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[NoPowerOverMe]

He is also the least frequent poster.

[NoPowerOverMe]

This is going to be a long game if we have to do all 19, 035 frames.

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

I don't quite understand where this is coming from.

This is the first npom game we've had where I haven't wanted to meet him by this point.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: Trendl

What would you do for a Klondike bar?

I personally don't see much of a town Bloc.

These posts are a liittle worrisome to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the first and third?

[bugspray]

What I don't like about Bugspray is he doesn't have much to say about his wagon. I feel like there is more merit to it than he is acknowledging. I'd like him to be more vocal so we can read him.

Tbh I did merely vote him because he was less active but I haven’t seen anything from him or anyone else that changes my mind

My pronouns are they/them and I'm getting fucking sick of saying it

[Gamma Emerald]

My bad

[NoPowerOverMe]

It was not done in malice so maybe you could chill and say something about the game?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why the first and third?

They seem to lack a point.

[Gamma Emerald]

It was not done in malice so maybe you could chill and say something about the game?

bugs did have to deal with someone deliberately antagonizing them about their pronouns in another recent game
But I agree real content would be nice

Why the first and third?

They seem to lack a point.

Duly noted.

[bugspray]

@BugSpray

Would a heroic

Town!Bugspray

let a poor vulnerable town be eaten alive by bugs?!



I want to hear your thoughts on more players BugSpray. Help me out?

Basically I don't have any practical experience with lots of the slots and it's hard to read newbs because you can tell what posts of theirs are ai but figuring out which alignment they are is difficult

I am bug spray. If you look at my avatar you will see that it is spraying bugs. If bugs are eating a townie and they aren't mine then I would be forced to basically beat the shit out of the townie by swatting all of the bugs on them which is a pretty scary idea.

Going to look at the npom partner equities because I feel like there was two or three people other then npom saying "no please get off the wagon" and it can be easily that one of them was town and the other two/1 exist as partners

[Luca Blight]

Looking at partner equities on D1...that’s a good way to look busy without doing anything meaningful.

This is so far from Bugs’ Town game, and Bugs knows I know it.

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[Luca Blight]

im very scared of Luca because I can't read him and remember him rolling scum one time and believing he looked exactly like town!Luca and trying to elim me at any time is usually not very controversial (meta me if you're into that) and neither is wanting to elim lunar which makes me very

npim here is reminding me increasingly of town!formerfish

I’ve hard townread you every time you’ve been Town, including in the game I was scum, because when you’re Town you’re obviously Town. The only time I’ve previously SR you was when you were indeed scum, and you played in the same way you’re doing here.

[Luca Blight]

And note that 462 is the only time Bugs has mentioned Lunar at all this game, and it’s to make a light defence of them.

Consider Bugs’ position here; Lunar’s wagon is competing with their own, and yet Bugs seems reluctant to even acknowledge it despite seemingly having doubts over NPOM being scum. This suggests some agenda; the two that make the most sense being 1) they are partners, 2) Bugs doesn’t want to turn a friend into a foe. I’m leaning towards the former possibility.

[Luca Blight]

I read one of Amélie's posts and just sort of found it concerning at face value but it reads a lot like newb!town

I just realised you avoided my question about this.

What post of Amelie’s are you talking about here?

[Luca Blight]

I think the above quote about Amelie was Bugs’ way of paving their exit from that wagon. It was an opinion that had already been stated by others, and I feel as though if Bugs were genuine they would have just quoted the post they were talking about, given how apparently significant it was in changing their read on Amelie. It just feels fabricated, but we’ll see what Bugs has to say about it.

Bugs hadn’t said anything negative about NPOM at this point, but when the NPOM wagon gained momentum my immediate thought was ‘it’s only a matter of time before Bugs jumps on this’, and sure enough:

I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

this is a blatant misrep I've had plenty of things to say about her I'm even on her wagon although taking a closer look even if she's saying nonsense I don't see it coming from newb!scum in terms of the apparent effort
VOTE: npom
Also the way you quoted gamma's post about how Amélie is jealous of the townbloc and scum is trying to push it's way in seems to me a lot like scum projecting from insure the "townbloc" in order to not be suspected

The first point is so weak that it looks just like an excuse to hop on the wagon. Even if NPOM wasn’t quite correct in what he said, it doesn’t make him scum; why not consider he might have simply been mistaken?

The second part is also weak because it’s baseless. It’s a possibility Bugs could be right, perhaps, but there’s literally nothing to say that’s the case. It’s just as possible NPOM is correct in saying Amelie is jealous of the townbloc. Scum would at least have a clear motive in undermining a townbloc, if it’s pure.

[Luca Blight]

Not only that, but Bugs then realized they were wrong and NPOM didn’t actually quote Gamma’s point about Amelie and the townbloc, and yet they just are like ‘I misremembered but....that’s four votes now’.

A big part of your foundation for SR’ing NPOM was based on a misremembering, so surely the natural thing to do here would be to step back and reassess?

. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

Another good reason to town block active players is that if one of them is night killed then that would give credence that most of them are town.

In effect it limits scums options

Huh looks like I misremembered him quoting this gamma post but

My vote puts npom at 4 votes

Also, why isn’t Bugs suspecting Gamma for the same reasoning? They mistakenly SR NPOM for quoting Gamma’s point about Amelie possibly trying to get their foot in the door of the townbloc, so why would you not suspect Gamma for actually making the point?

[Amélie]

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

New scum read. Not sure how to explain it so I'll try to later.
NoPowerOverMe is town if Momrangal is scum because this looks like pocketing.

[Amélie]

VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

Really dislike this right here.

There’s no reason or analysis behind any of your points.

What happened to Gamma or I being scum?

Why do you prefer a Trendall elim to Bugs? Do you TR Bugs?

I thought either you or Gamma was scum based on the way you both were trying to paint bugspray as scum for really odd reasons. Now I'm thinking you are scum and just latching onto Gamma's strange push.

I don't really know if bugs is Town, but I don't think Trendall is aorn. I still don't understand why people are voting bugs and no one has even attempted to explain it afaict.

Your last line is ironic. I’ve explained my Bugs SR way more than you’ve explained anything this game.

I said I’ve had success reading Bugs as both alignments in the past, and I can see based on their behavior this game, and for the reasons I outlined, that they are clearly scum!Bugs this game. Bugs themselves didn’t challenge my reasoning regarding this, so who are you to imply it isn’t valid?

It seems to me that all your reads have an agenda behind them; you’re not sorting in a natural way.

"I'm not scum. You are!"
My scum read on Luca definitely stands.

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

I’m surprised you don’t think the intensity of the NPOM wagon could be due to the fact that scum have been heavily wagoned themselves. To me it looks like a deliberate counter-wagon.

I quoted the wrong thing. But see the momrangal quote inside. It is really nasty if you ask me.

That is an interesting prospect, but not one I’m sure is worth fully entertaining rn. I myself have a hit-or-miss radar when it comes to wagonomics, but I’ll offer that I feel like I’m starting to hit more than miss these days.

Starting to dislike gamma. Im about to swap Gamma and NoPowerOverMe.

Gamma is the one i think i trust least out of that group. He's challenging to get a read on in general.

I do agree with this currently. I'll be lifting this to a null for a while.

I could see replacing Galron with Amelie if the rest of the bloc is up to it.

Didn't you think I was scum just like one day ago?

[Amélie]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

[Luca Blight]

There’s no reason or analysis behind any of your points.

What happened to Gamma or I being scum?

Why do you prefer a Trendall elim to Bugs? Do you TR Bugs?

I thought either you or Gamma was scum based on the way you both were trying to paint bugspray as scum for really odd reasons. Now I'm thinking you are scum and just latching onto Gamma's strange push.

I don't really know if bugs is Town, but I don't think Trendall is aorn. I still don't understand why people are voting bugs and no one has even attempted to explain it afaict.

Your last line is ironic. I’ve explained my Bugs SR way more than you’ve explained anything this game.

I said I’ve had success reading Bugs as both alignments in the past, and I can see based on their behavior this game, and for the reasons I outlined, that they are clearly scum!Bugs this game. Bugs themselves didn’t challenge my reasoning regarding this, so who are you to imply it isn’t valid?

It seems to me that all your reads have an agenda behind them; you’re not sorting in a natural way.

"I'm not scum. You are!"
My scum read on Luca definitely stands.

That’s a very disingenuous way of portraying it. Have you even read the context you just quoted?

[Luca Blight]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

[Amélie]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

I'm fine with moving that to null. I don't really have a strong read on them anyways.

[Momrangal]

Because no-one is particularly pushing the Trendall wagon, and there are three more popular wagons on the table, two of which I think are pretty obviously better eliminations. I’m perhaps biased about Bugs due to meta, but I don’t get why you’d want Trendall eliminated over Lunar who just seems objectively scummy; just popping in every now and then, steering things in a certain direction with no follow-up, no train of thought, no explanation and while repeatedly avoiding questions.

Trendall is doing the same thing, but is being smarter about it. He hasn't actually done anything worth of anything until most recently when people started giving him attention.

Lunar and bugs just don't seem to care, their play is unchanged, unaffected no matter how much people are suspecting them. How they are playing seems NAI, I would be more interested in the person who is actually being reactive to things

Gamma, Frog, Grendel, amelie all expressed concerns over Trendall. Should they all move their vote there, he'll be at L-2

Gamma, NPOM, bug, Grendel, Luca I recall all had things to say about OWER. All votes being moved there puts him at L-1

So...?

Ifs and buts. These votes aren’t magically going to happen; I could make the same case that most of these players have expressed doubts about either Bugs/Lunar, who are both a lot closer to elimination.

Ok, that is a fair point

-snip-

So you’d rather vote Outworld with your biggest SR rather than Bugs/Lunar?

What am I missing here? Why is Outworld a better elimination than Bugs/Lunar, and how do you read them?

Bugs and Lunar are playing NAI and as far as bugs goes, I'm seeing two different meta reports on him which make me further beleive his play here is NAI. OWER is scum here, and I think he is playing opportunistically. He's playing with IIOA, and not only is he not contributing to the game state (still) his only interest in the gsme seems to be throwing shade and pretending to sort people by asking people why they scum read him.

He's trying to look like he's playing a pro-town game but he isnt

I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

Come do OWER with me then?

I'm still with him and trendall being my top two

VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

The cart coming before the horse on this kinda bugs me
Why does it feel like you are testing the waters on voting OWER, mom?

It should feel like that because I have been doing questionable things all day trying to get people react.

Like voting NPOM after saying he was town several times

But OWER is a legitimate scum read here and trendall could be playing with me here

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

I'm fine with moving that to null. I don't really have a strong read on them anyways.

[Lunar Martian]

This NPOM wagon is awful.

I agree with this, but I'm curious to why you think trendall isn't getting lynched. There are multiple people who have expressed that slot being likely scum and next to OWER.

There are also multiple slots expressing concern over OWER, but instead the consensus seems to be nerfing the loudest voice in the game. I'm not joining the NPOM wagon, and I could drop a vote on either but I would much rather drop scum over town.

Because no-one is particularly pushing the Trendall wagon, and there are three more popular wagons on the table, two of which I think are pretty obviously better eliminations. I’m perhaps biased about Bugs due to meta, but I don’t get why you’d want Trendall eliminated over Lunar who just seems objectively scummy; just popping in every now and then, steering things in a certain direction with no follow-up, no train of thought, no explanation and while repeatedly avoiding questions.

Since you know me better than anyone else in this game you should know that that's not because I'm mafia, but just because I've been busy. The fact that you're trying to paint it as me being Mafia tells me you're being disingenuous.

VOTE: Luca

[Momrangal]

We have 6 days? Why are we compromising?

We have a few popular wagons, it’s time for people to make meaningful decisions. There’s no point sitting on a Trendall wagon that’s never going going anywhere, unless you or Grendel feel like really going to work on it which doesn’t seem forthcoming. Just because we have 6 days doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have a sense of urgency about what we’re doing.

This is also a fair point.

I don't see play that could be NAI as meaningful though