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[Noraa]

From what I understand you think I'm town for the read and then maybe like Insano? Is that correct?

I think ur town bc u have a specific solve and u remind me of cakes large normal.
but then I ISO'ed u earlier today and the way nopo just disappeared outta ur solve made me freak out and question all my sorting abilities.

Don't have a read on Insano.

[Andresvmb]

I might have had a stronger sense that someone was Scum, or think that a different course of action is more likely to result in a Town victory. This isn’t like black and white.

[Noraa]

I might have had a stronger sense that someone was Scum, or think that a different course of action is more likely to result in a Town victory. This isn’t like black and white.

ur pretty defensive.

[Andresvmb]

I might have had a stronger sense that someone was Scum, or think that a different course of action is more likely to result in a Town victory. This isn’t like black and white.

ur pretty defensive.

I’m not defensive. I feel some shame in my level of play this game and want to make sure we don’t make another mistake.

What I see that you’re doing is Scummy though. You’re interpreting all of my responses in the worst possible way.

[Noraa]

OMGUS

[Andresvmb]

I don't necessarily blame you for misreading him, Noraa, because he didn't do anything, you just have to learn that sometimes people not doing much doesn't make him scum. The way he outed was +town though.


...the mafia killed

johnny

?? The literal only reason I could see for that is that one of the claimed PRs is a fakeclaiming goon, or one of the unclaimed players is a mafia PR who doesn't want to claim a PR. Even if I thought he was unlikely scum with nopoint based on their interactions, killing him over a conftown role is

bizarre

.

Frankly this is on point.

Alright my POE is {Insano, shellyc/Noraa, geraintm}. I would exclude unwnd I think nopoint and unwnd don’t make sense as a Team. Mind you, I could be wrong. I also think Insano has good reasons to doubt me and maybe I’m just being self-conscious.

[Andresvmb]

OMGUS

Just so you know, OMGUS isn’t a defense for anything. And it’s not even alignment indicative.

[Noraa]

This seems like a good vote

VOTE: Andresvmb

[Andresvmb]

Andres is the only voice of reason in this game. Most of FL's argument is predicated on the fact that he's town and therefore not really reliable. I also don't trust any of his reads, unwd and me are both town.

Amazing stuff

I wouldn’t let a Partner btw tie themselves so obviously to me. It would be kind of stupid. But whatever I am not going to spend too much time with stuff like this.

[Andresvmb]

@plus, when I flip Town, and I will, shoot Noraa. Flavor was right. And I’m right about this one.

[Noraa]

this is some good flailing :O

[Noraa]

its making me reconsider a tiny tiny bit

[Andresvmb]

I’m not flailing. And your play is sad. You have stopped trying to find Scum and are doing your best to try and bury me. Maybe you’ll get away with it and I’ll be executed. But if you’re not shot you should be executed tomorrow.

[unwnd]

From what I understand you think I'm town for the read and then maybe like Insano? Is that correct?

I think ur town bc u have a specific solve and u remind me of cakes large normal.

but then I ISO'ed u earlier today and the way nopo just disappeared outta ur solve made me freak out and question all my sorting abilities.

Don't have a read on Insano.

I was pretty much deflated in regards to the responses given when I was trying to sort him early D1, and then the game flatlined literally. I don't believe in the 3/3 herosolve nature and I don't really think you should either, it's just added stress and a false perception to overly exceed. Gamestates shouldn't be at the enjoyment of yourself, most often my reads are based on priority. I would like you to sort in that same fashion and I'll try to explain what I mean if you're willing to read it

[Andresvmb]

oh actually uwnd could be scum too
I think we have a lot of clears at least now

Unless the plan was to distance from the beginning, I can’t see how nopoint/unwnd makes sense as a Team. And I think unwnd was actually genuinely lost for stretches and trying to figure stuff out. Yeah I’ve been wrong a lot but I really don’t see how unwnd makes sense as part of the Team.

[Dunnstral]

For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.

OK, so it's confirmed that you're a power role. I'm leaning town then

[Andresvmb]

I was pretty sure Johnny was town after seeing the scum watcher flip

For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.

Yeah... okay Insano you’re making a lot of sense actually.

Alright Insano is probably Town, and I’m just bad haha for what it’s worth.

[Dunnstral]

Do you agree with me that there's likely scum on Nopoint's wagon?

I do

Yesterday I argued that it would be better to shoot nopoint instead of eliminating them

The idea behind that was that they were claiming watcher enabler, and even if mafia had a watcher, it was functionally useless (since the town all claimed)

But we bulldozed an elim on them anyway. it worked out in the end, but I don't think it was optimal play, and I don't think scum cared about anything but looking good

[Dunnstral]

I don't even believe that strongly in Dunn town with his literal 5 posts or something.
NM is super underwhelming this game and so I'm just like ... uh.

78 actually

Also this setup isn't balanced for town power wise if I'm not town

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Noraa

I’m not so sure about geraintm - I think the play there has been shocking, and the post I quoted is a bit of a red flag. But the way Noraa has decided to pile on me today is too obvious for me not to call it out. I do think it might be valuable to maybe force this 1v1 to some extent only to make it more obvious for the future.

[Dunnstral]

After I saw the flip yesterday and examined during the night I was thinking Geraintm was likely to be scum

[Andresvmb]

Also, if Noraa is Scum, Flavor is always Town. Just to make it more obvious. I think shellyc went for the pocket attempt there, as well as with me to a lesser extent. I bought it until the beginning of D2, and shellyc’s exit from the game confused me for a bit. I think Noraa as part of any solve makes sense.

[Noraa]

if you're willing to read it

yes pls my town play is shit. pls help.

[Andresvmb]

After I saw the flip yesterday and examined during the night I was thinking Geraintm was likely to be scum

Well good we agree about that.

Also, just so you know, I would have definitely pushed to execute a player that was Confirmed Town. Like you or plus would most likely be dead if I was Scum. It narrows the pool too much not to have you guys NK’ed. So that I don’t understand. That’s also why I think Insano is Town - I think the surprise at the choice of NK is justified.

[Noraa]

But the way Noraa has decided to pile on me today

is it a problem? scum!me doesn't pile on like this ever.