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[Andresvmb]

VOTE: nopoint

I'm back.

Let's actually do this
VOTE: not maf

And if you don't wanna, tell me why not.

i like Nopointactingup post 548, I aint going to be voting there at all today.
the two votes I have quotes above just look meh at the moment, but likely more important later in the game and their...direction is probably going to be telling for someone.

This is the post I keep going back to.

Yeah, I sucked this whole game to be honest. I defended Scum consistently and now I look like crap for it (I would argue I was setup but whatever it’s not going to do me any good). I did vote nopoint before all the claims. That’s the only defense I can muster. And defended Flavor which should maybe get me some brownie points?

[Andresvmb]

sorry fuzzy
andres told me to I take no responsibility

...why are you listening to andres?

Yeah... sad but true.

[Noraa]

Noraa where are you looking besides andres and why are you so convinced?

Is it really just because of my influence

yeah basically.

[Andresvmb]

I moved Johnny aggressively because I think I was wrong there. Johnny is being passive. But they have consistently been questioning shellyc/Noraa. When I asked for a solve for example, they had Hank/Shellyc. They clearly have some ability to Neighborize. I don’t think both Johnny/nopoint are Scum. I think that would be strange.

I’m having a real hard time reading nopoint. Discrediting Flavor’s Claim was a bad look, and even more so now that plus is claiming Vig. But there’s something off about there being so much agreement about nopoint being the execution. Either there’s a lot of bussing, or the Scum are getting away with something here.

I also don’t think I was that bad. I mean this makes some sense.

[unwnd]

While I again appreciate the humbling I would prefer if you told me what your next options would be

Andres you too, being wrong to me doesn't determine much because there's still plenty of game to get it right. Do you agree with me that there's likely scum on Nopoint's wagon?

[Noraa]

and now I look like crap for it

this is something I say as scum a lot. I find that as town, I never blame myself or ever think of myself as scummy(unless I like big time fucked up)

[Noraa]

While I again appreciate the humbling I would prefer if you told me what your next options would be

Andres you too, being wrong to me doesn't determine much because there's still plenty of game to get it right. Do you agree with me that there's likely scum on Nopoint's wagon?

I don't really have any opinions. I suck at sorting and it really hasn't gotten better. if I look too close, I'll end up thinking everyone is scum. currently I'm chilling at the medium effort level and trying to sort but its hard.

[Noraa]

Ngl this defeatist "I know I've been bad this game but y'all should let me get a clean slate" thing is really bad. I hate it as it reminds me tooooo much of scum!me

[unwnd]

Start with your townreads then? If looking scum for scum doesn't suit you then inverse it, I actually do this a lot myself to create a PoE

[Andresvmb]

I actually think noraa might be scum at this point
dunn, not mafia, insano, me, FL are all looking pretty town
that leaves andres and noraa.

Insanoflex was tying me to nopoint before the flip. I wouldn’t think Insanoflex is Town, because that looked funky to me. It would be different if you were arguing all that today, I could see that. But doing it before the flip tells me that the strategy was to tie Town to a Scum being sacrificed. I mean c’mon the Scum definitely bussed there. There’s no way a Scum gets executed D2 (which is really an extended D1 here) without Scum playing some role or seeing no other choice. But whatever Insano could very well be Town and I could be wrong I’m not trusting myself too much after all that.

[Andresvmb]

and now I look like crap for it

this is something I say as scum a lot. I find that as town, I never blame myself or ever think of myself as scummy(unless I like big time fucked up)

What you do as Scum has no bearing and how I play as Town or Scum. Not sure why you think that’s relevant.

[Andresvmb]

^on how*

[Noraa]

Start with your townreads then? If looking scum for scum doesn't suit you then inverse it, I actually do this a lot myself to create a PoE

inverse is hard too.
I think plus is town but that's 100% mech.
I don't even believe that strongly in Dunn town with his literal 5 posts or something.
NM is super underwhelming this game and so I'm just like ... uh.
Im not a big fan of flavor and I honestly feel like he could be scum gassing me up.
The problem is that I think everyone here that's not mechanically cleared could be scum and I fail to see anything that I even remotely am willing to clear for long periods of time because literally like ten seconds later they call me scum and I'm like "bitch wtf"

[Noraa]

and now I look like crap for it

this is something I say as scum a lot. I find that as town, I never blame myself or ever think of myself as scummy(unless I like big time fucked up)

What you do as Scum has no bearing and how I play as Town or Scum. Not sure why you think that’s relevant.

bc I don't see why town does this type of play ever.

[Andresvmb]

While I again appreciate the humbling I would prefer if you told me what your next options would be

Andres you too, being wrong to me doesn't determine much because there's still plenty of game to get it right. Do you agree with me that there's likely scum on Nopoint's wagon?

Yes absolutely. No question about it. There was too little resistance outside of my posting, and I wasn’t really defending nopoint that hard.

[Andresvmb]

and now I look like crap for it

this is something I say as scum a lot. I find that as town, I never blame myself or ever think of myself as scummy(unless I like big time fucked up)

What you do as Scum has no bearing and how I play as Town or Scum. Not sure why you think that’s relevant.

bc I don't see why town does this type of play ever.

Uhm, what? You’ve never seen a player act defeated after being horribly wrong? Are you serious?

[Noraa]

I struggle with sorting. it either comes in a huge dump of confbiasing and I tunnel three different townies or I just don't have reads. Generally that's how my games are with occasional soul reads thrown in.

[Andresvmb]

Actually Flavor might have been right I don’t know why I’m defending the shellyc/Noraa slot when they’re acting like this game is unsolvable and everybody not mechanically cleared is Scum. Like that’s ridiculous.

[Noraa]

Uhm, what? You’ve never seen a player act defeated after being horribly wrong? Are you serious?

it looks different. town doesn't go "ik I look shit here but believe me"
town goes "Sorry about that guys" and that's generally where it ends.

[Noraa]

Actually Flavor might have been right I don’t know why I’m defending the shellyc/Noraa slot when they’re acting like this game is unsolvable and everybody not mechanically cleared is Scum. Like that’s ridiculous.

faking reads is not difficult. if I wanted to whip out a fake readslist it'd take me two minutes. explaining that I don't have any reads and calling everyone scummy results in hours of extra work.

[unwnd]

Start with your townreads then? If looking scum for scum doesn't suit you then inverse it, I actually do this a lot myself to create a PoE

inverse is hard too.
I think plus is town but that's 100% mech.
I don't even believe that strongly in Dunn town with his literal 5 posts or something.
NM is super underwhelming this game and so I'm just like ... uh.
Im not a big fan of flavor and I honestly feel like he could be scum gassing me up.
The problem is that I think everyone here that's not mechanically cleared could be scum and I fail to see anything that I even remotely am willing to clear for long periods of time because literally like ten seconds later they call me scum and I'm like "bitch wtf"

From what I understand you think I'm town for the read and then maybe like Insano? Is that correct?

[Andresvmb]

Uhm, what? You’ve never seen a player act defeated after being horribly wrong? Are you serious?

it looks different. town doesn't go "ik I look shit here but believe me"
town goes "Sorry about that guys" and that's generally where it ends.

You’re projecting how you act with how you think every Town should act. It’s bizarre. Town act how they act and we all have different personalities. My posts going back aren’t just bad, it’s embarrassing. I’m consistently defending Scum and digging a hole for myself. The only positive is that I never actually had nopoint as Town, but the posting gets worse the closer we get to executing nopoint. So yeah, again, I don’t know why you think all Town should act the same.

[Noraa]

why would you defend someone that's not a TR to begin with?

[Andresvmb]

why would you defend someone that's not a TR to begin with?

You’re not serious, right? Unwnd LITERALLY did this at the beginning of D1. There’s multiple reasons why you would do that.

[Noraa]

From what I understand you think I'm town for the read and then maybe like Insano? Is that correct?

I think ur town bc u have a specific solve and u remind me of cakes large normal.
but then I ISO'ed u earlier today and the way nopo just disappeared outta ur solve made me freak out and question all my sorting abilities.

Don't have a read on Insano.