TENET - Game Over

[Brian Skies]

Let me rephrase that.

I understand why you'd have that worry. I think her overall play (especially this Day Phase) is concerning enough that I don't think it's a very good reason to take her off the table or assume she's outside of her scum range.

I also feel like that comment has more to do with her overall playstyle change and not so much her play here.

[Hench Princesses]

alright, that's fair

do you have strong reads of lld and fire?

-E

[Hench Princesses]

I will observe that if I am right on the reasons for pisskop being town, his play this game constitutes grounds for a forcereplace. Not discussing this further but putting it down anyway.

-E

[Brian Skies]

I think fire is probably town just based on some of his interactions with me. And because he's showing signs of frustration this game that just feel townish to me.

I was leaning scum on LLD early on. I still don't think her throwing out all those reads like she did was natural (but if someone knows if this is something she does as town, then it just becomes very meh to me). I didn't really like her push against Owl thinking he was new and I still think it's probably more likely she did that because we already all saw her do it as town to unwnd in Xenoblade 2 last game (except, like I said earlier, unwnd's join date at least gives the impression he's a newer player). Her fake Dayvig on Day 2 is really weird as well, and I've mostly paused on it because Gyx faked one on Day 1 and I highly doubted they were both scum because of it.

[Hench Princesses]

I need to find this dayvig but I cannot imagine what about it would possibly make her town

-E

[Brian Skies]

I need to go to the bert caves. Urgently.

The hole in one in four might be Peta.

And my theory about the combo pizza on that same page is now fact in evidence.

Chicken respite for now, this might be tofu after all, rejoice, spiffeh.

yeah honestly I'm done playing with this and with you.

Shoot one, vote the other. One scum in you and deacon every time.

Unloop: Dandelion Wine

Die. Just... die.

This was the beginning of that 'dayvig' thing LLD decided to run with.

[Annie Edison]

Hm.

I do agree the readflip in you is sketchy, and there’s a lot of mention of moon logic but I’m hard pressed to remember actual moon logic?

Mmm

[Hench Princesses]

that dayvig shit isn't even kinda town, did people actually townread her for that?

-E

[Titus]

Twenty pages in a day and a half, cmon guys.

[Annie Edison]

I liked that she’s doing things and there’s some fire behind her? But no I hated the dayvig and I hate the scumread on ffery

[Titus]

the thing is that without extra turnstiles, you realize that almost all of town's power is unable to be used? and idk why scum would be given a power that's +town EV

Says who? I

likely

get

negative utility

if I get turnstyled. Sure, I bet some get positive utility (but nothing to invests) but it's flat out null.

BS's role is not positive town utility given we decided this thread is the thread that's supposed to be scum free. All his role did is accellerate removing the less charismatic scum out.

Why didn't we eliminate pisskop and turnstyle shellyc? Because scum are using the turnstyle mechanic to rescue scum.

So tell me again how BS's ability is protown?

[Hench Princesses]

At this point I am convinced HP just has things prewritten without actually reading shit.

Like if anyone really thought HP went into that interaction looking for things instead of just going "lul LLD scum" you are deluding yourself.

flip skitter for me and I'll give you a daypass champ

-E

[Titus]

*nothing to invests is supposed to modify my negative utility possibility

[Hench Princesses]

BS's role is not positive town utility given we decided this thread is the thread that's supposed to be scum free. All his role did is accellerate removing the less charismatic scum out.

Why didn't we eliminate pisskop and turnstyle shellyc? Because scum are using the turnstyle mechanic to rescue scum.

So tell me again how BS's ability is protown?

uhm that we fucked up the use of it does not mean the ability in itself was not *designed* to be pro-town

this is what I meant by the setup being quasi-bastard, in that the mod gave town powerful tools while misleading them on how to use it (note this is not actually bastard, and it is hard for mods to actually anticipate how towns will THINK mech is supposed to be played so I'm not really trying to dig at cakezzz here)

-E

[Titus]

At this point my lim pool is {HP, Muffin, Brian}

That's a good lim pool.

[Hench Princesses]

At this point my lim pool is {HP, Muffin, Brian}

That's a good lim pool.

this is a bad post

-E

[Hench Princesses]

in the sense that expressing confidence in a lim pool when you're catching up on 500 posts seems pretty bad

[Titus]

BS's role is not positive town utility given we decided this thread is the thread that's supposed to be scum free. All his role did is accellerate removing the less charismatic scum out.

Why didn't we eliminate pisskop and turnstyle shellyc? Because scum are using the turnstyle mechanic to rescue scum.

So tell me again how BS's ability is protown?

uhm that we fucked up the use of it does not mean the ability in itself was not *designed* to be pro-town

this is what I meant by the setup being quasi-bastard, in that the mod gave town powerful tools while misleading them on how to use it (note this is not actually bastard, and it is hard for mods to actually anticipate how towns will THINK mech is supposed to be played so I'm not really trying to dig at cakezzz here)

-E

Again, the turnstyle mechanic as a whole could be argued as swingy at best. Whomever has more influence regarding the turnstyle gets more people protected.

BS just times the turnstyle revelation when his buddy is about to be eliminated. So instead he gets turnstyled. Pro scum.

[Titus]

in the sense that expressing confidence in a lim pool when you're catching up on 500 posts seems pretty bad

Why? It shows where my reads are at at that point in my catchup. What's wrong with that?

[Brian Skies]

BS just times the turnstyle revelation when his buddy is about to be eliminated. So instead he gets turnstyled. Pro scum.

Except I never actually voted to turnstile Pisskop (although I did vote him when he refused to turnstile)?

[Annie Edison]

Maybe it’s bias, lld. I’ve always been good at reading her and feel like she’s fairly obvious when she’s town? But I can’t expect the same of others I guess

Idk.

[Brian Skies]

I'm still waiting for Titus to say something that isn't outright bullshit. Also getting tired of calling her out on it and think people should just sheep me.

[Hench Princesses]

in the sense that expressing confidence in a lim pool when you're catching up on 500 posts seems pretty bad

Why? It shows where my reads are at at that point in my catchup. What's wrong with that?

it seems like something scum would easily fake overconfidence in and doesn't help me solve you at all

-E

[Brian Skies]

It seems like Titus scumreads Brian and Brian scumreads Titus.

Instead of cyclular stuff I would like everyone in the other thread to decide now

Who would you rather lim today?

Titus
Brian
Or
Neither, both too townie.

I want answers someone beam me over.

[Titus]

I can cosign Bell's characterization of his scum play