Yellowstone

[MathBlade]

Is likely VT* they rolecopped vanilla

[Noraa]

what is ninja?

Ninja means it acts but is invisible to watches and tracks. I suspect you knew that though.

this a modifier?
no I don't know of it and haven't ever seen such a role/modifier before.

[Momrangal]

This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you play that game as scum

[Noraa]

This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you play that game as scum

You must think very poorly of my scum game to think that I would ever be USR like this as scum.

[MathBlade]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ninja

I linked the wiki.

If you’re town please use it. It answers a lot of stuff that’s come up

[MathBlade]

I am going to go play Cyberpunk now but I really think y’all are laying it on thick.

[Noraa]

Ok so y'all think I'm a ninja that did the nk last night?

Theres some problems with that.
1) it can be RBed and unless I remembered wrong, I am and have always been DGB's biggest SR. As for why that RB wasn't on me, beats me I dunno.
2) it can be copped. yesterday I was basically asking to be copped so I could be conftown. Sure u can call it lamist but if a cop actually checked me, I'd be doomed if I were scum, right? Unless yaal think I'm an Ascetic Ninja which if u do, ur confbiasing like fuck.
3) it can be rolecopped. It won't come up as vanilla. I claimed vt. I wouldn't be that dumb as scum.

[Noraa]

I read the wiki.

[Noraa]

I mean masons with roles claimed day 1. Town's already pretty overpowered just based on that. I could've claimed ninja bc its negative utility and the role would fit right in right?
Im terrible at setup spec but I think that's how it works.

[Noraa]

My point is there's too much that doesn't fit bc I claimed vt and constantly drew attention to myself. If I were scums most valuable player, I wouldn't behave that way.

[Noraa]

also if I did a nk last night, it would've went thru and we'd have a double kill right?
DGB blocked Guillo. Not me.

[Infinity 324]

Noraa, I'm gonna slow down my posting and you can solve ok?

[Marky Mark]

DGB is sus for roleblocking a claimed camper
Vax is sus for not claiming PGO before EoD1 and for bluffing about the mod mistake

There's been a lot of this sort of thing today and I'm just trying to get my head around whether G is stretching or just got the wrong end of the stick

If DGB was scum (and yeah, bussing Pig does make sense I guess) then they wouldn't necessarily have to be a roleblocker right? They could've just no killed and claimed the guilty

[Marky Mark]

I've been mulling this over.

I really want to hear Vax's explanation for not claiming D1 as per the wiki but I'm starting to swing round to thinking an elim on G could be the right call here. Scum not NKing either a mason+ or a RB here just seems v sub-optimal and while this could ofc be done to frame G, Ockham's razor would just suggest that most plausible COA was that he was taking the factional kill that night and was blocked

@All - Please come back at me on this -> this is the most complex game I have played in terms of PR interactions and setup speculation so I fully appreciate that my logic may not be watertight

[Noraa]

Noraa, I'm gonna slow down my posting and you can solve ok?

ur not even the biggest trash post provider in this game anyways.

[Marky Mark]

There has been a fair bit of flame and moral self-righteousness over the last couple of days, it must be said

[Noraa]

this game is 50% trash posts from the masons
40% king guillo
10% actual content

[Marky Mark]

My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon

How do you explain the single kill last night then, given the PGO? Are you thinking that scum no-killed here to frame G? Seems odd to turn down a free kill on a mason+ just to maaaaybe frame someone

[Noraa]

I wish I was a vig

[Noraa]

I'd shoot half this plist and then talk.

[MathBlade]

My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon

How do you explain the single kill last night then, given the PGO? Are you thinking that scum no-killed here to frame G? Seems odd to turn down a free kill on a mason+ just to maaaaybe frame someone

I think scum either submitted a kill on Flea or someone is protective lying.

[Noraa]

why would scum submit a kill on flea if vax is town? you do think vax is town, right?

[Marky Mark]

I mean voting DGB is the hero play here and it is absolutely possible that they bussed pig and are framing G.

The D2 PGO claim from Vax here does not sit well with me at all and is v scummy in isolation

But thinking about it, in terms of wider PR interactions, it seems v off that scum wouldn't bank a kill on a mason+, so VOTE: Guillo and let's go from there. If they flip scum then great. If they flip town then we can look at Vax and/or DGB (I appreciate I am doing a Math here by chaining slots)

I am probably ok with scum cross killing or no-killing here for shennanigans if it keeps our TPRs around for a sustained period to investigate more of the plist

--pedit @Math thanks for the explanation. I'm not protective, you know G isn't from your vanilla result and infin has claimed they are not, so fairly limited places any protective could be in, but would probs be worth claiming I guess IF AND ONLY IF we have intent to hammer G as it might provide another explanation for events that would mean we would need to re-evaluate

--pedit 2: If vax is town then scum submiting kill on flea is functionally the same as no-killing I guess

[Noraa]

If scum see that a townie has claimed PGO and town has told another townie to target the pgo, this is a good opportunity for them to get a double pr kill. why tf would they nk flea?

[Marky Mark]

If scum see that a townie has claimed PGO and town has told another townie to target the pgo, this is a good opportunity for them to get a double pr kill. why tf would they nk flea?

This. Even if they can manipulate the following day to frame someone from it, they are effectively giving the town an extra PR use