TENET - Game Over

[Hench Princesses]

Scorpia has been busy with the holidays, she hasn't seen anything since the 24th.

-E

[Bell]

Mm.
This is going to be a hard elimination day.

[Hench Princesses]

I don't feel great at flipping people without A50 here. I guess we'd flip in
Gyphx, you, Muffin, Titus?

what happened after here other than the implied self-hammer?

Also you have Brian as town?

Are you still thinking about Titus or do you agree that slot is town?

-E

[Bell]

Might take awhile.

I suggest you go back and try to resort gyphx and Titus some more with deeper questioning if you’re town.
I feel like you didn’t dig throughly enough.

On the other hand, i’m Busy and lazy and I should really be doing that myself.

[Bell]

Before you mentioned or Scorpio mentioned that you were auto clearing them I had already auto cleared them, then gone back and asked myself if I was being an idiot. You can see my posts making this point before you did...somewhere?

I just need to be looking more throughly, I don’t like me this dayphase.

[Hench Princesses]

lol are you for real

have you dug deeply enough into me? You think I protect Shelly, fight you on a TvT, hardblock Boon as town, solve you and annie as town despite you shittunneling town all day 1, and make 700 posts as scum

but you don't think I've thought about Titus enough. after day 1.

fuck off lmao

-E

[Bell]

*back pat*
Your ATE makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[Hench Princesses]

Before you mentioned or Scorpio mentioned that you were auto clearing them I had already auto cleared them, then gone back and asked myself if I was being an idiot. You can see my posts making this point before you did...somewhere?

I just need to be looking more throughly, I don’t like me this dayphase.

Titus? Who I tried to push twice day 1 to make her play this thread more and make her more readable?

I was second-guessing myself on her all of day 1, but rereading her intro and early game, I'm pretty sure this is just town titus. Scum titus does not push me because of the other thread's description of my play and solve skitter for scum for townreading me and then back off that push after interacting with my play. I mean maybe she does but I highly doubt it

-E

[Bell]

Well it does if you’re either possessive or manipulative.

You’re probably both.

[Bell]

Before you mentioned or Scorpio mentioned that you were auto clearing them I had already auto cleared them, then gone back and asked myself if I was being an idiot. You can see my posts making this point before you did...somewhere?

I just need to be looking more throughly, I don’t like me this dayphase.

This was referring to Brian btw.

[Hench Princesses]

Well it does if you’re either possessive or manipulative.

You’re probably both.

I mean I am manipulative, is that supposed to be bad

idk what you mean by possessive

-E

[Bell]

Like your identity is tied up in your work.

[Bell]

Didn't You warn me about that with shelly before she flipped.

[Bell]

There are manipulative town and manipulative scum.

I dunno which you are. I can only add it as a datapoint and try to connect the dots.

[Bell]

I feel like you and A50 have both used my mistunnel against me in an underhanded way.

Condescending scum are a dime a dozen. I’m sorry about misreading shelly.
But I don’t feel bad about it for the rest of you.
I did ask everyone to think for themselves.

[Hench Princesses]

Before you mentioned or Scorpio mentioned that you were auto clearing them I had already auto cleared them, then gone back and asked myself if I was being an idiot. You can see my posts making this point before you did...somewhere?

I just need to be looking more throughly, I don’t like me this dayphase.

This was referring to Brian btw.

ehhh

I thought brian was kinda scummy very early on because of how quickly he grappled onto sirius's mech discussion. But then that made sense to me because sirius's mech discussion was basically about his role.

After that he pretty much fell into normal brian patterns

honestly the first 43 posts of his iso could go either way, that's why I had him as null/poe through most of d1

Well, Pooky, I'd like you to know that I have like 7 reads that I think are pretty town and you're one of them.

And an additional one that I think could be town but they want to turnstile so may not be a problem.

And another one that may or may not be scum but they also want to turnstile so may not be a problem.

One slot that is/was being townread by players in the other thread but don't understand why based on what I've seen thus far.

And two slots that will probably get yeeted out of this game.

I'm nowhere near caught up in the other thread though.

this looks a bit townie

this also indicates why he wasn't more present and opposing pooky since he thought the turnstiles would be slots like spiffeh I guess?

I'm also not a fan of the something smart hydra.

solid anti-associative with S_S if S_S did end up flipping scum

Considering that we can launch two people, I want an appropriately sized offer in recompense.

It's a shame because I feel like we should be getting a lot more than just Annie considering we're giving them Spiffeh and PISSKOP.

all this stuff seemed pretty townie in terms of tone/vibe

Nacho, does LLD ever develop reads this quickly as town?

real questions

I'm honestly just there to drink the wine.

Green.

No idea. I don't drink wine.

this was kinda cringe in a scummy way but not enough to shift the overall pattern

Oh, is it too late to request Flavor Leaf?

town

I think Firebringer is town, but I always think Firebringer is town, and thus don't want him in my thread.

town

The extra public turnstile is supposed to be in my timestream. Idk if that's a mistake on Cakez' part or if scum tampered. Either way I'm going to sleep.

Spoiler:

dumb but does cakezzz mod error this if it's a scum ability? skip this point if you want

Get in my pocket Firebringer!

town or s/s but probably not s/t

Super tinfoily theory from me, but if our thread is trying to townblock, I think it would make sense for scum to either shut down sending a strong townread to our side or try to send one of their own instead.

a little scummy

This isn't a dig at HP, I'm just using them for context. Yes, HP was part of the discussion of making the plan, but I'm not really townreading anyone 'because of the plan' in particular. The posts from HP here, however, give me the impression that HP hadn't really thought it out that well, or if they did, not in a way that make me think 'OMG this must definitely have come from town.' Specifically because while yes, they acknowledge we can potentially clear an entire thread, they don't really push it as an option until Day 2 AFTER we get a scumflip, and by then it would be too late, especially if there were either 4 scum in that timeline, or scum went 3-3. If we waited until Day 2, scum could just refuse to turnstile and block us from full-clearing a thread.

Pooky, on the other hand, recognized the urgency of committing to the plan and moving on once we established which thread we were moving forward with. So I gave Pooky (and only Pooky) townpoints for it.

I gave Sirius townpoints for wanting to throw unwnd into a bin.

And I think I gave HP townpoints because I may have been feeling slight townvibes for their general demeanor around the setup spec, which I went back and wanted to reexplore because I saw Peta scumreading them and for whatever reason thought Deacon was too.

relatively townie

I expressed suspicions on LLD before Titus did.

I'm not an expert on LLD. I'm just suspicious of her play this game.

townie or s/s with lld

I'm not normally a townblocker.

But I'm definitely an opportunist.

townie

Oh no.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

The horror.

I agree that Brian has seemed to have forgotten/cogdis with some of his reads, and actually I think Titus is fair for wanting to push here not for this post but for related concerns; he was okay with Boon being sent over but now pretends that it's news that Boon is town. This could be a shitpost and not an issue but I get why some people still want to scumread him given a few weird trajectories

@HP Why do you think GX should be higher?

-I think his self-conscious observation that he wanted to try a new playstyle is more likely to be town
-I think his emphasis that he didn't want to give reads was likely to be town particularly combined with
-his re-evaluation of sirius who he initially took as town and then decided to reevaluate which does not match how I think scum would position around a force replaced player and
-the fakevig vibes me as townie, this may be dumb, but *particularly* the fast retraction when it was obvious it wasn't going to work
-forgetting he jokevoted me doesn't feel like how scum probably postures around a scum push

obviously this is not a super deep iso to analyze and his phone broke but he's been hitting a lot of points that feel really townie to me

I actually got the opposite impression on a lot of these points.

I also haven't seen anything that makes me think 'omg this slot is definitely town' or even 'i think this is something that is unlikely to be scum.'

Its a very meh slot to me overall and I'd launch it.

this feels like a real post to me

uhhh isodiving felt smart when I started writing this but there's a lot of shit that goes back and forth, I think the stuff that made me feel stronger on town were more on page 3 so I'm tempted to skip page 2 since I think people's eyes are likely to glaze over if I make this too long

-E

[Annie Edison]

Also, I really see nothing wrong with the paranoia on me from
Annie. He’s not wrong that I can’t read the bulge, though In this game were I scum
I would probably be insisting that bulge post so that I can ‘be sure’ or something stupid like that.

It’s notsci that has the issue and i can find games where you say you find me scummy normally but it’s a lot of effort

[Bell]

No, I remember them.
I said something roughly equivalent to it’s my natural inclination to think they’re scummy. So I try to adjust for that.

[Hench Princesses]

Like your identity is tied up in your work.

you mean mafia?

Didn't You warn me about that with shelly before she flipped.

I don't follow but probably

I feel like you and A50 have both used my mistunnel against me in an underhanded way.

Condescending scum are a dime a dozen. I’m sorry about misreading shelly.
But I don’t feel bad about it for the rest of you.
I did ask everyone to think for themselves.

I mean it's not just that I kinda think you should townread me. I actively tried to get you to solve Annie and to get Annie to produce readable content so that I would feel more confident she wasn't scum trying to warlock you. I tried to get better reasoning from the entire push, and where I ran into trouble was townreading you both when shelly stopped playing. And I don't really feel like I've been condescending, I just feel like if you stop trying to think of scum as playing 5D chess you'll stop getting paranoid about me. Like you already noticed my towntells, but then you second-guessed yourself because I continue to put myself out there, solving and engaging both threads... given I was pretty well positioned earlier in the day, why don't I at that point just... cool the brakes? idk, it feels weird that you're conflating me with everyone else here frankly. anyway

-E

[Bell]

I just, don’t think you’re scum this game and that's My inclination based on your posts and play. Maybe that means you’re scum and this is your scum game tho, lol.

[Bell]

That’s paranoid town bell tho.
I’m never sure if i’m Being taken for a ride from high efforting what do you mean i’m Being paranoid of you but not Annie what kind of double standard is this you ask? It’s my double standard.

[Annie Edison]

It’s a mixture of that and doing the same thing you’re doing with me :p (listening to the other side)

[Bell]

Not sure what you mean by everyone else given only you and A50 have tried to hammer me down with it.

[Hench Princesses]

lmao brian's page 3 is only one post

I'm going to pretend I realized that earlier though, before finding the townpings on page 2

I need to sleep and I'm going to be busy until late Sunday.

I'm going to give Gyx a chance to do things before I end Titus on my return.

I will say that I townread 100% of brian's posts on page 3 of his iso though!

-E

[Hench Princesses]

But I don’t feel bad about it for the rest of you.
I did ask everyone to think for themselves.

I was referring to this part