying something scummy, so i note that you're being scummy. that's kinda it. and i'm ignoring the posts that are probably going to piss me off.
i wouldn't go so far as to say that you're (still) actively trying to piss me off, but a lot of your posts (i hope not on purpose) are trending in that direction so i dn't want to interact with them

i still think that the timing of the scumreads that happened over there way back when were off. i don't know how ot explain it better, and i think there's scum in that group. it's not that 3 was inherently too many so much as all happening just at the same time makes me think that there were scum in the people saying it.

and, once again, it was not at all clear to me that your appraoch to me then was superficial, which you acknowledged, so once agian, i'm not sure why you're still dinging me for that ... you literally said then that you were actively trying to troll me, and i indicated that i *wasn't able to tell that that's what you were doing*

irt 2b, I'd have to look back but it certainly seemed like sb9 was pushing you to be shipped pretty hard

well certainly not recently ... like for sure not for most of the day ...

In regard to the end, idk, I feel like I took your read of annie pretty seriously. I was very worried she was very political scum. But Bulge's posts in the last 24 hours I have a very, very hard time seeing coming from scum, and I was totally baffled by why you came in and said you were continuing to dislike Annie when I think Annie is pretty town overall at this point. Maybe not "jokeclaim mason" level town, but like, only a few hairs short. I know that NS has a very "appeasing" style and tends toward shutting down conversation about certain slots very aggressively in a kinda distracting way sometimes but overall I don't see how Bulge head specifically flips scum. I was even worried that NS was trying to hide behind bell+bulge on the shelly read but I think if bulge was scum he would have given a way more coherent/attempted-towny-sounding take on why they were on that wagon.

well, what was townie abt the bulge's posting? to me it was basically nai and just kinda there. i didn't get a strong read from it in either direction.