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[Dandelion Wine]

Oh and by the way, @A50:

Read on Dunn?

Anything stand out to you about that slot?

Dunn was town, I believe. A Town Lean, actually.

Say, wasn't it you who instructed Annie to "drop it" when she asked Dunn to claim his night action? Or am I mixing the hydrae?

It was indeed me. Why?

Because the Town Lean was formed at that point.

And you missed their later posts about Dunn in this thread?

How many times do I need to state I stopped following this thread on D1??

ok, i guess

i have never really known what to do with a50 in any game and i still don't now
-ceph

[Something_Smart]

i'm not trying to push you? where di you get that idea from?

I know you're not. I'm asking why you're not trying to push me, because if you aren't, then I don't really understand why you voted me.

[Dandelion Wine]

New starting point... ish.

Reverse Timeline (All players in a tier are equal, not sorted within these tiers)

Tier A:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
superbowl9
Lady Lambdadelta

Tier B:

Firebringer
Petapan
A50

Tier C:

Something_Smart
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

Tier D:

skitter30
midwaybear
Pisskop

Tier F:

PookyTheMagicalBear

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

my thoughts:
lld, peta, a50, ss, pk down one
gamma, skitter up one
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

I've had a couple paranoia flashes, but I feel like he could so VERY easily post in ways that would avoid those flashes.

my paranoia generation algorithm shouldn't be a black box. and stuff that bugs me should (and has) bugged at least on other player, which suggests to me that it would have been super easy to just not trigger in the first place.

this is such a weird reason to not scumread someone!
-ceph

[skitter30]

cabd i'm just too tired rn to respond to that, so i'll get to it in the morning

[Deacon Blues]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

I've had a couple paranoia flashes, but I feel like he could so VERY easily post in ways that would avoid those flashes.

my paranoia generation algorithm shouldn't be a black box. and stuff that bugs me should (and has) bugged at least on other player, which suggests to me that it would have been super easy to just not trigger in the first place.

this is such a weird reason to not scumread someone!
-ceph

someone not named ceph!

[skitter30]

i'm not trying to push you? where di you get that idea from?

I know you're not. I'm asking why you're not trying to push me, because if you aren't, then I don't really understand why you voted me.

also this

[Dandelion Wine]

To be clear, Hench, are you saying this thread's elim should pretty much always be skitter?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't have strong reads and don't trust my own accuracy.

[Deacon Blues]

Spiffeh's question to hench in 4079 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

[Dandelion Wine]

Spiffeh's question to hench in 4079 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Maybe I've lost the thread. I'm having trouble following. Might be the liquor and the time.

You still owe me the morphreasons for my reads wall!

[Deacon Blues]

Spiffeh's question to hench in 4079 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Maybe I've lost the thread. I'm having trouble following. Might be the liquor and the time.

You still owe me the morphreasons for my reads wall!

I'm actually working on that and just realized I totally fucked up the color formatting. So I have to start over and cut/paste the words.

A few of your reads, I'm like..."it's a Cabd read, ask him."

[Dandelion Wine]

No no, it's funnier this way.

Try your best at those too.

[Dandelion Wine]

wine town

When did this happen, because I was intending to poke at the trajectory on your us-read tomorrow anyway, so why not now?

[Dandelion Wine]

Kiddo just woke up. Night terrors phase. Poor thing.

[Dandelion Wine]

Ffery you had better entertain me. The pidgeon drives the bus book got boring after the teeth straight run through.

[Deacon Blues]

New starting point... ish.

Reverse Timeline (All players in a tier are equal, not sorted within these tiers)

Tier A:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin) -

something something shining beacon something

Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd) -

Cabd accurately crumbed their role to me around page 9 after a stilted dance on both our parts because life sucked when this game started. Their actions on N1 confirmed that crumb in spades. He further crumbed to me every PR tell and soft they noticed on day 1 in both threads. And he documented those tells and softs in the neighborhood. The reverse thread N1 kill might make sense as a Cabd-chosen kill if...say Cogito Ergo Sum...were replacing Noraa's hydra, but I don't think Hectic rises to that level of concern. Given other claims/softs in the reverse thread, I would have expected someone else to be dead on Day 2 if Cabd had influence over the scum kill. these are the kinds of reasons people not named fferyllt llyfr like, when asking about my cabd read. These are not the main reasons that I, personally, townread Cabd, but I think my main reasons are way too obscure to be interesting to most folks, and also never get written where Cabd could see them. cue demands for fanfic.

superbowl9 -

I like to think I got here first, but by N1 this was a consensus read of the 3 hydras. Partially from cold meta - the games Cabd, unwnd and I skimmed on d1 - scum superbowl just doesn't have this level of bombast and assurance. scum superbowl by meta doesn't go out of his way to repeatedly insult a town core finding itself.

Lady Lambdadelta -

:hitoshrug: Cabd's read. Has to do with the level of chaos in her play as well as her gambit, but the read preexisted the gambit.

Tier B:

Firebringer - consensus neighborhood read. If we had to turnstile someone to the forward thread, this is who the neighborhood would have pushed.
Petapan - I think scum-peta would have more of a discernable agenda than his posts here. You could argue he's hiding behind dandelion reads, though. and I think the lack of oomph is why he's in this tier for Cabd. It's certainly why he isn't in my top tier atm.
A50 - Due to apparently not seeing where questions are coming from and just plowing merrily along anyway. I can see where a scum A50 might tread more carefully if he didn't know the objective behind a line of questioning.

Tier C:

Something_Smart - Dunno if Cabd's reasons are my reasons but most of s_s's focus seems to be on the ongoing back and forth with skitter. That post to ceph that came off sarcastic was a major ping, and seeing ceph react similarly to it is interesting. Makes me wonder if I"m off. Nacho said something about ceph and bork being the last players whose tonereads he'd trust. Anyway, I was leaning one tier down earlier today, but maybe this is the right tier.

GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake) - their later posts ring town to my ears, but really don't feel good about moving them further up right now.

Tier D:

skitter30 -

The nature of her claim vs the softs and claims and confirmed IC. beyond that, so much in her play bugs me. the data she's put in the thread is mostly reactive. some of her professed reads (Annie in particular) just squick the hell out of me. I didn't think our playstyles clashed to this extent. In fact based on a game I modded and the one game we played in 2018(?) I felt like it was fairly easy to see the game from her POV, even if I disagreed.

midwaybear -

his overall level of participation is kinda worrisome. Nacho had concerns about his Day 1 play. I think we gave him an early townread too easily.

Pisskop -

who the fuck knows?

Tier F:

PookyTheMagicalBear - in 2 sentences Day 1 10 in forwards thread and 100 in reverse thread. Day 2 not much effort at anything other than defending himself/discrediting people scumreading him.

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

yeah. data for the data gods.

[Dandelion Wine]

That timing tho

[Firebringer]

Like no fucking shit I've been cryptic this game.


IT HAS A FUCKING POINT.

I want to discuss the reasons behind my reads with people I rust not to turn around and post them in the scum discord in size 200 bold like "omg lel kill this thing because it's clearly the protective"

Clearly scum are not bothering to read to deeply into the crumbs and claims but if I discuss what we divined in the purple room it's essentially a massclaim roadmap.

I find it ironic ur mad that other people are annoyed at ur crypticness when u think its right play.

[Firebringer]

I too am annoyed with the Deacon/Dandelion/Annie cryptic circle jerk and would like it to stop

can i just quote this post every page.

[Deacon Blues]

@Deacon HP has had A50 as a null-or-lower read for p. much the whole game so I find it jarring and the timing a little convenient that he is now at the top of the "not scum" list

Skimming through their ISO I buy that the 'E' head of HP didn't really have A50 as a scum read and I find it more believable that this head could come to this conclusion

Maybe I'm too reactive to anyone reading A50 as town

Ok. I was trying to figure out the value to scum-Hench in near-instantly pivoting on the A50 read after turnstiling as either alignment.

[Firebringer]

Is Pooky enough of a consensus that you guys are just waiting for our side of things to come to a conclusion?

i think we waiting for u guys to elim first since yall complained heavy because we "rushed" a elim yesterday even though gme day had 5 days left and we were at 150 pages.

So u "civilized" folks can go first this time

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery you had better entertain me. The pidgeon drives the bus book got boring after the teeth straight run through.

It was definitely worth staying awake for.

wordsing a couple of those reads was a struggle. :/

[Dandelion Wine]

The good introspective kind of stuggle?


We both know your read of me had no issues.

[petapan]

Is Pooky enough of a consensus that you guys are just waiting for our side of things to come to a conclusion?

i think we waiting for u guys to elim first since yall complained heavy because we "rushed" a elim yesterday even though gme day had 5 days left and we were at 150 pages.

So u "civilized" folks can go first this time

p much this i'm sitting on my hands waiting for them to get their shit together