Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I don't have a real established scumread yet and I want to stretch this gameday as long as possible until I figure things out.

Maybe lostego's catchup was towny. There are a few small hints in that direction like his progression on ahsoka that seems organic. also... maybe horsewoman's apathy is something many townsplayers are sharing in common in this game, which is a shame and that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Yeah ok I think lostego is town.

[DkKoba]

i got a good PoE but i wanna keep it to myself and focus on the 1 scumread im locked onto so scum cant manip their list based on the reads i have

[Not_Mafia]

Scum elim day 1 kinda breaks open this set-up for town so let's elim Radja please

[Ahsoka]

ashoka has a bad read but that doesnt make them scum. interaction with koba and argument seems tvt

Nope. Not a bad read, different perspective.

Don’t do this, this is weak town play or scum motivated.

[Ahsoka]

Lostego entry weak for me.

Extremely political reads

[Ahsoka]

VOTE: Lostego

[Raya36]

Eh, there wasn't much that seemed like it could have been pocketing you from my pov plus I like her catchup too.

I disagree.

Then what seemed like pocketing to you?

I'll take a closer look at the Ahsoka/Koba interaction later when I'm less tired.

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison, but not impossible.

Why not mention the first scenario of a miselim?

If that game is over, was Gimli scum in that game? Just trying to understand what you mean about the quantity of reads/analysis.

I was scum if she didn't answer already. Her read on me in this game (worse posting as town indicative) is one of the reasons I'm strong townreading horsewoman here. Seems like the right kind of read to make anyway.

Thanks, in that case the logic is sound and I was already town leaning assuming that post made sense.

[Raya36]

I'll do some more actual analysis tonight

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Lostego entry weak for me.

Extremely political reads

can you expand on this? I'm having the most difficult time with my volxen/lostego read and while I get in general why you found his catch up scummy, it's not enough to grasp your perspective. lostego being scum fits with how I'm looking at the game and at what direction I think the scum are pointed but their posts, as you said, can be attributed to town who is playing a lazy game which makes sense with how the thread developed.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison,
but not impossible.

I think this deserves to be quoted.

I don't think that's the case, but if my impression of radja is wrong and he is scum, I believe that the second vote could be a buss, actually, even the first is possible, keeping in mind that Radja theoretically got more scummy over time. But this scenario is meh, I'm giving it less than a 30% chance.

when you say less than 30%, is that less than 30% of the times when radja is scum, or less than 30% in general?

also you could be right about this. The way I'm looking at the game, you're either scum or you've townread scum with very slim reasoning, to the point of e.g. the volxen/you relationship in thread looking like you were either TMI townreading town volxen or townreading a scum partner. The same kind of applies to radja, who I'm probably null on at this point, and there's like 4 people acting like they know what's up when he did nothing to justify it either way. if I'm right and ahsoka, raya and horsewoman are all town, then I think it's possible scum is happily bussing and letting you eat rope for it afterwards. also I just noticed I'm only now starting to consider seriously that lostego could be scum and you could be town and not scum with him. the same sort of situation applies to most people in the POE, it's really amazing how weak your relationships with my POE are. but man if you're town I wanna be able to sort this out cause you're showing your reasoning a lot and I'm supposed to.

sorry for the big post everyone, I'm off for the day

[Gimli son of Glóin]

VOTE: lostego

[Gimli son of Glóin]

anyone who quotes #426 is on my blacklist

[Lostego]

Lostego entry weak for me.

Extremely political reads

this is an invalid take

[Lostego]

VOTE: Horsewoman

gimil you should like this vote. no reason to jump onto radja right now his death is already in pending.

I don't. my townpool is <ahsoka, raya, horsewoman>. my vote is just there because I didn't move it.

if im reading your posts wrong, your read on horsewoman is prior experience exclusively no?

[Lostego]

I town read Gimli and Horsewoman, and to a lesser extent, Raya. In what world would I see that, and the way you've been discrediting me here, and think you're automatically town?

what are you hiding?

I don't wanna interfere with your line of questioning but what are you seeing here?

very direct townreads on players despite little interaction and no prior commitment. majority of ahsoka's posts are either immutable stances about oneself or suspicion of koba despite their posting count and to some extent style, being nearly identical

[Lostego]

sure koba has ~20 more posts but the mindset reads similar to me; reactive.

i dont understand why you think horsewoman is town gimil, their last pop-in was an affront at best, and their one post that could be deemed content somehow exasperated their energy which i find hard to believe.

[Lostego]

what should be asked is if the consensus aligns with town being on the right track or not.

OK this was ignored by about 3-4 people so i think scum is not interested in this wagon at all which makes it officially bad. when you have a near-consensus the best thing for scum to do is either insinuate that it's the right move or instill a sense of disbelief (if its wrong) for towncred. i am no longer supporting radja

[Lostego]

and like that im caught up

dont kill: koba raya ahsoka
unsure: clidd, horsewoman
could kill: gimil, not_mafia
kill now: radja

misinterpreted this fight without reading thinking koba was a leading wagon. radja being the main wagon is alright.

these reads were never set it stone. they were made at 4 am and then i got some sleep, had some coffee. did things that gave me some time to think about them.

updated

dont kill: koba raya
unsure: clidd, ahsoka, radja,
could kill: gimil, horsewoman, not_mafia
kill now:

nobody needs to die right now until people stop being awkward. not_mafia's posts continue to get worse the more he makes them. yes radja hasn't really posted since but there are other topics than just killing radja and he made himself clear about 10 pages ago. ahsoka why did you stop pressuring koba and go onto me when you had them completely locked down? that jump makes zero sense.

[DkKoba]

Yeah ok I think lostego is town.

VOTE: lostego

anyone who quotes #426 is on my blacklist

dont care

wheres the progression here

[clidd]

Thanks for the replies to my 322, Gimli. Your opinions are super transparent and I appreciate that.

I believe that my towngame has been losing strength over time recently, while my scumgame has been getting stronger. I think that my reasoning as town is very abstract, sometimes contradictory and even disconnected with a plausible logical progression, because I try to genuinely convey what I am thinking and it does not always come in the proper order or it is not always represented in a organic way. As a scum, my posts are previously created in a way that is understandable to readers and less ambitious in my assumptions, as I try to follow a timeline to avoid inconsistencies about what I am dissimulating. Another point, as town, is that I like to assess who is suspecting me and I tend to have a townread on players who suspect me as long as I can see good faith in the reasons being used against me.

Example of reasoning scum!me:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11841373

Example of reasoning town!me:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12395161

Example with me townreading someone who is scumreading me (town!me)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12392993

[clidd]

The dynamics between Ahsoka and DK improved my perception of Ahsoka and the impression she had on Lostego were in line with the impression I had.

Although I don't necessarily agree with the assumptions about the votes in which she was seeing, the way Ahsoka described her posts, even though she's FL (someone adept at manipulation), seemed sincere.

It is not really a towntell, but these are good townpings that I'm ok to materialize in a tl.

[clidd]

DK is very weak in this game and I'm leaning scum on them, unfortunately.

[DkKoba]

DK is very weak in this game and I'm leaning scum on them, unfortunately.

weak how?

[clidd]

Lostego is making me rethink my read on Volxen, I need to go back and reevaluate what I was seeing on him.