In post 1468, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was
absolutely factually untrue
?
It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...
This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier
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In post 675, lilith2013 wrote:
That’s why I asked him that question. I also couldn’t find posts explaining a scumread on gamma so like why was he voting gamma over noraa at that point?
Was this about VP? Because VP definitely put out a lot of stuff on me, though I can also see why you feel this way based on a post I'm working on covering whether people are looking for scummy behaviors or scum motivation, and VP trends hard towards the former.
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Report cards for all current players' usage of scummy vs. scum motivation regarding pushes (with percentage ratings of ctrl-f hits on the word "scummy" vs. "scum", which is part of how I'm evaluating for this):
VP Baltar: F, he constantly calls stuff scummy while not throwing out real scum motivation for stuff practically ever (21.7%)
PookyTheMagicalBear: A, there's a demerit for his cheer of a scummy player ending up as scum, but that's not really enough to seriously mar the fact he genuinely seems interested in the motivations for things. (10.5%)
notscience: A+, stellar handling by him imo, his only personal talk about "scummy" posting was to state scum do less things that seem surface-level scummy than town, which I think is true myself and passes my test with flying colors. (7.5%)
SirCakez: D-, he's not as flagrant as VP but he does still do a lot of calling stuff scummy without calling out real scum motivation. Special mention to never actually calling Noraa scummy until just now. The best I can find on a skim was Cakez saying he'd be okay yeeting Noraa if she continued being anti-town. That doesn't really affect the grade, it's just a criticism I felt like bringing up rn. (17.2%)
xRECKONERx: B+, he has some points of concern but he mostly seems interested in finding actual scum motivation. (21.9%)
The Bulge: B, while his mention ratio is concerning when scanning his actual content it does come out as looking for scum motivation for the most part. (23.1%)
Untrod Tripod: C+, early on he does a good bit of the "calling stuff scummy without giving scum motivation for it" but he seems generally on the right track on this topic, though he's also been a thorn in my side when I've tried to voice my concerns previously. (22.2%)
lilith2013: C, she's not really good or bad, though I think what contributes to that is her lack of presence so far. (27.1%)
Starbuck: C-, seems pretty middle-of-the-road but I have some significant issues where she calls stuff scum without giving reasons for it. It's not a big thing I see from her though. (16.7%)
based on this + general noticings before and during this exercise, I think the remaining team is Cakez/VP/Starbuck rn
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
I mean my read on gamma and you never really wavered so I don’t really get trying to pocket me? Maybe hope i effort and try to argue the meta is trash down with a meta read they’ll just toss aside?
number of times "scummy" appeared to a ctrl-f search divided by number of times "scum" appeared to a ctrl-f search. Not exactly representative of anything in particular but a good tangible baseline for people to see. Let's people compare notes with a hard figure as well, if they care to. I somewhat anticipate someone will look me over as well, and if they're coming at it with a similar mind I welcome it.
one thing that probably inflated numbers universally was quoted posts featuring those words
as for notscience ranking better it's because he's explicitly looking for scum motivation while with Pooky it was an implicit thing I had to sniff out to a degree.
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
In post 1468, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was
absolutely factually untrue
?
It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...
This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier
But his push just felt like there was no energy behind it. It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you.
I said Noraa was scummy superficially I;e her reactions were bad yeah but if you actually know her it's not
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
In post 1468, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was
absolutely factually untrue
?
It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...
This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier
But his push just felt like there was no energy behind it. It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you.
I said Noraa was scummy superficially I;e her reactions were bad yeah but if you actually know her it's not
But you got super up-in-arms anytime you were accused of having FoSed her
That contrasts real badly with your recent commentary
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
In post 1468, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like if you genuinely cared to sort me there you should have been able to tell AGar was trying to mis-exe me vs. trying to bus me
didn't you also assert AGar was calling Noraa scummy, something which was
absolutely factually untrue
?
It didn't seem like he actually wanted you elimmed at all day one
Noraa was scummy...
This is just plain wrong. I want you to read some the post I quoted from AGar and tell me that doesn't look like he legitimately wants me limmed.
And that's fucking rich from you given you denied Noraa's scumminess earlier
But his push just felt like there was no energy behind it. It didn't feel like he really cared who died between Noraa and you.
I said Noraa was scummy superficially I;e her reactions were bad yeah but if you actually know her it's not
But you got super up-in-arms anytime you were accused of having FoSed her
That contrasts real badly with your recent commentary
how? it's exactly what I've been saying all game
I think AGar was calling Noraa scummy without actually pushing her
Meanwhile I thought Noraa was acting scummy but was town (and said this in thread)
Not the same thing
my point is that even though he claimed noraa was townie and gamma was scummy it seemed like he'd let Noraa die just as easily
which makes the conviction behind the Gamma push seem fake
In post 1494, SirCakez wrote:how? it's exactly what I've been saying all game
I think AGar was calling Noraa scummy without actually pushing her
Meanwhile I thought Noraa was acting scummy but was town (and said this in thread)
Not the same thing
Oh-fucking-really? Tell me how your play differs from AGar’s in any significant capacity there
AGar was TOWNREADING Noraa. With that in mind your play looks remarkably similar. Stop trying to gaslight me.
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
In post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo
It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.
Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.
In post 909, VP Baltar wrote:My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.
Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.
Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.
Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__
I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.
because I actually defended Noraa while Agar just kind of sat there
In post 1494, SirCakez wrote:my point is that even though he claimed noraa was townie and gamma was scummy it seemed like he'd let Noraa die just as easily
which makes the conviction behind the Gamma push seem fake
yes but why would that imply Gamma = Scum?
like if Noraa/Gamma were both town, would Agar want to have his hands on the wagon that gets elimmed or just be like hands off, Noraa dies, he gets to say he wasn't wrong?
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
-Norwee
"Please refrain from diverting our sleuths out there Pooky."
~Maple
In post 1494, SirCakez wrote:my point is that even though he claimed noraa was townie and gamma was scummy it seemed like he'd let Noraa die just as easily
which makes the conviction behind the Gamma push seem fake
yes but why would that imply Gamma = Scum?
like if Noraa/Gamma were both town, would Agar want to have his hands on the wagon that gets elimmed or just be like hands off, Noraa dies, he gets to say he wasn't wrong?
the latter is what i thought he wanted and its what he did
Gamma was his placeholder push in the meantime that he never really tried to ensure went through instead of Noraa
