Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Ahsoka]

as of post 260 u thought i was town. what since post 260 pinged u as scum.

My reads can change. I saw you as townie after one post, but that was yesterday.

I reanalyzed, and I think scum are on my wagon from earlier.

[Ahsoka]

It's you or Clidd. What's your read on Clidd?

[DkKoba]

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

[DkKoba]

i have a tinfoil that clidd is a deepwolf. with 3 scum slots to fill he does fit into a 3rd scum player trying to play the "towny" scum role.

[DkKoba]

gimli basically is approaching my slot in the worst faith possible, and anyone who is skeptical of me = towny.

thats how u can sum up their reading process.

this isnt how town approaches reads.
this is how scum discredits.


as soon as clidd pointed out that this is NAI for me > pivoted off.

this implies clidd is not aligned with gimli(like 50% sure, but gun to head would bet on not teammates rn)

clidd, as someone who plays at tables with myself in every game I play, I know that that is exactly what scum does in relation to my slot very often when they do not know me. Those that know me will more often attempt to pocket me as that's my weakness, or something in between if they're especially smart(pooky from coalition a few months ago comes to mind).

im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit, not some NAI garbage like a townslip. Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too). Basically, even if I were scum here, I would have posted nearly the same exact thing. But it could have been slightly different depending on partners. If you really care about sorting me i have games where I show that lines like this are NAI, just read my history lmfao. I won't ever push meta that says im outside my scumrange, but I will push meta that what you're pushing is fully NAI.


anyways self meta over -

gimli have you considered its RVS and that people who know eachother and have played with eachother are liklier to have implicit bias towards eachother? I tend to push people early who annoy me or who i dislike. It's easier and more natural for me. I don't tunnel them forever unless I genuinely scumread them. This is probably also true of raya wrt the lighter tone towards me - we've played together and i've played in a game she's modded. We're chill and don't wanna go at eachothers throats like that.

I will say the ashoka vote isn't bad, that entrance is pretty flimsy. I'd rather figure out if this is just playstyle > scum being unsure and playing aloof. but lets play with it VOTE: ashoka

im sorry but what was scum abt my vote LMFAO

[DkKoba]

im going to tab out of thread b4 i say something forcereplacable.

[Ahsoka]

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

Players can't do that here or I would destroy them as scum, though.

Scum players are probably just stronger here, because Day 1 I can fake anything. I hate saying it because it'll always have me to look scummier, but it's true.

Looks like you have a lot to learn still.

[Ahsoka]

im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit, not some NAI garbage like a townslip. Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too).

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

contradiction.

[DkKoba]

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

Players can't do that here or I would destroy them as scum, though.

Scum players are probably just stronger here, because Day 1 I can fake anything. I hate saying it because it'll always have me to look scummier, but it's true.

Looks like you have a lot to learn still.

i have a lot to learn still but im not wrong when i say ppl actively SCUMREAD townslips. like its kinda just like ??? sorry i cant be arsed to read the setup fully and remember it when i sign up for 4235 games in a month. i /in to a game and forget about it.

[Ahsoka]

gimli basically is approaching my slot in the worst faith possible, and anyone who is skeptical of me = towny.

thats how u can sum up their reading process.

this isnt how town approaches reads.
this is how scum discredits.


as soon as clidd pointed out that this is NAI for me > pivoted off.

this implies clidd is not aligned with gimli(like 50% sure, but gun to head would bet on not teammates rn)

clidd, as someone who plays at tables with myself in every game I play, I know that that is exactly what scum does in relation to my slot very often when they do not know me. Those that know me will more often attempt to pocket me as that's my weakness, or something in between if they're especially smart(pooky from coalition a few months ago comes to mind).

im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit, not some NAI garbage like a townslip. Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too). Basically, even if I were scum here, I would have posted nearly the same exact thing. But it could have been slightly different depending on partners. If you really care about sorting me i have games where I show that lines like this are NAI, just read my history lmfao. I won't ever push meta that says im outside my scumrange, but I will push meta that what you're pushing is fully NAI.


anyways self meta over -

gimli have you considered its RVS and that people who know eachother and have played with eachother are liklier to have implicit bias towards eachother? I tend to push people early who annoy me or who i dislike. It's easier and more natural for me. I don't tunnel them forever unless I genuinely scumread them. This is probably also true of raya wrt the lighter tone towards me - we've played together and i've played in a game she's modded. We're chill and don't wanna go at eachothers throats like that.

I will say the ashoka vote isn't bad, that entrance is pretty flimsy. I'd rather figure out if this is just playstyle > scum being unsure and playing aloof. but lets play with it VOTE: ashoka

im sorry but what was scum abt my vote LMFAO

I really don't care for the reasonings behind people's votes. Reasonings are easy to make up.

I'm not basing the scum read strictly on your posts.

I have had 4 people on me. At least 1 is scum, full stop.

Both Clidd and you have been trying to keep momentum on me, and discredit me, while Gimli turned everything around, and explained why instead he town read me, which I thought was townie.

I also can see you moving away after another scum member, Radja, joins, and then you trying to distance.

So now I see Dkk/Radja possibilities more.

[DkKoba]

im a bit of a self aware player. I know what's scummy. I know whats towny. I know whats NAI. If you think you have caught me being scummy it better be because my reads are horseshit,

not some NAI garbage like a townslip.

Can I fake them? Yeah. But the reason I do is because i genuinely make them regularly as town(and sometimes i fake them as town too).

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol.

or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

contradiction.

not really.
bolded the lack of contradiction for you.

[DkKoba]

ok if its radja then vote them with me. lets get the bus moving.

[Ahsoka]

i mean yes its bad because everytime i see someone townslip, or i genuinely townslip, town players immediately go "zomg they faked it!" wheras when i play on other sites where town has higher average skill they give it benefit of the doubt and evaluate it as town or scum slip and usually accurately lol. or at least shelve it bc its the normal reaction.

Players can't do that here or I would destroy them as scum, though.

Scum players are probably just stronger here, because Day 1 I can fake anything. I hate saying it because it'll always have me to look scummier, but it's true.

Looks like you have a lot to learn still.

i have a lot to learn still but im not wrong when i say ppl actively SCUMREAD townslips. like its kinda just like ??? sorry i cant be arsed to read the setup fully and remember it when i sign up for 4235 games in a month. i /in to a game and forget about it.

I have never seen anyone be faded for a fake town slip if they weren't already being pressured.

[Ahsoka]

ok if its radja then vote them with me. lets get the bus moving.

It is moving. They have 3 out of 5 votes on them. Why are you in a rush to end the day?

[Ahsoka]

I'm not done going over the game, and interacting with players.

[DkKoba]

ok ill be honest i said that bc im just annoyed ur calling me scum with them now considering my position on them right now. guess just wanna just show like "yeah fuck you im serious about this lim"

[Ahsoka]

If anything, I'm trying to slow the game down. Scum like to keep the game fast paced because it gives more of a frantic feeling, and townies make unsure votes in the midst of that.

You trying to "make something happen" is essentially ending the day, and I'm not sure if I want that right now, especially not from a slot I think has a more than average chance of flipping scum.

[DkKoba]

thats fair enough. sorry.

[DkKoba]

i agree with that sentiment, i let my emotion get the best of me. scum do indeed try to rush shit.

[Ahsoka]

ok ill be honest i said that bc im just annoyed ur calling me scum with them now considering my position on them right now. guess just wanna just show like "yeah fuck you im serious about this lim"

Why are you trying to act like scum can't be serious about a fade.

[DkKoba]

im not :/

[Ahsoka]

Someone said this game they think it's strong for scum not to bus in this game, and I thought that at first as well, but the more I thought about it, the inverse is actually decently true as well.

I thought about the List mechanic more, and if scum are bussed Day 1, it can be increasingly difficult moving forward for town.

Whether or not scum would do the inverse because it can get them town cred is the question, but I do feel like you fit that slot as scum.

[DkKoba]

any reason u cant townread me here?

[Ahsoka]

any reason u cant townread me here?

No real reason for me to see why you can't be scum here, especially considering I feel you're trying to discredit me multiple times this game. You can be town, it's about a coin flip percentage for me right now, which is pretty high.

[Ahsoka]

you have done some things I can see as townie, but not out of your scum range, I would imagine, I see a lot of scum motivated agenda stuff as well, which is most of the stuff I've posted on.

I will town case and scum case the same person because scum does townie things. They just do. They have to look townie, but pushing a scum agenda alongside that is necessary for scum, so having townie things doesn't make someone town 100%.