Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Gimli son of Glóin]

<ahsoka, raya, horsewoman, clidd> is my townpile atm

unsure pile is NM and his arch nemesis radja

dkkoba and lostego are both scum

this is where I'm at and feeling very good about it too

[DkKoba]

cmon gimli how is lostego and I scum.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

silence scum

[DkKoba]

which Horsewoman posts makes u think she is town?

Spoiler: quote pile

Damn 6 pages ok i will read them..... Soon

Okay catchup starts now

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Please direct your concerns to the MS mods, don't bring this crap into game threads. Also I have no idea who votato is.

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

new user posts in thread for first time. absolutely shocking. i should have just used quantum time travel to post in a thread before having posted in it for the first time.

Like come on man, bring the game into the game, bring your paranoid crap into the admins DMs not here.

Vote count 1.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia, Raya36

RedFlavor [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [6]:

clidd, Horsewoman, Ahsoka, volxen, RedFlavor, Radja

game state

Doom Counter

is currently at

zero

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~ With

3

Mafia alive, the Town will be endgamed once they are brought down to

3

members.

Previously published lists:
~ none

mod notes

~ everyone has confirmed!

WAIT THERES 3 MAFIA???

NVM WE NEED TO USE LIST TOMORROW LOL

#townslip gang

I mean obviously this is forced and ridiculous (doing actual game-related catchup now)

VOTE: dkkoba

the townslipping mention bothers me a bit.

LIST****
Sorry am excited someone made the mistake to shade me for that comment... was a trap i laid for scum

wow clever trap 2000/10

For the record I would have done exactly what radja did, vote for you on page 2. So this hopefully doesn't go anywhere. Sigh.

radja and ahsoka I think are town.

dkkoba I think is scum.

those are reads.

VOTE: dkkoba

wow dkkoba has 34 posts and most of them are scummy. I can't wait to have the thread buried by scum!dkkoba and us never being able to eliminate it cause he is so loud.

This, however, is a relatively lazy read from Gimli. Just finished a game with him (my first game onsite so don't expect any other meta from me) where he was scum and he was universally townread and really competent. So he's someone I want to have my eye on throughout this one.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

This is the correct attitude to have I think about the game early on. I'm impressed that you're willing to articulate it in that way.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

you're lockscum

Couldn't disagree more.

i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

Very uncool thought process. Like this is an incredibly overt, blatant attempt at diverting pressure in the game. In this game where there's 3 scum which means you need 5/6 townies to eliminate anyone, it might be more productive for scum to be more blatant in trying to defend their allies.

Back from doing Christmassy things

Anyway, notes:

DkKoba's reaction seems alright. I'm fine to back off from now. A bad play doesn't necessarily make it a scum play. In fact, DkKoba's follow up scumhunting of Redflavor for knowing the setup is equally bad.

Gimli seems alright, but might just be good scum.

Not going to bother sorting Not_Mafia. Wildcard as either alignment, if playstyle hasn't changed. Interesting question though: Not_Mafia, have you played with me before? I remember mostly modding games you were in.

Raya and clidd's posts are pretty good.

Ahsoka is unreadable for me at this point. clidd's attempt to get Ahsoka involved seems good though.

I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Reads:

Townpool: DkKoba, clidd, Raya
Scumpool:
idkpool: volxen, Not_Mafia, Gimli, Horsewoman, Ahsoka
Pool of execution: Horsewoman, Not_Mafia, Gimli

VOTE: Ahsoka

This seems like a pretty good wagon to be on.

Okay this reads list is so bad I'm joining this wagon

VOTE: Radja.

I'm caught up, it was super easy and fast because most of the 12 pages was dkkoba spewing nonsense. Although I don't mind making short multiposts, I think posting as much as koba is is kind of anti-town (at least on mafiascum, where games are soooooooo slow), so I would advise koba to cut that aspect out of his playstyle/this game.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him. Koba has made a lot of posts I disagree with and posts like 223 really rub me the wrong way. Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game. I'm kind of biased against koba because he's accused me (without evidence) of being an alt of a guy who was apparently banned for sexual harassment, and that's a really fucking uncool thing to do. So I've got personal animus there. Post 217 from clidd I really dislike, the thought process of 'I agree with him so he's town' is itself, really artificial. I liked ahsoka's posting a reasonable amount.

Also the reason I haven't been active is because I think this setup is unbalanced as hell towards scum which makes me apathetic, and also it's goddamn Christmas.

i think its like funny cause like i feel like i care less about being townread as mafia lol.

but really its not alignment indicative for me to be defensive about every scumread on me. i dont like being scumread, even though it helps me be read.

Same, I hate getting MLd more than I hate getting correctly eliminated. If I'm scum and you guys get me, good job. If I'm town and you guys get me, I feel more like it's my fault.

thread needs more horsewoman.

I literally have almost nothing to say, this day 1 has been really weird and I'm kind of checked out. Dkkoba's hyperposting is dominating everything and I can't even read them because Im biased against them.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

I bet all three of these are town that seems eminently possible. If there's a scum in there it's radja.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

[DkKoba]

when does the lolcatting begin?

[Not_Mafia]

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

[DkKoba]

gimli retreated to scum PT

[DkKoba]

if my hunch is correct, within their next 3 posts they will scumslip and I will be able to fully case him. (:

[DkKoba]

my energy rn

[Horsewoman]

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

[Horsewoman]

Hmmm being a gifposter doesnt suit me

[Horsewoman]

Dk, on an ethical level of play, would you act unresolvable energetically and self-assertively, not allowing the question of the AI ​​character of your slot as scum?

Asking in the hypothetical sphere, of course.

judge for yourself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84723
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84805

yes and no.

when I'm scum I use the same strategy as town to get townread, because its easy, because people oftentimes will latch onto my NAI mannerisms and I can easily debunk them.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83486

heres an example of me getting caught for the ~right~ reasons by varsoon -> my early reads were completely illogical and bad (was my first scumgame that wasn't avalon maf which wasnt really a maf game lol)

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

so basically ur saying "uhhhhhhhhh this is POSSIBLE SO IT HAS TO BE TRUUUUUU"

I'm saying that close buddying up in this game is more likely to be scummy in this game than other games. You and N_M have closely buddied up, which in the context of this game, is scummy behaviour. Please don't immaturely attempt to own me.

[Horsewoman]

Horsewoman, only the most mature of owns

[Horsewoman]

Hullo! I don't have much time this morning so let's see.

if im reading your posts wrong, your read on horsewoman is prior experience exclusively no?

How would that be a read? If the entirety of my thoughts on horsewoman isn't based off this game, then there isn't a read. I'm townreading things she did in this game of course.

(maybe I need coffee and these posts will suck, we'll see)

lostego's posts are really scummy. I might be moving onto something definite here.

what should be asked is if the consensus aligns with town being on the right track or not.

OK this was ignored by about 3-4 people so i think scum is not interested in this wagon at all which makes it officially bad. when you have a near-consensus the best thing for scum to do is either insinuate that it's the right move or instill a sense of disbelief (if its wrong) for towncred. i am no longer supporting radja

Like this is so farfetched I'm not sure it can be a real thought. radja is far from being a consensus anything + this is not how you're supposed to scumhunt.

'these reads were never set in stone'. we all know that, so why the defensiveness? I don't think I'll make myself very clear now or case lostego for the right reasons but I get a very strong sense that his posts come from scum as there is no effort to solve and all of his opinions lack nuance.

Lostego is making me rethink my read on Volxen, I need to go back and reevaluate what I was seeing on him.

your current stance on lostego is very important so I hope you did or will reevaluate soon.

COFFEE TELL COFFEE TELL COFFEE TELL

VOTE: gimli

TRUST ME ON THIS LOL THIS MANS JUST HARD SCUMTOLD

God your posting style and content is so bad. Apart from the post where you accused me of essentially being a cheater, liar and sex harasser for no reason, I also dislike everything else you post. Along with general apathy of other players and the scumsidedness of the setup, it is seriously sapping my ability to care about this game.

[Horsewoman]

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

I ISO'd her again yesterday and I came out of it with an equally strong impression that she is town. And yes it'd be so much easier if she was actually playing the game but I don't think it's scummy that she isn't. I don't think this game presents a challenge for scum to come and post.

I'm not entirely sure you're not attempting to pocket me here. Have to remain alert to this possibility.

[clidd]

Hum.

Well, I have a problem. I did a reread on my impression on Volxen three times, reevaluated it, and I keep coming to the conclusion that he is more towny than null or scum. But this is not matching my impression of Lostego.

[clidd]

And I find it very difficult for Gimli to be scum, because I really liked the descriptions he attributed to the posts he engaged with me and reflected me very genuinely as he is trying to evaluate me.

If you're seeing him as scum, Dk, you have to slap me in the face (metaphorically) and show me why he's scum to you.

[DkKoba]

And I find it very difficult for Gimli to be scum, because I really liked the descriptions he attributed to the posts he engaged with me and reflected me very genuinely as he is trying to evaluate me.

If you're seeing him as scum, Dk, you have to slap me in the face (metaphorically) and show me why he's scum to you.

he's either going to dodge the elephant in the room, or he's going to scumslip. its my prediction.

consider: if you're town then he's able to case you accurately and genuinely because well, you ARE town. it's something that exists. (even though uh well. we'll see once gimli decides to pop his head out of the scum PT)

[DkKoba]

Hullo! I don't have much time this morning so let's see.

if im reading your posts wrong, your read on horsewoman is prior experience exclusively no?

How would that be a read? If the entirety of my thoughts on horsewoman isn't based off this game, then there isn't a read. I'm townreading things she did in this game of course.

(maybe I need coffee and these posts will suck, we'll see)

lostego's posts are really scummy. I might be moving onto something definite here.

what should be asked is if the consensus aligns with town being on the right track or not.

OK this was ignored by about 3-4 people so i think scum is not interested in this wagon at all which makes it officially bad. when you have a near-consensus the best thing for scum to do is either insinuate that it's the right move or instill a sense of disbelief (if its wrong) for towncred. i am no longer supporting radja

Like this is so farfetched I'm not sure it can be a real thought. radja is far from being a consensus anything + this is not how you're supposed to scumhunt.

'these reads were never set in stone'. we all know that, so why the defensiveness? I don't think I'll make myself very clear now or case lostego for the right reasons but I get a very strong sense that his posts come from scum as there is no effort to solve and all of his opinions lack nuance.

Lostego is making me rethink my read on Volxen, I need to go back and reevaluate what I was seeing on him.

your current stance on lostego is very important so I hope you did or will reevaluate soon.

COFFEE TELL COFFEE TELL COFFEE TELL

VOTE: gimli

TRUST ME ON THIS LOL THIS MANS JUST HARD SCUMTOLD

God your posting style and content is so bad. Apart from the post where you accused me of essentially being a cheater, liar and sex harasser for no reason, I also dislike everything else you post. Along with general apathy of other players and the scumsidedness of the setup, it is seriously sapping my ability to care about this game.

the way u joined this site was extremely suspicious. don't get snippy with me when I had exerted just paranoia. I'm not trying to keep this shit going within the thread, but when you see certain things it sets off red flags. Your over-defensiveness of it with the extra knowledge is weird however. Like... assuming you are new -> the conclusions you came to feel like someone else fed you info because I don't see you figuring all of that out on your own.

[clidd]

And I find it very difficult for Gimli to be scum, because I really liked the descriptions he attributed to the posts he engaged with me and reflected me very genuinely as he is trying to evaluate me.

If you're seeing him as scum, Dk, you have to slap me in the face (metaphorically) and show me why he's scum to you.

he's either going to dodge the elephant in the room, or he's going to scumslip. its my prediction.

consider: if you're town then he's able to case you accurately and genuinely because well, you ARE town. it's something that exists. (even though uh well. we'll see once gimli decides to pop his head out of the scum PT)

I'm thinking about how to answer that, because it's true in theory, you're right, scum can townread town genuinely because town is town. But .. I think that is not the case here. I don't know, I liked the way he approached the topic of town!me vs scum!me, his opinions seem to me to come from an uninformed perspective and he is constantly evaluating.

In fact, I think there is a certain cognitive load when a person is scum, something that influences the way they structure reads. I'm assuming that I would be able to detect some of those traits in his speeches if scum!gimli was positioning himself to have a townread on me.

And why pocket, if he can keep me in the null zone or push? unless scum!him saw that I'm weak to appeals, but even so, I would still be able to reassess if I was wrong.

I can give another look on all of his posts that make me feel like that, but I can't promise you that my opinion will change.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

I ISO'd her again yesterday and I came out of it with an equally strong impression that she is town. And yes it'd be so much easier if she was actually playing the game but I don't think it's scummy that she isn't. I don't think this game presents a challenge for scum to come and post.

I'm not entirely sure you're not attempting to pocket me here. Have to remain alert to this possibility.

if my solve is right you don't have to worry about me. I just really appreciate the angle you're coming from with lots of things, from your description of dkkoba's early posting to your evaluation on me (including this post which is just very unnecessary if you're scum from my POV cause I know I'm town and you have no reason to shade me). The more you post the townier I think you are.

if you're growing doubts over this, consider if scum!me needs to pocket you or if I pocketed anyone as scum in our last game together. do you think scum!me gives your minimal posting such a hard townread? unless me and all my buddies are floating outside POE, I don't think I could possibly do that. Consider who is pushing you instead and why. I know you're already there but paranoia can take over anyone.

[clidd]

Apart from the post where you accused me of essentially being a cheater, liar and sex harasser for no reason

I don't think it's related to the game or AI, but Dk never called you these things and it is not healthy for either party to comment on this topic.

If you suspect DK, that's fine, that's understandable, but don't try to put words that didn't come out of their mouth.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I missed something from clidd I need to answer but he posted so much since that I don't know where it is. It's something about radja emotional posting being towny or something to that effect.

[DkKoba]

which Horsewoman posts makes u think she is town?

Spoiler: quote pile

Damn 6 pages ok i will read them..... Soon

Okay catchup starts now

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Please direct your concerns to the MS mods, don't bring this crap into game threads. Also I have no idea who votato is.

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

new user posts in thread for first time. absolutely shocking. i should have just used quantum time travel to post in a thread before having posted in it for the first time.

Like come on man, bring the game into the game, bring your paranoid crap into the admins DMs not here.

Vote count 1.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia, Raya36

RedFlavor [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [6]:

clidd, Horsewoman, Ahsoka, volxen, RedFlavor, Radja

game state

Doom Counter

is currently at

zero

.
~ With

3

Mafia alive, the Town will be endgamed once they are brought down to

3

members.

Previously published lists:
~ none

mod notes

~ everyone has confirmed!

WAIT THERES 3 MAFIA???

NVM WE NEED TO USE LIST TOMORROW LOL

#townslip gang

I mean obviously this is forced and ridiculous (doing actual game-related catchup now)

VOTE: dkkoba

the townslipping mention bothers me a bit.

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Sorry am excited someone made the mistake to shade me for that comment... was a trap i laid for scum

wow clever trap 2000/10

For the record I would have done exactly what radja did, vote for you on page 2. So this hopefully doesn't go anywhere. Sigh.

radja and ahsoka I think are town.

dkkoba I think is scum.

those are reads.

VOTE: dkkoba

wow dkkoba has 34 posts and most of them are scummy. I can't wait to have the thread buried by scum!dkkoba and us never being able to eliminate it cause he is so loud.

This, however, is a relatively lazy read from Gimli. Just finished a game with him (my first game onsite so don't expect any other meta from me) where he was scum and he was universally townread and really competent. So he's someone I want to have my eye on throughout this one.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

This is the correct attitude to have I think about the game early on. I'm impressed that you're willing to articulate it in that way.

People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

you're lockscum

Couldn't disagree more.

i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

Very uncool thought process. Like this is an incredibly overt, blatant attempt at diverting pressure in the game. In this game where there's 3 scum which means you need 5/6 townies to eliminate anyone, it might be more productive for scum to be more blatant in trying to defend their allies.

Back from doing Christmassy things

Anyway, notes:

DkKoba's reaction seems alright. I'm fine to back off from now. A bad play doesn't necessarily make it a scum play. In fact, DkKoba's follow up scumhunting of Redflavor for knowing the setup is equally bad.

Gimli seems alright, but might just be good scum.

Not going to bother sorting Not_Mafia. Wildcard as either alignment, if playstyle hasn't changed. Interesting question though: Not_Mafia, have you played with me before? I remember mostly modding games you were in.

Raya and clidd's posts are pretty good.

Ahsoka is unreadable for me at this point. clidd's attempt to get Ahsoka involved seems good though.

I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Reads:

Townpool: DkKoba, clidd, Raya
Scumpool:
idkpool: volxen, Not_Mafia, Gimli, Horsewoman, Ahsoka
Pool of execution: Horsewoman, Not_Mafia, Gimli

VOTE: Ahsoka

This seems like a pretty good wagon to be on.

Okay this reads list is so bad I'm joining this wagon

VOTE: Radja.

I'm caught up, it was super easy and fast because most of the 12 pages was dkkoba spewing nonsense. Although I don't mind making short multiposts, I think posting as much as koba is is kind of anti-town (at least on mafiascum, where games are soooooooo slow), so I would advise koba to cut that aspect out of his playstyle/this game.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him. Koba has made a lot of posts I disagree with and posts like 223 really rub me the wrong way. Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game. I'm kind of biased against koba because he's accused me (without evidence) of being an alt of a guy who was apparently banned for sexual harassment, and that's a really fucking uncool thing to do. So I've got personal animus there. Post 217 from clidd I really dislike, the thought process of 'I agree with him so he's town' is itself, really artificial. I liked ahsoka's posting a reasonable amount.

Also the reason I haven't been active is because I think this setup is unbalanced as hell towards scum which makes me apathetic, and also it's goddamn Christmas.

i think its like funny cause like i feel like i care less about being townread as mafia lol.

but really its not alignment indicative for me to be defensive about every scumread on me. i dont like being scumread, even though it helps me be read.

Same, I hate getting MLd more than I hate getting correctly eliminated. If I'm scum and you guys get me, good job. If I'm town and you guys get me, I feel more like it's my fault.

thread needs more horsewoman.

I literally have almost nothing to say, this day 1 has been really weird and I'm kind of checked out. Dkkoba's hyperposting is dominating everything and I can't even read them because Im biased against them.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

I bet all three of these are town that seems eminently possible. If there's a scum in there it's radja.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

gimli chose to scumclaim and not address this i guess! ^^

[DkKoba]

anyways, wagon scum now, we go into 2 scum 6 town tomorrow (: